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Going back to clue analysis, no one has mentioned this part yet:
Meanwhile, downstairs, Qatol was using the Triumvirate Building's spacious archery range for target practice. As he looked down to reload, another figure crossed the room from the other side. The mafioso crept behind Qatol and took out his knife. Qatol never shot another arrow.
I don't know if Pyrry is using clues to indicate characteristics of mafia like Chuiu does, or if he uses words in his paragraphs relating to information from Mafia.
If it's the first one, then this mafia "creeps" and "crossed the room [of the spacious archery range] from the other side" quite quickly, in the time it takes Qatol to reload. This seems to indicate a sort of animal, to me at least, which may go well with the clue about the cat.
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Some thoughts:
"Jimtudor had no hard feelings about the election. With love for his town in his heart, he prepared to defend the people chosen to lead in this time of crisis. His door bell rang. "Who could it be at this hour?," he thought. A salesman in a flashy tie greeted Jimtudor from his welcome mat and began his pitch. Jimtudor tried to close the door in the man's face, but the man swiftly jammed a metal bar in the doorway and used it to pry the door open, then bash Jimtudor in the head till he died.
Walking through the park in the darkness, Softer began to think he was being stalked, so he hid in the bushes. The figure that had been following him began to search the thicket, and Softer panicked and tried to bolt towards the park's exit. However, before Softer could get away, his stalker whipped him forcefully in the back. Softer flew to the ground, where vicious stomps to the back of the neck took his life. "
From this it seems like Pyrry's using attributes to each mafia, much like Chuiu.
So, so far from this day we have:
1) Stalker shadow person: "in the darkness" "being stalked" "stalker whipped him forcefully in the back" "vicious stomps to the back of the neck"
2) Flashy tie man: "Who could it be at this hour?" "salesman in a flashy tie" "swiftly jammed a metal bar in the doorway"
From day one we have:
3) Stalker again?: "figure crept closer" "figure pushed him from behind"
4) Speedy fellow: "spacious archery range" "crossed the room from the other side"
5) Bomber?: "Without warning" "sounding a horn that would not be heard in time"
It can be argued that the stalker from day one and the stalker from day two are one and the same. Thus we basically have four confirmed figures: stalker, salesman, quick fellow, bomber
We are pinning Jayme to the stalker because of his cat picture and because of "He who supplants"? Personally I feel that some of the connections are weak, such as the "zerg=creep" and the scattered occurrences of the mentioning of like "crepuscular" with no reference to a figure. This is assuming that Pyrry's clues are related towards the attributes of the characters, however.
On the other hand, Jayme's picture is not of a normal cat but of some sort of weird cat. I don't know exactly what it is, but to me it seems like some sort of night-vision cat thingy (maybe I'm totally off) but that would go with the night thing. Also, Jayme's signature is "Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it" whips are similar to snakes, but this is kind of weak.
BUT, on wikipedia for "python": "Most members of this family are ambush predators, in that they typically remain motionless in a camouflaged position and then strike suddenly at passing prey."
ambush predator...
also, reference thicket is grass; "snake in the grass" is a common phrase.
It could also be omG.[RaYnE], because Rayne->BloodRayne->vampire, which also relates to the neck
Regarding flashy salesman, maybe http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Koopie because the picture of Peach is kind of flashy, or because the signature is "Red. Green. Blue.", flashy colors, but, maybe not. Maybe http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=EsbenPM because Esben->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esben_Storm->producer of fantasy tales, but very weak.Maybe even iloveKTF because of his flashy mayor sign (highly doubt).
Maybe it isn't flashy but salesman. Salesmen want to sell a product; motbob's signature is "Join Teamliquid Whatpulse Team!" sort of like selling a service but also weak.
Regarding fast guy, maybe Ra.Xor.2 for being "#1 Flash Fan"? I think this relates more to like a fast animal or some sort of magic teleportation, but it can't possibly be the same person as the stalker. Maybe this is EsbenPM and the relationship with fairy tales?
Practically no clues on the bomber except "sounding a horn" which I have no idea what it means.
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What was his original profile?
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edit: Does anyone know when he changed his profile? Pyrry could have looked at his profile right before making the day post, though maybe not
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My bad about Koopie, was trying to see who could be flashy. But since he changed his profile, it can't be him so we need other suspects. Maybe SugiuraMidori because his profile picture is kinda flashy and has various colors? But that's kinda weak. Bwdero also has a sort of flashy picture, but no colors in this one. Maybe even epicdoom: "Epic doom is a style of doom metal that is characterized primarily by its vocal style; vocalists typically employ clean, operatic and choral singing. Lyrics and imagery are typically inspired by fantasy or mythology, while the drumming is performed in a bombastic fashion. However, distinguishing epic doom from traditional doom may be difficult. Examples of prominent epic doom bands include Candlemass, Solitude Aeturnus, Solstice and Doomsword."
