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On March 02 2012 12:06 Pablols wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 11:54 gunman103 wrote: Sorry I haven't been able to post much.
#1 Tiystus- He was fine with randomly killing someone early on but then changes his mind later. Seems like one of his scum friends told him what to say. He also never seems to make a decision on anything. #2 Pablols- I think that he overreacted to Mementoss and accuses him with no real reason other than that he was accused by Mementoss. Also, he accuses trackdoor pretty early on in the game with no real evidence against him other than "he is trying too hard to prove his innocence without real proof" a weak argument imo.
Mementoss would probably be third simply because he left out a lot of Pablol's statement and left out crucial information. Seems like a scummy thing to do imo. You should never intentionally misquote someone, even though it probably was an accident, you never know. Just to clarify I accused mementoss because of the misquote issue, that's it. Other people have called me out but I have had no reason to suspect them and I didn't accuse them. For example, your post, there is no reason to suspect anything. But like I said, misquoting is dangerous play and shouldn't be taking lightly. Even if he isn't part of the mafia, in my opinion, he could be dangerous to the town. Regarding the trackdoor accusation I already took that back, "Regarding my first post, the 2 liner one, I must admit it was pretty bad. It's the first time I play mafia and I am still getting the hang of it. When I posted that I hadn't even finished reading the guide to mafia threads. I don't blame you guys because it does look suspicious. After getting a better understanding of how this works I retract that statement, I do not suspect Trackdoor." I read your post again and I was wrong. Sorry for the misinterpreting what you said. For all it's worth Tiystus is still #1 and mementoss is #2.
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I say we lynch OtoshimonoU or gunman103
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On March 02 2012 12:45 Sufficiency wrote: I say we lynch OtoshimonoU or gunman103 Can you at least give us a reason for wanting to lynch me and Oto?
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Going to sleep now. See you in some hours.
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Gonna go to sleep to. See you in like 14 hours or so (damn school).
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On March 02 2012 12:59 gunman103 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 12:45 Sufficiency wrote: I say we lynch OtoshimonoU or gunman103 Can you at least give us a reason for wanting to lynch me and Oto?
Can you read what I wrote before?
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On March 02 2012 10:36 Maverick32x wrote:Okay guys. This is ALL of my reads over the past day. Let me know what you think. If any is inaccurate let me know, but I broke it down into looking at each player's tendency to agree/disagree with someone else to see if there are any patterns of "allegiance" that I can spot. I also looked at behaviors that can be interpreted as either Mafia or Town. I obviously couldn't hit on everything, but these were the things that jumped out at me.. feel free to agree/disagree all you'd like. Lastly, I put in some miscellaneous information that I just thought was interesting or factual about a stance that the person had. I obviously didn't write stuff about myself, but if you'd like to create one for me, go ahead. 1.) gunman103 – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Dimx2 Disagrees with: Sufficiency. Mafia Behaviors: A kind of wishy-washy with his policy. Starts to fall to RL as a last resort if necessary. Though previously stated he wants to lynch for info, he now is considering a RL, but would prefer a ‘lurker’. Town Behaviors: Doesn’t want to lynch unless there is information to be gained. Repeats this information. Reinforces this idea a third time Misc: Against random lynching. Should only lynch for info. . 2.) Mementoss – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Maverickx2 Disagrees with: Trackd00r but takes it back. Sufficiency, OtoshimonUx3, Friedchicken, Pablols Mafia Behaviors: Possibly keeping attention off himself by focusing on others, Especially OtoshimonoU. Town Behaviors: Against Random Lynch- presents a well thought out argument. Continues to detail out his reasoning. Consistent with the people he disagrees with and the people he suspects. Misc: Claims himself as one of the most active. True?
