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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 25 2012 21:08 Mattchew wrote: there is no way anyone who doesn't know tunkeg's alignment would come to this conclusion stick with the zealos vote Mattchew - do you accept zelblade's real life excuse and what he's posted? How has his return altered your read? Zealos - if you weren't gonna lynch Hiro, then who? | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3575 Posts
On May 25 2012 21:17 marvellosity wrote: Mattchew - do you accept zelblade's real life excuse and what he's posted? How has his return altered your read? Zealos - if you weren't gonna lynch Hiro, then who? Probably Zelblade atm. He just doesn't to seem to have anything going for him. Even if his RL excuse is true, he's still been lurking like hell. I wanna hear what he has to say. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 25 2012 14:46 zelblade wrote: Another targert of intrest is Tunkeg. I already mentioned that I dont think that wanting to change one's meta is scummy, since players regardless of alignment might want to try out new styles of play. One point against him is that he didnt post that post before the game, but that is a minor factor to what I feel about his posting. He seems to emphasise that posting lists and reads gives "accountability", when in reality, it does nothing. How does knowing his reads, especially considering they are weak D1 reads which could easily be backpeddalled on, help town in anyway whatsoever? I have no idea what he means by accountability, considering townies can and will change their opinions overtime, and we do not need to know this. Notice how he also says that knowing his reads will help when someone is making a case on him. Wut? Why would a townie ever post something like that? Lets lynch Tunkeg tomorrow after we get rid of zealos. Before Tunkeg's recent... posts, I actually had a tentative town-read on him. Because he had ET marked as town originally only to make a case on him subsequently. This did not seem like a scum move to me. What do you think about this? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 25 2012 13:49 Ver wrote: Similarly, in most cases someone who appears so unbelievably guilty yet isn't giving up is almost always going to be a townie. I am officially right now a confused jubjub. Everything in my case in Zealos is true, and in many ways he has played terribly. But my confidence that he's scum is slipping away. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
Yeah, I wouldn't mind getting lynched at all. I think this game have taken the course as many games do, where everyone keep mouthing off about how everyone else is bad, stupid, fucking useless etc etc (I don't care if it is directed towards me or anyone else, for instance the way syllogism played in liars should be frowned upon be the entire community). This is an environment I don't want to play in. It annoys the fuck out of me that you guys aren't capable of playing this game through arguements, but have to resort to namecalling and domination techniques. It actually annoys me to such a degree that I can't read the thread properly, nor play the game properly, and start caring less and less about the game. If TL towns can't deal with badmouthing players ruining the townenvironment the scum will keep dominating. I have told Artonis to do as he please about it. I won't bate you into lynching me as long as you guys don't bate me into writing obvious "LYNCH ME!" stuff. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 25 2012 21:55 Tunkeg wrote: Allright got the warning. I will actually write some of what I would write if you guys lynched me. Hence my reply to WBG if I wanted a townie to get lynched. Yeah, I wouldn't mind getting lynched at all. I think this game have taken the course as many games do, where everyone keep mouthing off about how everyone else is bad, stupid, fucking useless etc etc (I don't care if it is directed towards me or anyone else, for instance the way syllogism played in liars should be frowned upon be the entire community). This is an environment I don't want to play in. It annoys the fuck out of me that you guys aren't capable of playing this game through arguements, but have to resort to namecalling and domination techniques. It actually annoys me to such a degree that I can't read the thread properly, nor play the game properly, and start caring less and less about the game. If TL towns can't deal with badmouthing players ruining the townenvironment the scum will keep dominating. I have told Artonis to do as he please about it. I won't bate you into lynching me as long as you guys don't bate me into writing obvious "LYNCH ME!" stuff. I'm going to defend both myself and others here. As far as I can see, there have been 3 main 'arguments' - Me/Zealos, VE/WBG, Me/Mattchew. 1. Me/Zealos - yes, we went at each other a bit. We never crossed a line though. And guess what? Totally of our own volition, we pulled the thread back into normality, and I got a read and case out of Zealos. Net outcome - productive, even if it took some spam preceding it. 2. VE/wbg. You should know these 2 regularly argue. Look at Liar as an obvious and recent example. This is what they do together. 3. Me/Matt. So we swore at each other which we should not, and then since it's been back to productive conversation. Tempers flare and arguments will be had, it is mafia. As far as I know, there is zero bad blood between us. Your attitude is also deeply hypocritical. Taken from your meta-change post: On May 21 2012 05:12 Tunkeg wrote: Many times it took up to much space, and some might even label it as disruptive. 