Personally I think the clue isn't so much flashy as it is salesman, but maybe that's just a product of the mafia script.
Anyways, regarding double lynch, I think that if we do double lynch, we need to have more than one suspect. So far the only major suspect I can see is Jayme, and this means we're going to need some tough clue analysis tonight and tomorrow.
Also, people in danger of being modkilled:
sugiuramidori
adriix33
so hurry up and vote!
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On May 23 2009 23:34 teks wrote:OK, I'm going to post my clue analysis now. I feel that I learned a lot from MTF's clue analysis, So I'm going to borrow his template and try to work out some mafia profiles. When we know for sure how Pyrr writes his clues, I am going to do another analysis based on that. I have bolded the parts of the day posts that I feel is relevant for these profiles. Mafia A and B:+ Show Spoiler [Mafia A and B] +Mafia A and Mafia B seem very much alike. If it hadn't been for the fact that the murders should have happened simultaneously, I would probably have combined these two suspects into one, giving us three clues on one person. Since this isn't possible, I'll add the day two clues to both of these profiles for now. Mafia A:+ Show Spoiler [Mafia A] +Day 1 Post:
Behind Pyrrhuloxia, a figure crept closer. When Pyrrhuloxia lifted his hands from the railing to stir his decaffeinated coffee with a drumstick, the figure pushed him from behind. Pyrry flew over the sixth floor ledge to his death. Day 2 Post:
Walking through the park in the darkness, Softer began to think he was being stalked, so he hid in the bushes. The figure that had been following him began to search the thicket, and Softer panicked and tried to bolt towards the park's exit. However, before Softer could get away, his stalker whipped him forcefully in the back. Softer flew to the ground, where vicious stomps to the back of the neck took his life. Notes: - "A figure", possibly not a human, so far unseen - Attacking from behind, possibly wielding a whip - Victims stomped to death, or fell to death, unable to take a look at the attacker Fitting suspects: - chaoser. Stealthy ninjas attacking from behind, not being seen? Plausible. But the killing methods, involving stomping, makes this kind of farfetched.
- omG.[RaYnE]. I'm basing this on the character Rayne in Blood Rayne, which I think is the most plausible link to omG.[RaYnE]. Quote from Wikipedia: "Due to that fact that Rayne was raised to be a powerful vampiric assassin that isn't supposed to show any sign of weakness to her opponents, she can seem cold, aloof, brooding, and even callous at times." The downside to this theory is that she doesn't seem to use a whip, on the contrary, she uses double blades.
- teks. Yeah, I'm not going to exclude myself, I have nothing to hide. I have a picture of Darkwing Duck in my profile. This would fit to the "figure" not being confirmed to be a human, but as far as I know, he doesn't use a whip. And no, the rope on the picture is attached to the helicopter, it would be a very farfetched link to this suspect, in my opinion.
Conclusion so farIf we retract the day 2 clues from this suspect, all of the suspects on the lists really make more sense because we can disregard the whip. But without the day 2 clue, we really have nothing at all to go on, except the killing method. A very stealthy being who knows how to get the job done without neither uttering a word or giving up his/her/its identity. The word figure implies that none of the suspects actually saw their murderer, so their physical identity still seems to be very much unknown. Day 1 Post
Meanwhile, downstairs, Qatol was using the Triumvirate Building's spacious archery range for target practice. As he looked down to reload, another figure crossed the room from the other side. The mafioso crept behind Qatol and took out his knife. Qatol never shot another arrow. Day 2 Post:
Walking through the park in the darkness, Softer began to think he was being stalked, so he hid in the bushes. The figure that had been following him began to search the thicket, and Softer panicked and tried to bolt towards the park's exit. However, before Softer could get away, his stalker whipped him forcefully in the back. Softer flew to the ground, where vicious stomps to the back of the neck took his life. Notes: - A very fast (and perhaps stealthy) person, who is able to cross the "spacious" archery range in such a short amount of time (either that or Qatol just suck at reloading) - Wielding a knife and possibly a whip All I get from this is a being that is very fast and using weapons. I'm getting the feeling that we are dealing with a trained assassin/ninja or something like that. I feel that this suspects fits better with the day 2 posts than Mafia A, but we really don't know much about this person either, except for the weapons and physical speed/stealth. My suspect list: - omG.[RaYnE]. Again, Rayne from BloodRayne. I don't really know how fast she is, or wether or not she has a knife or a whip, but she does use weapons.