3.) Rainmaker5 + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Dissagrees with: Mafia Behaviors: Willing to sac a townie. Responds very late with little substancex2 Town Behaviors: Misc: Wants to move onto a new topic since random lynch has been discussed to death. 4.) Pablols – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Disagrees with: Trakd00r-> takes it back(after being exonerated by him), lightly disagrees with Maverick, Mementossx4 Mafia Behaviors: Brings it back to the RL, despite everyone moving on from it. Rambles on a bit at this point. Town Behaviors: Decently argues for a move to lynch in looking at the long term perspective, willing to take a risk. Puts a lot of effort into pointing out that Mementoss if taking his words out of context. Wants to lynch for a purpose. Misc: Randomly accuses Mementoss seemingly because he is upset that he was accussed. A bit overaction. 5.) Tiystus – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Disagrees with: Mementoss Mafia Behaviors: Indecisive. Encouraging risky/chaotic behaviors.Still contradictory statements. Says Dim is town, but then also accuses him of possibly being mafia. Brings back the RL discussion (though he has been mia for awhile) Town Behaviors: Would rather go with a hunch than a RL, but feels a lynch is necessary or town will lose. Misc: all for random lynch- posts that he’s reluctant. Sticks with reluctance, but again is on the “we need to do something NOW train” Back tracks and now is saying RL is a last resort. Didn't answer numerous questions directed at him.
6.) DimmuKlok – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Trackd00r, Mementoss Disagress with Mafia Behaviors: First post indicates a strong desire to try to push for a lynch. Town Behaviors: Still thinks we could lynch a lurker to ‘flush out mafia’, but doesn’t want to randomly do it. Recognizes that we are talking circles about Random lynching or not and wants to change topics. Misc:wants to lynch on day 1. But wants to see active posters and seems to want to decide on someone. Against random lynching though.
7.) Sufficiency –. + Show Spoiler + Mafia Behaviors: Wants to RL- pushes this hard. Accusses without any evidence or reasoning. Town Behaviors: Agrees with: Disagrees with: Gunman, OtoshimonU
8.) friedchicken – + Show Spoiler + Mafia Behaviors: poor logic, wants to lynch no matter what. Flips kind of. Would be willing to lynch a lurker, not necessarily random. There could be only town that are lurking however, so this could be a setup. Town Behaviors:
9.) Maverick32x 10.) trackd00r – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Pablols Disagrees with: Sufficiency- then flips to say he is town. OtoshimonUx2 Mafia Behaviors: Seems eager in the initial post to try to get people to accuse others right away. Uses past game as evidence of his ability to hunt down mafia to try to set up innocence. Brings up that the activity is too low, but hasn’t posted much. Town Behaviors: Initial post is encouraging and pro-town. Continues this trend, wants to hear people talk. Doesn’t want to RL Misc:Seems positive about staying active. Focuses on wording as his evidence. 11.) OtoshimonoU- + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Disagrees with: Trakd00r and Dim Mafia Behaviors: Wishy-washy. Willing to along with everyone, seems to be trying to lie low. Town Behaviors: Recognizes the disadvantages of a first day lynch and feels its too hasty. Misc: Against first day lynching since town is at disadvantage- but will go along if everyone else will do it. Defends Trak’s usage of “accusing” and seems to support him. 12.) Beorn1 + Show Spoiler +Mafia Behaviors: Longest Lurker by far. First post has 0 content. Town Behaviors:
How long have you been playing mafia, Maverick32x?
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OtoshimonoU: don't you find me scummy? I did fos you without explaining much.
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Sufficiency, while you're here could you explain to me in more detail why you chose OtoshimonoU and gunman103?
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My thoughts regarding Mementoss and Pablols, I think we have a case of 2 townies accusing each other. Yes Mementoss did misquote Pablols but his posts thus far have given me a town vibe, and a misquote is no reason to lynch someone. Pablols doesn't really have a solid case on him since Mementoss's case was addressed by Pablols, and in my opinion truth except for accusation of Mementoss.
Normally I wouldn't be posting who I think is town, but I don't want to see the discussion of who to lynch on these two, since I think it's a waste of time at the moment.
It's past 4 in the morning here so I'm going to wait to post who I think we should lynch for in the morning. What I do want to post now is who is slipping underneath the radar... Rainmaker has posted twice so far. In his last post he said he had to head to class and that he would post his later on, which he never did. Beorn has only had one post thus far in which he agrees with the general consensus on random lynches.
