• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:29
CEST 05:29
KST 12:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers19Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers INu's Battles#14 <BO.9 2Matches> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion Leta's ASL S21 Ro.16 review BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Data needed
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro16 Group C [ASL21] Ro16 Group D
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2134 users

Nal_Ra's Hallucination: Truthful TvT

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
yes9111
Profile Joined May 2009
United States420 Posts
May 25 2009 08:18 GMT
#1
Fomos Source

▶ May 13th, 2009 - Shinhan Proleague 08-09 Round 4
◆ KTF vs STX Set 2 (Map Outsider) Flash vs Notice

Sup, this is Kang Min.

This time we will analyze the game between KTF's core pillar Flash and STX Soul's upcoming rookie Notice.

Flash is a player who will always make the best decision. Whether he is in a horrid or advantageous situation, you can trust Flash to make the best choices. Perhaps this is why he has earned his title, "current best Terran"? This match was no different; he made no mistakes and eventually won a hard-earned victory.

Hwasin has always been the core player of STX's Terran Lineup. Sure, there have been many players to support Hwasin in this lineup but all of them have failed to last a long time.

Despite all this, a new player named Notice arrived. Though he his record doesn't show it, he has a lot of potential and has performed brilliantly in the Proleague. (All Kill vs Ace - Casy, Reach, Anytime, Oversky, and 3-kills vs Hite SPARKYZ - Chalrenge, go.go and Leta)

[image loading]

Rematch between Flash and Notice after their game on Round 3 Week 3

The two previously met in Round 3 Week 3 in a game that Flash won. Notice's late game play was good, but he failed to deal a gamebreaking blow for victory.

In this game, Notice did have several chances to win. Had his early game tactical strategy been a little different, he could have won the game.

Flash opted for a 2port Wraith build while Notice went 1Fact Expand.
[image loading]

Flash goes for wraiths, Notice for 1fact expand

Flash's build was tough to predict and for Notice who was clueless about it, his defense was commendable. Flash did manage to pick off quite a number of Notice's SCVs, Notice countered by killing some of Flash's SCVs with his tanks. He also managed to buy some time with marines from his 1 barracks.

Because he had 2 CCs, Notice could quickly restore his SCV count and the game entered the mid-game phase.

As the game progressed, Notice calmly scouted for expansions. By wiggling his marine through the mineral line with his SCV, Notice scouted Flash's 11 Expo.

The 11 Expo that he scouted would have been a potential turning factor of the game. Notice finished his wraith defense and moved out his army of 4 tanks and 3 goliaths.

The force took position below Flash's assimilator. I think the choice here was excellent.

However, maybe this early force got a little too cozy. They just wouldn't move from their spot for a while. Since he had known that Flash's nat was taken late, Notice could have used this force to attack other parts of the map. The 11 expo would have been the best decision and could have changed the flow of the game.

[image loading]

Flash attacks with wraiths and dropships

If Notice had thought of the 11 expo just a little bit, Flash's 3rd would have been delayed and the game would have proceeded in various ways.

Flash could have taken his 3rd elsewhere or tighten his defense with wraiths and dropships.

Provided that Notice went for Flash's 11 expo instead, Flash would have set up his defense with tanks and wraiths for sight and this would have been a crucial timing for Notice.

If the game had flown that way, Flash's wraiths and dropships would have been tied up and the wraith harassment that continued til mid game would have been minimized. Even if Flash ignored the pressure and went for Notice's base, Notice could have defended the attack because Flash's initial force had not moved.

Furthermore, 3 goliaths with 2 scans are enough to counter cloaked wraiths and since his engineering bay was almost complete, he could have used to situation to his advantage a bit more.

Going for the 11 expo while letting Flash set up his nat was not a bad thing for Notice. In the big picture, Notice who had the 9 starting position expo would have been better for him.

Probably one of the reasons why Notice failed to make these decisions was probably because his opponent was none other than Flash. Wraiths are a unit that require constant control to damage the opponent. Flash was able to use them well and distract Notice's attention.

Flash's 11 expo begins to become functional while Notice gets his 9 expo under way after defending Flash's drops. Until now, I feel that Notice's initial troops could have been used better.

If he had moved them to the 9 expo, he could have blocked Flash's drop more easily and would have resulted in a more comfortable outcome.

