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[MSL] Avalon MSL Ro16 Day 2

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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 12:12:23
July 11 2009 06:25 GMT
#1
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Banner thanks to Smix



11th July 2009, 1830KST, MBC Game



Set B: (T)Iris <Carthage 3> (T)Hwasin
Set C: (P)Kal <Heartbreak Ridge> (Z)Jaedong
Set G: (Z)Calm <Outsider> (T)fOrGG

Statistics and Odds and Ends (Thanks to Mystlord)
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The numbers inside parenthesis represent the player's record for the last 5 games played against the opponent's race in (W-L) format.
The numbers between the above statistic represent the player's head to head record.

Set B: (T)Iris (3-2) 5 - 4 (3-2) (T)Hwasin

Both of these players are in pretty good shape right now, though they're nothing like what they were during their prime. The head to head stats are interesting because their first 4 encounters, Iris won, and their last 3 encounters, Hwasin has won. However, it's been more than a year since their last encounter, so anything can happen. Iris definitely hasn't lost his skill in TvT, since he has been dropping games against Leta, fbh, and Flash, who are all awesome TvT players. He's defeated NaDa, UpMagic, and MVP who are all average TvT players at least. Hwasin lost a game to go.go last night, but that was basically a pure build order loss, so it wasn't really an indication of his skill in this match up. In the past few games, his TvT play has been damn good, so expect a good game here.

As for Carthage 3 the map, it's mainly a fight between the two players for the middle expansions, so expect a relatively fast paced game here. However, this map does have the potential for Battlecrusier action, but I think one of them will make a mistake before then.

Set C: (P)Kal (2-3) 3 - 5 (4-1) (Z)Jaedong

Jaedong is on a 3 game losing streak overall and has been complaining of tiredness for the past few days. This time is no different. After only 4 days since his last game (against Yarnc), Jaedong has to play again, this time versus Kal, one of the few Protoss players who could take on and take down Jaedong. However, he has been losing quite a few games against Zerg recently, losing games to July and ZerO (though they are some pretty good ZvP players, ZerO less so because that game was before ZerO found his second wind). Jaedong is certainly on one of his down curves, being the tired gamer that he is. However, he still hasn't lost his touch.

The map Heartbreak Ridge is starting to look like a Protoss graveyard in ZvP ever since YellOw beat Bisu on that map. In his past few games, ZerO has shown everyone a clinic on how to ZvP properly on Heartbreak Ridge, including some epic Queen usage.

Set G: (Z)Calm (4-1) 1 - 1 (2-3) (T)fOrGG

Calm is on fire recently, breaking into #7 in this month's Power Rank, and an impressive 8-2 in his past 10 games. He has shown spectacular Mutalisk micro and a good grasp on strategies. The MSL champion fOrGG on the other hand is looking like a total idiot lately in TvZ. He's 0-3 in his last 3 games against Zerg, getting bested by EffOrt, Shine, and Jaedong, who he all had no trouble with in the past. However, he's had an entire week to rest and prepare for this game against Calm, so anything can happen.

The map Outsider is looking very back and forth in terms of ZvT. Initially thought to be a Terran favored map in this match up, Zergs have managed to turn the stats around with 2 Hatchery play, forcing the Terran to go defensive. Calm even beat Flash earlier this week on this map (although it was more like Flash was too greedy to put down turrets)


My predictions:
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Set B: (T)Iris <Carthage 3> (T)Hwasin
Set C: (P)Kal <Heartbreak Ridge> (Z)Jaedong
Set G: (Z)Calm <Outsider> (T)fOrGG


Results:
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Set B: (T)Iris <Carthage 3> (T)Hwasin
Set C: (P)Kal <Heartbreak Ridge> (Z)Jaedong
Set G: (Z)Calm <Outsider> (T)fOrGG
CURSE BROKEN?


Recommended games:
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+ Show Spoiler [Iris vs Hwasin] +
Nice action-packed TvT


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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 10:04:27
July 11 2009 06:25 GMT
#2
Polls closed!


Set B

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Set C

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Set G

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ryuu_
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1266 Posts
July 11 2009 06:34 GMT
#3
nice predictions
♣ Jaedong. Stork. Bisu. Calm. NaDa. SC2: Sen, MKP, DRG, MMA, Grubby, NonY, Ret, Jinro, TLO, Sheth, HayprO, Zenio,Taeja,Snute, Sea, Rain, MC,Squirtle,Stephano,Parting ,Life, and HEROOOOO <3
TwoStep
Profile Joined January 2009
United States294 Posts
July 11 2009 06:38 GMT
#4
The first game is hard to call but I'll go with Iris because he's had the benefit of practicing more on Carthage 3.

The second game is crucial for Jaedong. He should take it since he's had a lot of time to practice seeing how his other games are all going to be ZvZ for a long time. Zergs are starting to do better on HBR (thanks to ZerO).

ForGG sucks. Calm doesn't.
Arf
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
July 11 2009 06:40 GMT
#5
I'll take Hwasin, Kal, and Calm.

Whether or not Jaedong's able to pull it off today is gonna be an indicator of how ready he is to conquer three leagues.
God Bless
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
July 11 2009 06:41 GMT
#6
LEEEEEEEEEEEE JAAAAEEEEEEEE DOOOONNNNNG SEEEEEEEN SUUUUUUUUUU FIGHTING!
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 07:33:50
July 11 2009 06:44 GMT
#7
FIXED
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AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 06:54:11
July 11 2009 06:53 GMT
#8
As much as I'd prefer JD over Kal, Kal's PvZ is no joke and ZvP is JD's weakpoint

I'm thinking 50/50

ForGG will roll Calm
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
July 11 2009 07:10 GMT
#9
I have the exact same problem as kona, so hopefully someone else will be able to stream while our streams are down. I'm still very confused as to the source of my problem though, so it might be a while until I can figure my problem out.
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
July 11 2009 07:11 GMT
#10
I really want to see Kal take down Jaedong, but I guess that is a bit wishful thinking.

Other than that, gogogo Iris and gogogo Calm.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
July 11 2009 07:15 GMT
#11
I'm hoping Jaedong uses queens against Kal

I'm expecting ForGG to lose to something silly like 2 hatch muta or ling runby due to poor micro or bad timing

I want Iris to win because he's Berserker.

E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
cosiant
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada616 Posts
July 11 2009 07:17 GMT
#12
Jaedong will lose to Kal, because he is that unpredictable.
Member of the "Fuck yeah, Canata!" committee!
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
July 11 2009 07:25 GMT
#13
Update: Somehow it started working again for me, so I can stream MSL provided it doesn't break in the 2 hours until MSL and during MSL

*Prays*
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
July 11 2009 07:25 GMT
#14
what was the problem?
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
July 11 2009 07:26 GMT
#15
Yeah tell me

Maybe I can fix it too
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Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
July 11 2009 07:27 GMT
#16
I'm not exactly sure... I just restarted FMLE again, and it worked. Though I did restart it about 20 times prior to this restart, so I'm not sure what changed.

It might just have been the livestream server.
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
July 11 2009 07:33 GMT
#17
Cool, it's working now. yay
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lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
July 11 2009 07:39 GMT
#18
Kona's stream works but Mystlord's doesn't? D:
You can't fight the feeling.
fnaticNoname
Profile Joined January 2008
India858 Posts
July 11 2009 07:44 GMT
#19
GO IRIS!
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6180 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 07:46:30
July 11 2009 07:45 GMT
#20
Predictions:

(T)Iris <Carthage 3> (T)Hwasin
(P)Kal <Heartbreak Ridge> (Z)Jaedong
(Z)Calm <Outsider> (T)fOrGG
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