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i hope this game is longer | ||
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On March 17 2009 14:06 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Any mod / someone who saw that want to tell us what that was? EDIT: nevermind more_minerals isn't in this game lol he voted for bloodycobbler but then i guess he realized that he wasn't playing  | ||
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 Anyway. I don't see why people are voting BC when he hasn't even made a statement in the thread yet. Why don't we wait for some actual campaigning instead of blind voting? | ||
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BC Qatol Jyvblamo Ver Fishball Pyrrhuloxia Fusionsdf Mikeymoo Teejing Semioldguy 0cz3c Mista Pika Chu Pyrrhuloxia i dont think i missed any. edit: this one sucks, second tally is accurate. i blame all you non format followers | ||
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yeah you did. my mistake. also what i did was run a ctrl+f for "vote for" but now that i am going back it looks like there are some votes that weren't posted in the correct format. Updated list comin in a minute. | ||
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BC Qatol Jyvblamo Ver Fishball Chaoser Pyrrhuloxia Scaramanga Pyrrhuloxia Fusionsdf Mikeymoo Teejing LaxerCannon Semioldguy 0cz3c Mista Pika Chu Phrujbaz Caller (no longer running!) Malongo OK, now i really don't think i missed any! | ||
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On March 18 2009 09:39 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: "The other reason we can't tell which side an incarcerated player is on simply by looking at kill power, is that kill power isn't going to change half of the time from a single Mafia being removed. So we would need to rely on a role-check anyway." So should we medic up on vigis hoping they will kill a mafia and survive the night? If the vigi called out someone the town has high suspicions of and the vigi is someone who has played in a way that looks legit maybe we should consider it because its the most likely way I see to have a publicly confirmed blue that can't be a GF. yes, this is true, however - someone the town is extremely suspicious of is not always red. And if the vigi hits a blue and survives the night with medic help or otherwise, a DT check would confirm they are either vigi or godfather. Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but Godfather won't show up on a DT check as Godfather, that's why he is the Godfather... If they hit a blue we won't send them roles and if there are extra vigi calls we'll have a short list to find mafia from. So... what if we just have one vigi a day call out a hit and then be protected that night. We are bound to eventually hit a red and have someone we can trust. Cons are obviously that it may not be worth the medics focusing and it may take too long and allow too many deaths to set up - plus if mafia get some kills on medics and vigis early we may never get a red and have wasted time setting this up. Still, the unique characteristic that mafia can't kill themselves seems like the only exploitable way to make sure someone is 100% blue so maybe we should consider it. The idea of medics protecting vets could work as long as all vigis call their hits so we know they didn't trigger a medic but the medic and vet could both be mafia or one or both could be millers or godfather and it would be awfully tough to weed that out. With one vigi a day claming and medics on him, there is no way to coordinate the meds. So we may end up with all meds on him or sometimes even none. I think it would allow mafia way too many free hits; they can probably count on the vig being protected and have less fear to spread the hits around to key players. Plus it only works if the vig hits a red. If the vig misses the negative consequences are rather harsh. If he lands a red then we've got a go to man for at least a little while. So i think it's extremely all-or-nothing, especially early on which unfortunately is when we need the most set up we can get. Good point that vig claiming a hit allows medic to avoid protection on that person. But if the vig is only targeting suspicious players, why would the medic be planning to protect that person anyway? One question: if we're really, really suspicious of someone, is it better to lynch them instead of using a one time vigi kill? I'm not really sure but i hope someone with more experience than i could answer this. | ||
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On March 18 2009 10:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: The biggest risk I see is the mafia faking as a vigi and stringing us along by posing as a vigi attempting to kill blue after blue and having the mafia end up killing the same person. We would probably have to choose as a town who the vigi should kill because that way a fake vigi wouldn't be able to just choose someone who is not mafia everytime and claim every morning that the mafia had killed the same person in order to foil them. Vigis are always having to deal with the risk of killing a blue or green so as long as its a person the town is okay with attacking I don't think the negative consequences are that bad, however early on we are probably unlikely to have an extra kill to want to give to a vigi that might be fake when we could double lynch - we are also unlikely to even have someone to double lynch. Thing is: say a legit vig claims a hit, and overnight turns out that person was green/blue. Mafia can now kill the vig for free, because it reveals no new information to us. Or they let him live and allow suspicion to develop. Even some mafia/players could push a case to say that the vig must have been faking and start a bandwagon to lynch, then we lost a lynch and a vig and a vig hit and a bystander. You cannot count on such a bandwagoning attempt to be immediately transparent - i think the power of bandwagoning has been proven in previous games. I understand we have precious few options for confirming blues, but the adequacy of the plans so far leads me to question whether it is even worth it to bother with them in this round. I suspect it will be better to hold our elected officials to an agenda that solely benefits town - under pressure of lynch if they screw up. This could help minimize any damage done by a possible elected mafia, because an elected townie will act for the towns benefit anyway unless he is an idiot. But then we just screwed up by electing an idiot etc. edit fixed tags | ||