Because he had taken the 9 expo, he had a lot of SCVs there. Had he used them to build turrets and form a line on the 10'o clock region, Flash would have been unable to mine properly from his 11 expo. Then, Flash's consecutive attacks would not have happened either.

Flash's second gas expo was slow, so Notice did not have to worry about Flash's wraith/tank attack. Harassing Flash's 11 expo could have gotten very important results for Notice.

Comparing the two's late game management skill, as the game progressed things looked better for Notice. Of course, this is considering when neither inflicted any damage on the other.

Flash knew that he could not win with his build on the defensive; as a result he showcased one of his biggest strengths, speed.

If Notice had held these attacks off well, victory would naturally have followed. He did show calmness in defending Flash's attacks.

As if he knew the positions of Flash's dropships, he managed to inflict damage with a small number goliaths in the center. His sense here was outstanding.

After this, there were two big battles in the center. Flash won the first and managed to establish a very advantageous position above Notice's natural. The second battle ensued as Flash maintained his comfortable position.

[image loading]

Flash doesn't lose his advantage by continually attacking with wraiths and dropships

Flash's confidence grew, only to be pummeled down by a disastrous second battle that left him with a very flustered expression. (Admittedly, his situation looked very good. He had won the previous battle and he was above Notice by 20 food count)

Notice won the second battle because his upgrades were on par and his army size and position were good. Especially critical was his quick sieging of his tanks as if he knew Flash's army was coming. The battle turned out favorably for Notice and he managed to kill all of Flash's units.

Plus, Notice's 9 expo was already fully functional so he was able to constantly stream units out of his factories. However, mistakes are surprisingly common in advantageous situations.

After winning the second battle, Notice grew hasty and lost his earlier calm play.

Notice decided to attack, but instead of going for Flash's mineral expo, he should have went for his natural or 2 expo. Scanning the expo to see if it was heavily defended would have helped too.

Once Terrans get at least 4 expos, their gas becomes more important than their minerals. As a result, destroying Flash's mineral expo would not have been as lethal.

The best option here would have been to destroy Flash's mineral expo because it was doable and return to the center afterwards.

If Notice had concentrated in the center and built turrets, he could have made the situation better.

Clearing Flash's army on top of the 9 expo natural would have been nice but Notice wouldn't have far more behind had he chose to attack it later. The most important point was the center of the map.

Notice should have focused on the center until he could freely move his dropships with well placed units. It would have been fine to clear Flash's forces at 9 after then. Had he been a bit more patient it is quite possible that he would have won the game.

However, Notice lost his earlier rationality and decided to continue pushing into Flash's nat after mulling down his mineral expo.

As Flash recovered from Notice's push, he also destroyed Notice's 7 expo. Though Notice had lots of minerals, he had no gas and his army could not match Flash's.

Flash pounced at this opportunity and did not let Notice regain his 7 expo. This eventually led to Flash's victory.

[image loading]

Notice's late turret construction to Flash's drops

Perhaps the greatest mistake in part of Notice was his neglect on turret construction.

After the first battle, Notice should have suppressed Flash's dropships with turrets. He had plenty of resources and judging by his 9 expo, he had already thought of the big picture of how the game should proceed.

While defending the center with his units, he should have built turrets starting from the 9 expo nat down to the 7 expo and to his main, drawing a large ㄴ shaped turret line. Had he done this, the game would have been on of his greatest victories.

Flash on the other hand isn't a great player simply just for his speed. Because he is fast, his opponents make mistakes in their thinking. As a result, their thinking timing becomes wrong and their execution timing also gets messed up.

Truthfully, hand speed can easily be developed through repeated practice. Most important is the thinking process of how to win the game. I think that the scale of the winning strategy, the processes to make that happen, the ability to think of all this in 0.5 to 1 second, and high concentration is the winning control.

This all needs to be learned through practice and training so memorizing each important situation is crucial. The speed at which you think of the winning plan is perhaps the most important thing.

Flash himself too, would have been surprised at the speed of growth among the new players, just like how he amazed everyone when he was a rookie.

I thank both the players who brought the 'Truthful TvT'.

I think Notice's development is worth watching and trust that Flash will continue to show his dominance in his games.