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On March 02 2012 17:59 DimmuKlok wrote: Sufficiency, while you're here could you explain to me in more detail why you chose OtoshimonoU and gunman103?
gutty feelings.
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Edit about my above post: I forgot the word suspicions in "he would post his later on" . I'm really tired.
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On March 02 2012 20:18 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 17:59 DimmuKlok wrote: Sufficiency, while you're here could you explain to me in more detail why you chose OtoshimonoU and gunman103? gutty feelings. Fair enough... I was hoping it was something a little more elaborate, but ok.
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On March 02 2012 19:25 DimmuKlok wrote: My thoughts regarding Mementoss and Pablols, I think we have a case of 2 townies accusing each other. Yes Mementoss did misquote Pablols but his posts thus far have given me a town vibe, and a misquote is no reason to lynch someone. Pablols doesn't really have a solid case on him since Mementoss's case was addressed by Pablols, and in my opinion truth except for accusation of Mementoss.
Normally I wouldn't be posting who I think is town, but I don't want to see the discussion of who to lynch on these two, since I think it's a waste of time at the moment.
It's past 4 in the morning here so I'm going to wait to post who I think we should lynch for in the morning. What I do want to post now is who is slipping underneath the radar... Rainmaker has posted twice so far. In his last post he said he had to head to class and that he would post his later on, which he never did. Beorn has only had one post thus far in which he agrees with the general consensus on random lynches.
I'm actually starting to agree with you here. I have thought about it a bit after I left last night, and while Pablols early filter may have shifted him in the scummy direction. His recent filter behavior points otherwise. He has been actively posting, stating an opinion with evidence and logic/ quotes, not afraid to directly respond to someone's accusations or questions. He doesn't respond with 2 liners/ or blanket statements which hang on both sides of the fence. He also made some great points like the following: If it seems like they are taking control of the thread then post, and challenge them when you don't agree. We are all equal at this point and everyone's opinion is worth hearing.
Pablols, your off my list for now. There seem to be much better leads to be leaning towards. I will get into these people now.
OtoshimonoU - scummy behaviour from the start. As you can see in his early filter, and stated by me towards him in an earlier post. [On March 02 2012 00:11 Mementoss wrote: OtoshimonoU --> Stance: Initially against any sort of first day lynch, then tries to blend by saying he will follow the major if they want a random lynch. - His filter is filled with 1 liners, most that contribute nothing. His opinion follows the trend of the thread. First post is actually him asking opinions of others rather than stating his own. .
When I do pressure him to get a direct confrontation I get 1 liner contentless posts as well or posts that tend to try to avoid stating an opinion. He has the same attitude towards trackd00r.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 02 2012 05:41 OtoshimonoU wrote: FYI, no word in my sentence is in Bold. I also did say I needed to go to sleep and I had school. This is exactly what I meant when suspicion is already cast upon people that don't post on first days whether due to not knowing it had begun or whatever other reason (like me)
I'm supposed to post content over a random first day lynch? I said that in my defense because someone had attacked me for not posting overnight. I tend not to droll on and on about the same point over and over again unlike others.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, I see. So attracting attention to yourself is a good thing!
Recently however, OtoshimonU has been coming up with an opinion and trying to put a little more effort into his posts. He realizes he is number one on a couple peoples lists, and at least has been thought about by everyone as scum. He tries to get out of it the only way he can, by getting other people on his side. He sees the disagreement between me and pablols and decides to create a conspiracy theory to sway other people on his side/derail the lynch discussion.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 02 2012 11:04 OtoshimonoU wrote: Just a small opinion, Mr.Maverick and Mementoss are controlling the game and thoughts of the game in the Town's perspective. It's possible that they are using an aggressive method of mafia using long persuasive paragraphs. I read Maverick's post and feel he has absolute trust and certainty in Mementoss's accusations and posts. Maybe they just have a connection and my theory is wrong. It's true that they do have a connection and it does to me, seem very strong even if they might be just fellow towns that understand each other's logic. I don't feel the suspicion from neither lurkers nor the accused, they are just new and will not be able to write long constructive ideas without a single clue of evidence nor understanding the underlying message of people's posts. So what I see Mementoss has been giving pressure and Maverick is the back up. As scums they have nothing to gain by saying nothing and not gaining the control of the situation whenever. Those two have most likely the highest amount of posts that will swerve opinions over people. Also Maverick, you need to write something about your own behaviors in your own organization sheet or you just seem to avoid any fault in your own posts.