- chaoser. Again, chaoser is connected to this via the ninja clue. I'd probably rank him higher on the suspect list for this one than RaYnE.
Day 1 Post:
In the parking lot, LTT, the love child of the late L and Samsung Khan's captain, read an Erlend Loe novel in his Audi sports car. Without warning, his windshield shattered and a wave of glass ripped through LTT's face. Passing out from blood loss, LTT's head slumped, sounding a horn that would not be heard in time. Notes: - Something or someone able to shatter a windshield - Passing out from blood loss implies that the attacker did not finish what he started, possibly leaving LTT before he was confirmed dead. Sloppiness or confidence in his ability? Maybe the attacker doesn't have any direct physical abilities? Suspect list:- zeks. Credit to Shikyo and So no fek for this one. www.zeks.com is a company who produces compressed air pumps, which could possibly be used to shatter the windshield.
- BWdero. He has a picture of the comic character Black Bolt. Black Bolt's ability is this (quoted from wikipedia): "He has a super sonic scream that can destroy almost anything, even if he whispers." Yeah, that's right. This guy is super powerful, but I imagine a whisper could take care of the windshield here. If he does show up again on day 3, it should be very easy to link the clues together.
- iLoveKTF. This has also been brought up before. It's the sound waves in his profile, a picture of the cover of some album, it's not really important. It's still sound waves. I imagine that if Pyrr were to write clues about iLoveKTF, a character who uses sound waves to kill would be plausible.
: + Show Spoiler [Mafia D] +This is, together with Suspect C, in theory the easiest to analyze. Day 2 Post
His door bell rang. "Who could it be at this hour?," he thought. A salesman in a flashy tie greeted Jimtudor from his welcome mat and began his pitch. Jimtudor tried to close the door in the man's face, but the man swiftly jammed a metal bar in the doorway and used it to pry the door open, then bash Jimtudor in the head till he died. Notes:- A civilized man who uses the doorbell. - At this hour? Very early in the morning perhaps? I'm not sure if this is relevant information. - Salesman in a flashy tie trying to sell something - may have become upset when Jimtudor didn't want to buy anything/listen to him. - Wielding a metal bar Suspect list: [list] [*] I10f: I believe it was Shikyo who told us about Britney Spears' perfume, Believe? Anyway, it fits to the salesman profile, him trying to sell Britney's perfume. [*] Ra.Xor.2: I'm not going to quote his whole profile information, but it's basically what seems to be a missionary speech, so I'm thinking that the salesman could actually be trying to convert Jimtudor, or make him believe in God, whatever. So a religious fanatic who got angry when Jimtudor tried to shut the door before he could finish his pitch, seems plausible. So that's basically what I've got so far. I hope that day 3 will bring us more clues so I can try to fill out the profiles more, and we're still missing some mafia in the clues. I also do think that it's a mistake of us to try to link people with oneword clues like "crepuscular" "Erlend Loe" or "drumstick" (yeah I know that one was quickly disregarded, but still). In my opinion we should be focusing on the bigger picture in the day posts, trying to build profiles of the attackers assuming that this is how Pyrr is writing his clues.
Hey, I did something like this a few pages back :p, but I was just listing names that might have some relevance, and I was trying to bias the inactives since I remember softer and Jimtudor mentioned a lot about inactives, so I thought mafia was trying to hide in inactivity.
Anyways, on mafia A, interesting catch on chaoser, but I firmly believe that this refers to omG.[RaYnE]. First, it strongly seems like a vampire, as a night-stalker, especially since there are lots of references to the night (though this may be because it's night haha). Also, BloodRayne does indeed have a whip, though it is like a harpoon; "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayne_(Bloodrayne)" "In addition to her ability to jump more than 20 feet into the air and running unnaturally fast, she is also strong enough to fire assualt rifles in each hand at different targets and pull her foes towards her using a wrist-mounted harpoon in order to feed on their blood." Also, the text specifically said "neck," which again can refer to vampires.
I suppose it can refer to chaoser as a ninja, but the only clue I see that relates refers to the stealth of the ninja, and so I think the clues better fit Rayne.
My attempt at behavior analysis (I'm no good), Rayne is inactive. One vote away from being modkilled, and Rayne posts in the thread "On May 23 2009 20:37 omG.[RaYnE] wrote:
mind fuck "
This seems to indicate that Rayne, though "inactive" votingwise, is still paying attention in the thread. Chaoser, on the other hand, seems to genuinely be helping the town. But again, we shall see when day comes which of the two the clues better stack up against, or maybe it's even someone else.