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On March 18 2009 11:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: If the Vig is going to kill a blue/green the mafia will probably let him do it. If the vig is going to kill red they will probably try to kill the vig to prevent organization. If the vig gets killed after killing a blue/green its not the end of the world since they had no power left anyway. If the mafia bandwagon to kill the vig who killed a blue/green I think they will look suspicious - we aren't giving the roles to a vig unless they hit red. On the fourth day if a vigi comes forward saying they are a vigi when we've already had 3 claim then we have a short list from which we can find at least one mafia and if we accidentally kill a blue/green while using clues to sift through it at least they are ones that killed how the town wanted them to (have to make sure we hold them to this so the mafia won't want to fake a vigi and then be asked to kill a red that they can't kill) and are now powerless. Yeah, if the vig is smart he will send his hit to Chuiu before he claims in the thread, to ensure the hit goes through no matter if he is targeted by mafia. I guess I just think the consequences of missing are worse than you think they are. But still this takes a lot of time, 4 days is a lot of kp for the mafia. I am not as against the plan as Ace is, but I still don't like it. You might be right though, that it is the best chance we have. I do agree that the vigi plan is a long shot however I don't think it is mutually exclusive with holding elected officials to the demands of the town under pain of lynch - that should happen regardless. That's true, i don't know why i said it like that. They are not mutually exclusive, but consider cost v benefit of vigi plan vs. not doing anything at all and perhaps it comes out about even. The thread is exploding now and I'm like 20 posts behind so this reply is probably late. | ||
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On March 18 2009 11:58 Ace wrote: @Inf: You know if I'm against some plan in a Mafia game and if you assume I'm innocent - there has to be a really good reason right? Look at the plan and tell me after going through all the "if this happens, and then if this and this and this" happens and it all comes out what is the point? It's like no one realizes this game is designed so that there is no way to have early central organization as easy as before, but you guys are going to kill yourselves and all the rest of us in trying. right now it's better to see how the this election and the first day plays out while letting the DTs do whatever it is they want to do. Yeah... if I assume that you're innocent You're too smart a player for me to comfrotably assume anything about you ^^ If dt's are going to do whatever they want, I bet they will go rolecheck for the high profile guys and maybe the smurfs. Maybe 1 or 2 will save their rolecheck for day 2. Then we could have some more fun day 1 dt roleclaims! | ||
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On March 19 2009 09:16 fusionsdf wrote: If we have to lynch someone on the first day, then it makes sense to lynch the person with the most clues against them, even if the clues aren't 100%. It makes just as much sense to lynch an inactive. edit: It* | ||
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On March 20 2009 10:13 JL13 wrote: Well so far it seems like the problem with vigi's as they send in their hits is: 1) Do vigi's publicly claim their hits after sending PMs to Chuiu, thus medics don't protect vigi hits ensuring the hit goes through regardless if the target is town/mafia? 2) Do vigi's stay silent and pray medics don't protect the target? Am I getting this right? I will post my opinions once I get this cleared up. 1) Yes that's the idea, if a vigi were to claim he would only claim after PMing Chuiu his hit. 2) As long as the vigi is targeting a known suspect of the town, he shouldn't have to worry about that player being protected - this is of course assuming we have no medics purposely messing up the game. The only reason a vigi would speak up beforehand is to prove his identity as blue - but that only works if he hits a mafia successfully. | ||
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I suggested a possible clue link from the 4th mafia that stayed behind, waiting for Incognito, to the name "Lurker." It sort of fits, but I want to bring it up again so others can see it. Also: what kind of person could run with their hands behind their head and also grab a gun and throw it to the side? Perhaps someone who is very "Versatile." It's possible but i don't think Chuiu usually writes clues like that. I'd imagine that mafioso to be hinting towards some kind of animal, like a monkey, or someone with multiple appendages. | ||
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On March 20 2009 12:43 Ace wrote: If it helps Versatile is also synonymous with being ambidextrous. However for both their hands to be behind their head, and then grab something suggests another pair of hands doesn't it? Yeah I agree that the clue definitely suggests some extra body part or force being used. Versatile's name just jumped out to me on the list when I was thinking about that particular mafioso. On March 20 2009 12:44 redtooth wrote: edited to show how dumb day 1 clue analysis is. its good work you guys are doing but i don't know if it will produce any results. i'm going to sleep now. hahah excellent point. Don't worry, eventually someone will say the gladiator link in my profile is a clue because a mafioso killed someone with a knife (oh if only MidnightGladius was playing  ) | ||
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On March 20 2009 13:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Didn't someone say that there was a scene from the movie Gladiator where someone helps another guy up and then stabs them? Yeah that was brought up but I forget by who. I'm not worried about it though. On March 20 2009 12:57 redtooth wrote: well i clicked that link and would just like to say that i want my 2 coins back. For that, my friend, you must defeat me in the arena!  (i dont even know what that smilie means) | ||
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