This seems like a last effort close to voting time to shift the attention in a quick swift way that requires no evidence or logic, but sounds like a good storyline statement so other people will get caught up in the excitement. He goes on to further agree with pablols some more.
As for the behind the sceners. Beorn and rainmaker. These guys scare me. This is why I tried to get a plan going to pressure some posts out of these guys. The thing I am most worried about is being wrong on 2/3 of my FoS and one of these guys being mafia. Since there are probably 7 different FoS floating around by different people with different opinions. These guys have no reason to post if there mafia. There safe as far as they're concerned.
Onto my next FoS.Sufficiency. Has been on mine and others FoS since the early game. His early game constisted of 6 1-liners. They go on to suggesting an RL hard, and FoS OtoshimonoU and gunman. His last quote before leaving for a good part of the mid game in day 1 is as follows.
On March 02 2012 12:45 Sufficiency wrote: I say we lynch OtoshimonoU or gunman103
Keep in mind, this is when random lynch was the main discussion. Most people had 3 posts maximum. And I think 4 -5 people were still lurkers at this moment. Very snap decision making, no reasoning. This is why I think he's suspicious. Trackd00r defends his sloppy play for being early game, noob mistakes. But sufficiency comes back in the late game (present) with the same types of posts. Sloppy, no evidence, no reasoning, 1 liners.
On March 02 2012 17:11 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 12:59 gunman103 wrote:On March 02 2012 12:45 Sufficiency wrote: I say we lynch OtoshimonoU or gunman103 Can you at least give us a reason for wanting to lynch me and Oto? Can you read what I wrote before?
Here is what he wrote before: + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2012 13:15 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:10 trackd00r wrote: Suffciency, If you are willing to random lynch anyone, which player it would be? I hardly see a point of RL someone later on this day because we already might have better reads in that moment. If you want to take this action, throw a name by now. I don't really like the idea though.
Going to bed now. See you in about 9 hours. I actually FoS gunman103 right now for suggesting no RL. On March 01 2012 13:17 Sufficiency wrote: I also FoS OtoshimonoU for being a compromiser.
These posts are ridiculous.
On March 02 2012 17:16 Sufficiency wrote: How long have you been playing mafia, Maverick32x?
Another great post regarding mavericks list. Does not give his opinion on it. Just asks a non relevant question. Trying to derail conversation that maverick is actually smurfing or something of the sort.
On March 02 2012 17:31 Sufficiency wrote: OtoshimonoU: don't you find me scummy? I did fos you without explaining much.
Trying to get OtoshimonoU to talk again bring the attention back on him, as the most popular suspect, or at least most approached.
And here is the king of explanations for FoS. The icing on the cake, he either is having a hard time making up lies and opinions, or would rather remain almost totally opinionless for no reason.
On March 02 2012 20:18 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 17:59 DimmuKlok wrote: Sufficiency, while you're here could you explain to me in more detail why you chose OtoshimonoU and gunman103? gutty feelings.
After going through his filter, I am 100% Sufficiency is one of the following: Scum, or the worst townie of all time. Either way he is a good option for lynch. Lynching him will in way hurt the town and there is a good chance he is scum.
Top FoS in order: Suffiency OtoshimonoU Lurker (Beorn or Rainmaker)
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^^Edit** Lynching him will in NO way hurt the town and there is a good chance he is scum.
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I'm back.
Ok, analyzing the situation right now, I think we have viable candidates for lynch this day.
OtoshimonoU: He made himself present some hours ago. Yet he didn't respond to any of his accusations. This can leave us with two options:
1) He is townie not putting effort to read the thread. Rather he skims through the big posts and doesn't care about the rest. 2) He is a scum trying to avoid any accusations and making quick agreements.
