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Marine50
Profile Joined September 2007
Australia1764 Posts
July 11 2009 11:08 GMT
#241
On July 11 2009 20:06 Kuja900 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2009 20:04 Scaramanga wrote:
konadora forgg wasnt a fluke msl winner, he just slumped straight afterward

Completely agreed Scara 3-0ing Jaedong and 3-1ing flash is no fluke.

forgg's macro and timing in his series against Jaedong is what won him the MSL. Not map imba -_-
IRIS FIGHTING!!!
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51571 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 11:09:37
July 11 2009 11:08 GMT
#242
On July 11 2009 20:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Sync was still decent in proleague following his OSL win, which is more than can be said for Forgg.


there was no proleague in 2002.
it can be said though he was OKAY before he transferred to KTF, THEN he slumped.
similar to forgg how he was okay in lecaf before moving to KTF.
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o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
July 11 2009 11:09 GMT
#243
On July 11 2009 20:06 Kuja900 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2009 20:04 Scaramanga wrote:
konadora forgg wasnt a fluke msl winner, he just slumped straight afterward

Completely agreed Scara 3-0ing Jaedong and 3-1ing flash is no fluke.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/155_Rock/games/during/122_OSC2007_Season_1

*cough* *cough*

+ Show Spoiler +
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
July 11 2009 11:09 GMT
#244
On July 11 2009 20:06 GTR wrote:
er no, everyone just found out his niche of timing rushes and managed to adapt.
it's how sync won his osl, and everyone knew how to counter his sparks rush, which is why he never came back to form after his osl win.


same with mind and his tvp
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
July 11 2009 11:09 GMT
#245
Expected results, good for my LB. ^^
觀過斯知仁矣.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 11:11:53
July 11 2009 11:10 GMT
#246
On July 11 2009 20:08 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2009 20:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Sync was still decent in proleague following his OSL win, which is more than can be said for Forgg.


there was no proleague in 2002.
it can be said though he was OKAY before he transferred to KTF, THEN he slumped.
similar to forgg how he was okay in lecaf before moving to KTF.


I seem to recall him still being decent when he was playing for KTF in proleague?

edit: or whatever the team leagues were called back then? Weren't they just "Team Leagues?"
TranslatorBaa!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
July 11 2009 11:11 GMT
#247
On July 11 2009 20:09 o3.power91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2009 20:06 Kuja900 wrote:
On July 11 2009 20:04 Scaramanga wrote:
konadora forgg wasnt a fluke msl winner, he just slumped straight afterward

Completely agreed Scara 3-0ing Jaedong and 3-1ing flash is no fluke.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/155_Rock/games/during/122_OSC2007_Season_1

*cough* *cough*

+ Show Spoiler +

hey...

TheRock is awesome okay???
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
July 11 2009 11:12 GMT
#248
MSL Round of 8 brackets (predictions)

(Z)Jaedong vs (T)Canata

(Z)EffOrt vs (Z)Calm

(Z)ZerO vs (Z)Kwanro

(P)Bisu vs (T)Iris
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6105 Posts
July 11 2009 11:12 GMT
#249
On July 11 2009 19:50 Jaksiel wrote:
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On July 11 2009 19:48 Highways wrote:
- Traditionally ZvP is the most imba matchup in Starcraft (closely followed by TvZ, with TvP the most even)


I thought traditionally TvZ is more imba than ZvP.


General consensus is that ZvP was the most imba matchup. But I've always believed TvZ was.

Statistically TvZ is the most imbalanced according to TLPD as well I believe.
#1 Terran hater
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 11:16:10
July 11 2009 11:14 GMT
#250
On July 11 2009 20:12 Highways wrote:
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On July 11 2009 19:50 Jaksiel wrote:
On July 11 2009 19:48 Highways wrote:
- Traditionally ZvP is the most imba matchup in Starcraft (closely followed by TvZ, with TvP the most even)


I thought traditionally TvZ is more imba than ZvP.


General consensus is that ZvP was the most imba matchup. But I've always believed TvZ was.

Statistically TvZ is the most imbalanced according to TLPD as well I believe.


