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Mig
United States4714 Posts
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On September 09 2011 07:55 Zona wrote: Please tell us why you think JeeJee is scummy. Yeah I looked back through his posts and there was nothing there. Literally. Almost no posts. That was my first thought on him because of his shitty random vote. After filtering him I see he's made about 2 posts with content after that though and neither of them are very scummy. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On September 09 2011 09:53 Mig wrote: Palmar never hard defends someone day1 as town. He knows as town you are working with very little information day1 so your reads are never going to be perfect. His certainty about iGrok's alignment is such a clear giveaway that he is scum. Tunneling is bad. Don't get yourself stuck in that mindset. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
Whatever, not gonna argue with scum. | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
Move your votes around guys. You know its a majority Lynch right? | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
Palmar calling him sure Town is ridiculous as well, but that's Palmar. Posting in stupid hyperboles is what he does. Let's lynch TAA. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On September 08 2011 10:17 GGQ wrote: Calling my posting 'fake' is a pretty serious accusation, bro. What makes you think I'm being fake? Examples and explanation, please. Okay, now you're getting emotional - or even hypocritical. First you say that your post about JeeJee was not an accusation, and then you regard what I wrote as one? Not cool. I see no problem with calling things the way they are. Everyone gets a bit in character and has some agenda on his mind. Implying that just because I consider your (or anyone's) behaviour part of your overall gameplan means that I am accusing you of something is dangerous. Town players can and often do have an agenda that is not immediately obvious. Your post reads to me as if you have a problem with this. Do you? * * * On September 09 2011 07:57 Zona wrote: The "I did it because I'm a bad player" is the worst excuse possible. If you realized that your multiple accusations very early in XLIV didn't work out well for you, why did you do it again? I'm also surprised you're not claiming that you were joking. Sandroba claimed that my motives are different this time, which is what I pointed out as incorrect. In XLIV I tried using gimmicky play as an attempt to put more pressure on BrownBear but it backfired, while here I did some trolling to get things going when the game was really quiet. I only mentioned my newbishness because Sandroba obviously sees me as someone he can easily pressure into making a mistake. And I did explain that I wasn't serious with my mafia list. * * * Palmar. He opened the same way in XLIV, which resulted in some good leads but also ruined town discussion and made it easier for mafia to blend. Afterwards he acknowledged his mistake and said he'll be better next time. This is next time and he's doing exactly the same. Some quotes from Day 1 from both games: + Show Spoiler + From XLIV: On September 07 2011 17:54 Palmar wrote: ##Vote: Chaos13 For being always wrong. From this game: On August 19 2011 11:39 Palmar wrote: must suck for dropbear to roll scum so often. From XLIV: On August 21 2011 02:26 Palmar wrote: chances of sevryn flipping scum: ~0.2% From this game: On September 09 2011 09:34 Palmar wrote: I said GGQ was less bad a lynch, but that's because iGrok has like ~5% chance of flipping scum. But I'm fine with killing you, or TAA. From XLIV (later, when we had serious targets): On August 21 2011 01:12 Palmar wrote: I do still think hanging DropBear is a good idea. From this game: On September 08 2011 19:06 Palmar wrote: Actually, I still like chaos13 as scum. etc. Palmar, in case you are not aware of this, your meta doesn't help you in this case - you have actually made yourself a strong lynch candidate. Also, herp + Show Spoiler + On September 08 2011 19:06 Palmar wrote: I don't know about GGQ, the rest are just derp votes. On September 09 2011 05:51 Palmar wrote: GGQ is by far the better alternative. On September 09 2011 09:06 Palmar wrote: I'm gonna re-read ggq's posts, iGrok is almost definitely town, so if it comes to it I'll rather support a ggq lynch On September 09 2011 09:27 Palmar wrote: I actually like him better than GGQ, and iGrok is almost definitely not scum. On September 09 2011 09:34 Palmar wrote: I said GGQ was less bad a lynch, but that's because iGrok has like ~5% chance of flipping scum. * * * An update on JeeJee. After being called out for failing to notice obvious things, he decided to stop posting anything related to the game and graces the thread with: On September 08 2011 12:12 JeeJee wrote: This game is off to a wonderful day. Bada-bapaba. I'm lovin' it. and On September 09 2011 07:21 JeeJee wrote: ?? * * * And, finally, our three lynch candidates. I don't like iGrok for lynch