I think that option 2 is the most likely.
He completely ignored this post and this one.
I already gave my opinion about Oto.
Sufficiency: I have to admit that he didn't look suspicious to me before because of the way that he got attention, something that mafia hardly would do. But, he made a succession of awkward, one-liner posts (see mementoss post) that are confusing the hell out of me. I would accept that behavior for one day, but doing it twice already just looks wrong.
I don't understand why a player would play like that. I still do have the little hope that he is just a uninterested townie. It's a very tiny chance, but it is one. He is another good candidate. I don't think we might lose much by lynching him.
The player I would like to lynch today is OtoshimonoU. He gets my vote by now.
##Vote: OtoshimonoU (voting is done in the voting thread, but I'll post it here as well to make it public.
As for Tiystus, he promised that he would be back posting in three hours or so. He didn't.
Rainmaker promised something as well. Again, no posts.
I'll check the filters once again. There is a chance that I can change my vote.
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Probably the weirdest thing about sufficiency is that if you check his profile, he posts on average 4 times a day...and posts FREQUENTLY.... I'm not entirely sure who to vote for.. but I have class today from 6pm cst- 9pm cst... So I will have to come up with an answer rather quickly I suppose!!
Heading to work, I'll post more when I get there. Lurkers are really barely contributing also.... makes me wonder what is going on with them.
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trackd00r I agree with you in almost every way in the above post. However i'm still on the fence about OtoshimonoU and Sufficiency. The one thing that keeps me puzzled the most is Sufficiency's FoS on OtoshimonoU. They are both suspicious but this FoS makes it look like at least one of them is not scum. What would the reason of Sufficiency FoS a fellow mafia.
I guess the question is: Who has the most to gain from early FoS?
Mafia: Pros: Creates confusion, takes attention away from fellow mafia players. Cons: Creates disscussion between the town, makes posters more active. Could lead back to the person themself
Town: Pros: Creates disscussion between the town, makes posters more active Cons: Lack of evidence makes you look like mafia. Allows mafia players to lurk, as attention is shifted away.
Unless they were both mafia, and this was a trick. This seems the most unlikely however. As to make a move that blantantly obvious at the beginning of the game, bringing attention to yourself and the other person. As well as it would have been hard for them to communicate this idea with the mafia so early on in the game.
Overall, either lynch would be good. They both have possibilities for scum and are both bad townies. Before I commit to a vote, I still would like to hear the defense / opinions of some other posters. Will check back later after lunch.
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Ok, I'm between Sufficiency and Tiystus personally, but I'm willing to see everyone's point with OtoshimonU....
One thing that I was thinking about on my drive over to work is, "What information will we get if we lynch Sufficiency?"
My answer to that is "Not very much". He doesn't appear to be very involved with the game, so even his 'FoS's' aren't of THAT much use... That being said, he doesn't contribute much of anything to the game, and his tone is kind of destructive which I don't really want.
What if we lynch Oto? Well, if he's town we are going to have some issues- due to the ferocity that a lot of people have been targetting him. If he's Mafia: That will go a very long way in narrowing down our list of suspects...
Would still like to hear more before a decision!!! I'll post my vote at 4:00CST since I won't be around to vote after that.
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The lack of posting in this thread is really disturbing and bad for the town, espeically so close to a vote. Im still interested to hear Dim's lynch opinion. Also I would really like to hear from people such as friedchicken, tityus, rainmaker, gunman, and beorn. There opinion on the current lynch, and their opinion to people suspecting them of being scum (tityus)
@Maverick, I still don't see the read on Tiystus personally, but would lvoe to hear more from him. I consider him more of a lurker than anything. If we lynch Sufficiency or OtoshimonoU I think there is a damn good chance one of them is scum, and they are both pretty worthless (so far ) as town.
Don't forget OtoshimonoU not responding to you as well
On March 02 2012 12:04 Maverick32x wrote: Maverick, you might sound very strong in your arguments, but to me it already shows your strange behavior.