TvZ is definitely imba, since it's always like 54-55%. Post-Bisu ZvP is <50% according to the TLPD stats thread.

On November 23 2008 20:48 PoP wrote:

Pre-Bisu-vs-Savior ZvP: 682-547 (55.49%)
Post-Bisu-vs-Savior ZvP: 300-308 (49.34%)

Revolution much?


Of course this is somewhat out of date, but I doubt post Bisu-Savior ZvP is much higher than 50%.
TranslatorBaa!
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
July 11 2009 11:18 GMT
#251
On July 11 2009 20:06 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2009 20:04 Scaramanga wrote:
konadora forgg wasnt a fluke msl winner, he just slumped straight afterward


er no, everyone just found out his niche of timing rushes and managed to adapt.
it's how sync won his osl, and everyone knew how to counter his sparks rush, which is why he never came back to form after his osl win.

Imho thats a better description of Mind and his tvp.
OMG you nasty gurl
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
July 11 2009 11:18 GMT
#252
On July 11 2009 19:41 T.O.P. wrote:
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On July 11 2009 19:37 Jefferson wrote:
does it only look imba when JD is playing, or is PvZ pretty hard nowadays?

I read in a LR thread a few days after the zero vs bisu game that zergs went 27-8 in the last 35 pro zvp matches.

i dunno.. that's about... like.. 77% zvp
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
July 11 2009 11:22 GMT
#253
Anyone noticed how Zergs started raping after YellOw defeated Bisu?

DUN DUN DUN
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
July 11 2009 11:28 GMT
#254
On July 11 2009 20:22 konadora wrote:
Anyone noticed how Zergs started raping after YellOw defeated Bisu?

DUN DUN DUN


Hong Jin Ho returns to raise up the banner of the Zergs.

Remember that, even today, Hong Jin Ho holds the record for longest time spent as the top Zerg in Kespa rankings. YellOw forever!
TranslatorBaa!
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 11:30:50
July 11 2009 11:30 GMT
#255
On July 11 2009 20:22 konadora wrote:
Anyone noticed how Zergs started raping after YellOw defeated Bisu?

DUN DUN DUN


Yellow basically canceled out the morale boost Bisu gave Protoss after beating bonjwa-Savior. After that series all the toss were like "Hey, PvZ is possible!" After Yellow's win all the Zerg are like "Wait. Protoss sucks lol."
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
July 11 2009 11:37 GMT
#256
On July 11 2009 20:22 konadora wrote:
Anyone noticed how Zergs started raping after YellOw defeated Bisu?

DUN DUN DUN

Hey I pointed that out in my Statistics thing. You just generalized it D:
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
July 11 2009 11:43 GMT
#257
Lol I didnt read that

hivemind yo
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Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9034 Posts
July 11 2009 11:49 GMT
#258
Forgg still not used to KTF?
NiTenIchiRyu
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom273 Posts
July 11 2009 12:03 GMT
#259
On July 11 2009 19:48 Highways wrote:
Its both:
- Bisu was complaining about maps a couple months ago and looks like he was right.
- Traditionally ZvP is the most imba matchup in Starcraft (closely followed by TvZ, with TvP the most even)
When people say Protoss is easy to play, they are referring to amateur level rather than pro level.

SKT1 fanboy - CHECK
immature "I hate Terrans" signature - CHECK

Don't you have anything better to do like watching Bisu's games in the OSL ? OH WAIT

konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 12:09:06
July 11 2009 12:08 GMT
#260
On July 11 2009 21:03 NiTenIchiRyu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2009 19:48 Highways wrote:
Its both:
- Bisu was complaining about maps a couple months ago and looks like he was right.
- Traditionally ZvP is the most imba matchup in Starcraft (closely followed by TvZ, with TvP the most even)
When people say Protoss is easy to play, they are referring to amateur level rather than pro level.

SKT1 fanboy - CHECK
immature "I hate Terrans" signature - CHECK

Don't you have anything better to do like watching Bisu's games in the OSL ? OH WAIT


What's with this post?

Bisu did complain
Zergs figured out how to play on the maps better

That's not a way to talk to a forum vet
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