STORK WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
Lenwe
Profile Joined March 2008
Netherlands757 Posts
May 25 2009 08:27 GMT
#2
Excellent first post! NalRa's hallucinations have become one of my favourite things to read on TL nowadays, thanks for the translation.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
May 25 2009 08:27 GMT
#3
Thanks! Can't say how much I appreciate all the hard work that goes into these translations!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66359 Posts
May 25 2009 08:28 GMT
#4
Is this LosingID8 smurfing?

On a side note, great job
POGGERS
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
May 25 2009 08:48 GMT
#5
Interesting read, thanks a lot!

I think there was no working stream when this game was going on so perhaps it was a bit overlooked, I'll have to go watch the vod.
BW forever || Thall
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
May 25 2009 08:57 GMT
#6
Thanks for Epic first post, Love NalRa's analyses of games. Great to see he agrees that Flash is the best Terran too
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
Crahptacular
Profile Joined December 2008
United States295 Posts
May 25 2009 09:14 GMT
#7
These are always great to read. Thanks
IPS.ZeRo
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany1142 Posts
May 25 2009 09:34 GMT
#8
thank you, great atricle
aka DTF-ZeRo
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
May 25 2009 09:50 GMT
#9
cool, thanks yes9111
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
May 25 2009 10:02 GMT
#10
wow, thank you for the xlation
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
georgir
Profile Joined May 2009
Bulgaria253 Posts
May 25 2009 10:45 GMT
#11
why is nal_ra commenting instead of playing?
nataziel
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Australia1455 Posts
May 25 2009 10:58 GMT
#12
Jesus christ that's a good first post
u gotta sk8
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-25 11:01:51
May 25 2009 11:00 GMT
#13
On May 25 2009 19:45 georgir wrote:
why is nal_ra commenting instead of playing?

Because he retired to become a commentator for MBC game.

It's his job. He's paid to do it.



Thanks yes911, awesome job.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66359 Posts
May 25 2009 11:01 GMT
#14
On May 25 2009 19:45 georgir wrote:
why is nal_ra commenting instead of playing?

old players are old, he probably couldn't keep up. He said he will 'commentate and return back to KTF after getting experience', but frankly speaking I don't see that happening.
POGGERS
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
May 25 2009 11:16 GMT
#15
Is this the record for best first post ever? Thank you sir!
OMG you nasty gurl
hymn
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Bulgaria832 Posts
May 25 2009 11:25 GMT
#16
I can't believe how deep those analyses are...

Great post, thanks a ton!
azk he is the north american player but the titan he is the french stars
Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
May 25 2009 14:58 GMT
#17
Thank you for the translation!

And Ra didn't even play Terran, wow.
I BELIEVE IN CAPITAL LETTER PUNISHMENT!!!!!
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
May 25 2009 22:30 GMT
#18
Nice...thanks!!

I love these in-depth analyses...translators keep them coming please!! (:
Hello
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
May 25 2009 22:33 GMT
#19
Awesome!
Freedom is a stranger
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
May 25 2009 22:39 GMT
#20
thanks alot. Traslation is good!
A link to the game on youtube would have been helpful, since I havent seen it yet.
Guess I'll have to find it. Love that last quote of Nal_Ra

This all needs to be learned through practice and training so memorizing each important situation is crucial. The speed at which you think of the winning plan is perhaps the most important thing.
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
19:00
RO16 TieBreaker - Group A
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 229
ProTech18
StarCraft: Brood War
Stork 347
ggaemo 84
Nal_rA 41
NaDa 14
910 1
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm565
LuMiX0
League of Legends
JimRising 780
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King37
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor181
Other Games
summit1g10276
Fnx 1058
WinterStarcraft302
ViBE147
kaitlyn38
amsayoshi29
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1027
BasetradeTV171
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Sammyuel 29
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 74
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1181
Other Games
• Scarra2351
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6h 32m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
7h 32m
MaxPax vs SHIN
Clem vs Classic
Ladder Legends
11h 32m
Solar vs GgMaChine
Bunny vs Cham
ByuN vs MaxPax
BSL
15h 32m
CranKy Ducklings
20h 32m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
Wardi Open
1d 6h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 6h
Soma vs hero
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 12h
Replay Cast
1d 20h
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Leta vs YSC
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Escore
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W4
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.