@Oto: I would really be interested to know what it is that you mean by that? Its strange that I'm forming logical arguments? I'm trying to accomplish a goal. If you want to punch holes in my reads, by all means go ahead, but just blanket statements to create doubt doesn't seem like its very helpful. I want to get discussions going based off these reads so we can go into Day 1 Lynch with some suspicions and the ability to make an informed decision (as I've stated numerous times)
Not only ignores you but ignores trackd00r.
Not only ignores you and trackd00rs question but also mine.
On March 02 2012 06:21 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 06:11 OtoshimonoU wrote:On March 02 2012 06:08 Mementoss wrote:On March 02 2012 05:58 OtoshimonoU wrote:On March 02 2012 05:50 Mementoss wrote:On March 02 2012 05:41 OtoshimonoU wrote:On March 02 2012 04:20 trackd00r wrote:Being very honest now, the activity in this game is too low. I can't get solid reads because there haven't any substantial situations to study here. The only exception is Sufficiency little pressure and FoS and that would be all. We need to keep up with the discussion. If not, this lynch will be a mess. About Sufficiency, I think he is town. No newbie mafia would try to catch up so much attention in that way. They'd rather stay more quiet and apparently contribute, which it's kinda working for them now. Beorn1 hasn't posted anything yet. The player I would worry right now is OtoshimonoU. He has been the least contributor (excluding beorn) so far. This is his only post with actual content. On March 01 2012 12:21 OtoshimonoU wrote: I don't like the idea of first day lynch. It's either hit or miss and towns are the disadvantage when it comes to number. 3/4 town 1/4 mafia. In the first day I doubt that many will even post, casting the suspicions on them already. Ok, I don't know if the bolded word is a scumslip or a newbie mistake. The second options is the most likely, but these details are the ones we should look for with the little information we have. FYI, no word in my sentence is in Bold. I also did say I needed to go to sleep and I had school. This is exactly what I meant when suspicion is already cast upon people that don't post on first days whether due to not knowing it had begun or whatever other reason (like me) Zero content at all in this above post. (He bolded that part to make a point) OtoshimonoU getting mad/defensive about the point and his suspicious activity. Blames the suspicion it on lack of posting in first days, yet he posted three times pretty early (before most). Still has no logical discussion on who to lynch this week. Scared of bringing more attention to himself or fellow scum?? I'm supposed to post content over a random first day lynch? I said that in my defense because someone had attacked me for not posting overnight. I tend not to droll on and on about the same point over and over again unlike others. He wasn't complaining about your inactivity, in fact, other than me your one of the most active. In fact he's complaining about your (Post) to (Meaningful Post). Right now that ratio is 6:1. You've had seven posts, only one in which discusses what the town should be doing/ has some sort of active strategic value for getting rid of scum. Here it is: On March 01 2012 12:21 OtoshimonoU wrote: I don't like the idea of first day lynch. It's either hit or miss and towns are the disadvantage when it comes to number. 3/4 town 1/4 mafia. In the first day I doubt that many will even post, casting the suspicions on them already. Stating how you are against a first day lynch. All other posts have been filler. Even this post here is suspicious as you try to draw attention away from yourself and towards someone who is a non-poster. After that post you either post something that has nothing to do with anything. Or post something that agrees with someone 1 or more people have said, trying to blend in with ideas. This is the reason you posts have 0 content. Cause you don't want to attract attention to yourself by having a unique opinion. Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, I see. So attracting attention to yourself is a good thing! I need to go eat supper now will be back later tonight, but let me leave you with this question that you will hopefully answer before my return. Who do you think is scum based on the current situations and clearly outline why using physiological reason /evidence and quotes. Maybe asking questions is the only way to get some sort of articulate posting out of you.
He's avoiding speaking anything controversial or giving an opinion on anything, he cannot function as a part of the town, and good chance he is acting this way as mafia.
Right now the lack of posting is really hurting us seeing different point of views, and to get more of a read on where some people stand. Both sufficiency and OtoshimonoU are good lynches imo, and I just want to make sure we get the majority to get one out and gain some information.
My vote right now is committed to [red]OtoshimonoU.[red]
Will come back to check on more posts. Open and willing to change my mind if a good point or debate comes up.
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