On mafia C, I think the connection to zeks is kind of weak. But between BWdero and iLoveKTF, I think the clues are more stacked towards BWdero (though only one clue). I first thought that this mafia was a bomber, but with the reference to sound, "a horn that would not be heard in time," I can see how it refers to sound waves. So between BWdero and iLoveKTF, I think that BWdero is a better fit. First, his character is a superhero that can emit large sonic bursts; thus he does not have to be present to use it. This can be shown in that the mafioso is not there when LTT dies, perhaps he is far away, whispering? Again, letting LTT die from the blood loss can seem to indicate that he is the hero, since the hero doesn't seem to have any killing power besides sonic booms. iLoveKTF, on the other hand, only has sound waves in his picture. I suppose you can generalize the same as BWdero, but with only soundwaves, we can't really tell. Again, this depends on if this figure appears again the next day, as he only appears once.
On mafia D, sounds good, but as I said before, it could also be epicdoom, as epic doom music is characterized as "a style of doom metal that is characterized primarily by its vocal style; vocalists typically employ clean, operatic and choral singing. Lyrics and imagery are typically inspired by fantasy or mythology, while the drumming is performed in a bombastic fashion." "clean vocals" can refer to the civility (word?) of the man, and bombastic drumming can refer to the flashiness of the tie. But of the salesman, I don't know, I guess we have to wait and see if he turns up again.
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Hey guys, sorry, I got back later than I expected.
Lemme read through to see what happened
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Okay I finally caught up, wow so much has happened, good thing I wasn't killed.
My first impressions: wow at the mafia hitting. Mafia is basically shooting itself by killing mostly greens and hitting protected peoples, even though we lynched a medic.
Some things that stood out that I hope haven't been hounded on before:
Day 3:
"sewer system" "shuffling of pages" "empty desk" "pierced his rib cage from behind." "he couldn't muster the energy"
"but lights wouldn't turn on." "his adversary shoved it from his hands, then swung a board crushingly into the side of EsbenPM's head, killing him instantly."
"Hi, I'm here to install the cannon out front by the moat. Can you sign here please?"
Day 4:
"odious figure soaked with the stench of death" "removed explosives from the pouch at his waist and placed them around vx70GTOJudgexv's house." "From a distance"
"finally caught Mew, the final prize in his collection" "long, blond hair finishing the Sign of the Cross." "pulled apart the crucifix around his neck to reveal the dagger within."
What first jumps to my mind is the salesman again, meaning that I was right about the clue being the salesman and not the flashiness.
Anyways, I'd say that the first mafia is the same night person as before, surprised that it isn't Rayne though. Chaoser would be my next bet, though.
Secondly, it seems that the mafia who killed EsbenPM is very strong, maybe this is a new mafia?
Third, the salesman, I don't know what we decided on about l10f.
Day 4, the first killer runs away to detonate, is he a coward or some sort? We still have to account for the car destruction in day 1 as it isn't BWdero. I don't know who the suspects are now, but I would suggest epicdoom for his connections to "bombastic" drumming.
Blonde hair, reminds me of sephiroth, but no one has anything connected to ff7. But the sign of the cross, I would agree, is indicative of religion, and thus Ra.Xor. And because there is no appearance of our favorite salesman, maybe Ra.Xor is also the salesman?
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@Foolishness, interesting proposal. It may be true that, at first mafia were inactive because of the severe bandwagoning, and now that the mafia has killed like 80% greens, mafia can no longer hide among the greens because of the role claim and thus motbob is trying to appear useful to the town now.
On the other hand, I can't find any clues that link to motbob (and I wasn't here for when he was active, haha)
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Oh nice catch on Pawsom, I was wondering why everyone was voting for him, lol.
If he is mafia though, then I've been looking at clues the wrong way, which was the first thing I said in this thread, we have to see if the clues are description-linked or personality-linked, and I've been trying to link them personality-wise...
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motbob and crate are medics.
wow I am so bad at this game, I thought iLoveKTF and Knutti were BG and medic HAHAHA.
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That leaves 2/3 of the players (>half the town and 6/7 mafia) that didn't say much at all really.
hey you like my bullshit clue connections, which would've worked until teks' role claiming event, by which you should have gotten us all
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No, I knew you were medic, I was trying to find the last medic though
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Hey go back and read my clue analysis, I thought it was pretty solid :p.
Anyways I didn't say much after that since everyone was attacking Shikyo and I wasn't here for the beginning of that so I didn't want to get involved.
And don't ask about the hits x_x.
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Oh right, our plan was to kill all the greens first and then hit the blues..
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Nah teks, you played fine, after the role claiming episode (which I was legit not here for) you should have had a list of all the mafia already, since all of us claimed townie.
I think you were too worried because you didn't have a medic/bodyguard yet, but since every mafia already claimed, you should have had us.
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