for the same reason as GGQ: he is putting himself out there from the very beginning. Not as much as GGQ but sitll quite a lot. Out of the three realistic lynch targets, TheAwesomeAll is the one who hasn't done anything of value. Also, his vote on Mig looks like an attempt to play down his previous vote (he voted for Bumatlarge in the same post in which he said that iGrok is sounds like mafia the most). What better way to draw attention away from making a second vote for someone who is by no means a serious candidate by making a third one? Throwing away votes in such fashion can be acceptible at the beginning of the game but not when we are actually having a proper discussion. TAA has this "bad town" vibe around him but bad townies get themselves in trouble by posting something with faulty reasoning, while he is simply trying to make himself look like a troll. unvote vote: TheAwesomeAll | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
On September 09 2011 10:15 chaos13 wrote: I'd switch to TAA or iGrok if I thought either of them were good lynches. The question raised now is which is worse - no lynch or town lynch? One of them at least gives us information from a flip. Cause it doesn't look like GGQ will be hanging tonight. What makes you think GGQ is a better lynch? Your post about him was pretty neutral but now he's the best lynch? | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
##vote: TheAwesomeAll | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
In cosmic I feel like he did the same but Palmar was alive when I wasn't in the game and I don't remember too well ATM (not quoting stuff cause I'm on my phone) Would Mig purposely forget these things or is he just being ignorant as town? Iunno but from what I understand about his town play...neither is a likely town explanation. Anyway, at the current lynches: I say we keep it between TAA and iGrok. Either is an acceptable lynch to me but I'm not sold on GGQ. I'll switch off iGrok if we require lynching assistance | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
Anyway switching like I said I would #unvote #vote TAA | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On September 09 2011 09:55 chaos13 wrote: Yeah I looked back through his posts and there was nothing there. Literally. Almost no posts. That was my first thought on him because of his shitty random vote. After filtering him I see he's made about 2 posts with content after that though and neither of them are very scummy. I call major bullshit on this. check the timestamps, all of my major content posts were made before you wrote that post. I didn't make "about two posts of content after that", this is a deliberate lie to absolve yourself of responsibility. If you're a cop, I think chaos is a great visit based on this alone. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Basically I was just gonna say that one of you being scum doesn't necessarily rule out both of you being scum. Lol. I am actually scared with how fast this TAA bandwagon has started. Are mafia really bussing him this early in the game? I haven't seen a single defense of him yet. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On September 09 2011 10:15 chaos13 wrote: I'd switch to TAA or iGrok if I thought either of them were good lynches. The question raised now is which is worse - no lynch or town lynch? One of them at least gives us information from a flip. Cause it doesn't look like GGQ will be hanging tonight. what the fuck is this? | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On September 09 2011 10:24 Curu wrote: What makes you think GGQ is a better lynch? Your post about him was pretty neutral but now he's the best lynch? Apparently I haven't gone over this enough, or you just haven't read all of my posts. Here's a full-blown analysis for you. GGQ - Mr. Mafia On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote: Oh boy let's rolefish some more. ##vote:ggq Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first?[/QUOTE] One random vote on him and he immediately tries to deflect the lynch onto bum. "This guy did the same thing as me, go after him instead." This could also be a vague attempt at rolefishing. There's no way it's going to work, as any player on this list with a blue role will see right through it, but it's there nevertheless. On September 08 2011 01:32 GGQ wrote: If you are being serious, please explain your reasoning more in-depth. What makes you think bum is mafia? If JeeJee and bum are mafia, why would JeeJee draw attention to bum like that? Why would Curu bandwagon so blatantly? If you are not being serious, please start. Note here that he provides evidence against a connection between JeeJee and bum. On September 08 2011 07:32 GGQ wrote: I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game. 1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning 2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy 3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me. 4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote. 