2. I will control my temper. I will not be getting into any fights, I won’t be starting any and I will try not to get pulled into one. 3. I will try to post better analysis, and avoid insulting the ones I analyze. I can clarify, but I won’t argue with nitpickers. My biggest weakness is ... my temper. Freely admitting your posting in the past has been disruptive, temper driven, involved in fighting, argumentatitve, and again temper. And here you are ragequitting because people have argued. Wow. | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:11 Nova_Terra wrote: is it allowed to make the judgement that Tunkeg is town because artanis PM'ed him a warning? Why does that make sense? | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:16 Tunkeg wrote: "Fighting" and argueing isn't the same as being BM. And yeah I am easily teased into being BM. But there is a difference in being BM when you are pissed off, and being it for the hell of it. I don't support either, but the first is understandable. Where have people been BM for the hell of it? | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:17 Nova_Terra wrote: If he was mafia he wouldnt actually be giving up and host would know this Not true necessarily - e.g. Adam4167 in LI who was scum even said *after* the game had been abandoned that he'd kinda stopped playing because of the shit-storm. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
I still think N_T and Katina are most likely to flip scum. Katina, lurking Day 1 is almost viable townie strat, Day 1 and Day 2... Get constructive. ##Unvote ##Vote Katina | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
And yea LI was a great example. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:18 froggynoddy wrote: Well I'm not sure what to make of the Zealos vs Zelblade thing. The zealos lynch looks awfully similar to the Mouldy mislych, but I think Zealos seems scummier. I feel uncomfortable with the concept 'we should pick one of two' as it leaves the lynch even more open to scum control, in fact I'm going to go and check who said that as that seems like something hugely anti-town. Consolidating a lynch in the last 12 hours is one thing, but narrowing conversation on two players in first 24hours of the game is just plain awful for town. I still think N_T and Katina are most likely to flip scum. Katina, lurking Day 1 is almost viable townie strat, Day 1 and Day 2... Get constructive. ##Unvote ##Vote Katina How is limiting the lynch to 2 players a bad thing? You realise if everyone went voting for their "strongest" read, it causes the votes to most likely be spread out over a large amount of players, leading to scum being able to easily manipulate the lynch due to the probably low amount of votes required. Also I dont see where anyone said we have to pick one of the two. If you preferred to lynch someone else its on you to actually go and push the person yourself. Since you ignored Tunkeg, what are your thoughts on him? | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On May 25 2012 21:17 marvellosity wrote: Mattchew - do you accept zelblade's real life excuse and what he's posted? How has his return altered your read? he hasn't posted anything that made me ready to give him a green background but I don't really think he's the best lynch today also, that quote from ver isn't fitting for this situation.... noone is "someone who appears so unbelievably guilty" in this game, despite how strong you may believe your case and read on Zealos are. I mean look at all the counter examples, like acro from GoT who had a red check, from a confirmed (dead) DT. He went down swinging until his last moments (he tried so hard, it got him modkilled) | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Why you may ask? It all hinges on Katina. In LI, she was one of only two players who pegged Toad AND VE as scum. Great read. In Liar Mafia, she pretty much nailed all the mafia at some stage. In short, she has good reads. In this game, this leads to the following possibilities: 1. She is town and correct about Nova. 2. She is mafia pushing a fake case on Nova. Personally I feel Katina's presented case is fairly weak, relying on 'spam' as a central point, despite admitting to wbg it was not alignment indicative. This is why I am at the moment discounting 3. She is town and incorrect about Nova. I know this sounds paradoxical. I just feel that a town Katina would not both be incorrect and pushing a weak case. Personally I feel like option 2 is the most likely, in conjunction with her general apathy for the thread. I would like everyone to seriously think about this and give me their thoughts. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:28 Mattchew wrote: he hasn't posted anything that made me ready to give him a green background but I don't really think he's the best lynch today also, that quote from ver isn't fitting for this situation.... noone is "someone who appears so unbelievably guilty" in this game, despite how strong you may believe your case and read on Zealos are. I mean look at all the counter examples, like acro from GoT who had a red check, from a confirmed (dead) DT. He went down swinging until his last moments (he tried so hard, it got him modkilled) This is a good point, I will rethink | ||
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