5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread. 6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town. 7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning. 8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it). b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum. 9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here... To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys? 4) If he's unconcerned about the vote, why did he try to deflect it to bum? 9) "Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here..." This directly contradicts the earlier post where he states there is no connection between the two. This is also a subtle accusation of both bum and JeeJee. He doesn't say it outright, but there is no doubt in my mind that he is calling them mafia. The last paragraph also supports this, outlining both JeeJee and bum as perpetrators of disorganization. He then goes on to state that the motive behind that could be either town or mafia, without picking a side. Classic wishy-washy mafia statement. On September 08 2011 10:16 GGQ wrote: >>calls my post OMGUS >>points out that I end noncommittal and don't vote for JeeJee >>?!?!?! When did I accuse him of being scum? I gave him two options, and frankly I think it's more likely that JeeJee is misguided towny than mafia atm. My post wasn't an accusation, but an outline of misunderstandings, logic fails, and suspicious behavior. You'll notice that he's not the only one I've responded to. I'll point out problematic posts when I see them, whether the poster has voted for me or not. Call it OMGUS if you want. Also, you painted it as suspicious that I didn't vote for JeeJee after "accusing" him. And then you called me scum, even encouraged a lynch on me, then didn't vote for me. Wuddup wit dat? If this is the kind of logic and analysis we are going to have all game, then gg we lose. He accused JeeJee of being scum when he linked bum and JeeJee together as both causing problems. He ended that post asking for more discussion with JeeJee, who didn't post anything. Why the sudden change of heart then, with JeeJee "more likely misguided towny"? The end statement is nowhere near being pro-town either. It's a blanket negative statement intended to discourage further accusations of GGQ. On September 08 2011 11:35 GGQ wrote: Incorrect, an accusation is when you accuse someone of being scum, which I never did. I'll call out suspicious behavior from many players in a game, but I'll only accuse a few of being scum. So no, pointing out suspicious behavior from someone is not an accusation. If scum were the only ones who exhibited suspicious behavior, mafia would be a much easier game. You said I was looking like a good lynch. Not a good "vote", a good "lynch". You can't lynch by yourself, so yeah you were encouraging others to vote for me. And yeah, I am doing something about it by pointing out fail logic in the hopes that people will think things through a little longer. And then look at the bolded. He's falsifying what I said by arguing over my word choice. I'm trying to get you lynched now GGQ. Cause you're scum. On September 08 2011 12:16 GGQ wrote: In some ways yeah, but too many people are keeping quiet. Don't let us hog the spotlight, guys! "Quick, get the attention off of me!" On September 09 2011 09:34 GGQ wrote: aight ##vote iGrok TheAwesomeAll is a fine lynch, too. He hasn't mentioned any suspicion of these two at all yet. Suddenly they're both good lynches? When someone I think is scum is happy to lynch two people I think are probably town, and without any explanation for it, I get a whole lot more sure those two are town. Also, he's harped at people for voting without providing any explanation, and suddenly he's doing the same thing. I guess the rules don't apply to you when you're mafia, eh? I hope that cleared up any confusion about why I'm voting him. It's cause he's scum. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On September 09 2011 11:07 JeeJee wrote: I call major bullshit on this. check the timestamps, all of my major content posts were made before you wrote that post. I didn't make "about two posts of content after that", this is a deliberate lie to absolve yourself of responsibility. If you're a cop, I think chaos is a great visit based on this alone. Two posts after the random vote you made, ya doorknob. :p | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On September 09 2011 11:07 wherebugsgo wrote: It does, actually, you ninjaed my one liner that I was about to post. Basically I was just gonna say that one of you being scum doesn't necessarily rule out both of you being scum. Lol. I am actually scared with how fast this TAA bandwagon has started. Are mafia really bussing him this early in the game? I haven't seen a single defense of him yet. I think he's town, if that counts as a defense. How quickly it's started is yet another reason to think he's town. I don't really know how he came up as a major candidate in the first place. | ||
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