EPTTL Mafia 5 [Game Over]
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Pika Chu
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On March 17 2009 17:10 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Anyone want to comment on my Pika Chu analysis? It is too hair pulled mate, but it is definitely a good initiative on your side. But you are keen on finding clues that may remotely point to me other than doing a real analysis and seeing the clues that may not point toward me. | ||
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Pika Chu
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Fusiondf, but isn't trying so hard to blame on someone after the first story a little bit suspicious? Also, i don't like that >80% of the people playing this are being sheep and either go with the bandwagon or vote by "personal relations". | ||
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Pika Chu
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Why is everyone assuming none of the main talking guys ain't mafia? Because we're practically going an all-in with this strategy, a cheese. It is a high probability that one of them is actually mafia and that would practically screw this plan. Protecting the vets is the biggest mistake i see since it's clear that most vets got good roles (like mafia or something blue) and not the shitty green which is gave to newbies. I do believe this is the algorithm that Chuiu has followed when designating the roles. | ||
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Pika Chu
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On March 18 2009 08:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Pika Chu seems kind of lethargic in defending himself and only Nemy has tried to defend him and in doing so ignored the bulk of my analysis. If I was Pika Chu and innocent I'd be trying to defend myself by looking through the clues for someone else or continuing to restate the flaws some of the flaws in my analysis (the mafia character in question could be anything with more than l2 arms or any sort of animal that would hold things with its mouth or using psychic powers, although such characters wouldn't necessarily stand on 2 feet and run on 4 like a pikachu but I'd be trying to come up with something, especially if I was blue. If I was red I'd try to get some of my homies to defend me though they may be unwilling to go out on a limb once the bandwagon got too strong against me and they may being to implicate me to avoid suspicion. Pika Chu doesn't seem to be doing either of these, maybe he is green and not too motivated? Or maybe he is red and the reds have been told to take a low profile? Dunno. People have already noted how keen you are on blaming and trying to lynch me, a innocent townie. That is the best defense i can have. | ||
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Pika Chu
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On March 18 2009 08:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I'm not keen on lynching anybody. If I was a vigi I'm not anywhere near suspicious enough of you that I would kill you. But the mayor has to pick someone to lynch day one and no one sticks out in my mind more at this point. So you're willing to lynch me just because you can't find any other connection in the story? And willing to sacrifice a greeny or even a blue one just because you have no better idea? You aren't very determined or sure of what you want to do, are you? People should be smart enough to vote otherwise. | ||
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Pika Chu
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On March 19 2009 07:18 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: There are at least 4 possible links from the day one post to Pikachu, the shockwave clue is one of the least persuasive of them so y'all are selling this a bit short - if you find something better, share, but I'm under the impression the mayor has to choose a day 1 lynch so this is the best I've got: 1. Shock wave is a Pikachu move "He got to the door just before the explosion and was caught in the shockwave." Shock wave is a move that Pikachu can learn: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shock_Wave_(move) 2. Seems like at least one of the mafia is short. "They approached Chuiu slowly and he backed up to a safer distance keeping the gun aimed at them. When they stopped he lowered the gun slightly and told them to put their hands behind their backs and get on the ground, then he yelled at the third person to get out of the car." It could be that Chuiu lowers the gun a bit because he realizes one of them is short so he aim it at them a little better. This one isn't that great or important. 3,4. One mafia can grab a gun with his hand behind his back - this same mafia stands up at rest and then runs while leaned over. "One of the mafia complied and began lowering down to the ground, Chuiu raised his gun at the other and yelled at him to do the same. But while he did so the mafia lowering himself sprinted toward Chuiu and with his hands still behind his head grabbed the gun and threw it to the side." Notice that Pikachu stands up straight on two feet while at rest, then runs parallel to the ground - Pikachu would have no problem sprinting while lowering to the ground: (I knew my tv tuner would serve a purpose someday!) Also, Pikachu would have no problem grabbing a gun with his hands behind his back because he grabs them with this mouth: 5. This same mafia can throw a gun to the side without using his hands: "with his hands still behind his head grabbed the gun and threw it to the side" 6. This same mafia uses a tackle move: "He tackled Chuiu to the ground and then ran over to the gun and armed himself with it." Might be a reference to the pokemon move: http://www.pokebeach.com/scans/expedition/124-pikachu.jpg 7. Chuiu is at least somewhat familiar with smash bros, the game the vids are from He posted in a thread about it, I dunno about incognito http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=42012¤tpage=2 #1From that page: Shock Wave (Japanese: でんげきは Electrical Shock Wave) is a damage-dealing Electric-type move introduced in Generation III. Shock wave is an electrical shock wave. The shockwave in the story was an explosion shockwave. Can't you make the difference? #2 He lowered the gun because: a) the guys stopped and put the hands over their heads, therefore not being a threat b) normal policeman training, YOU DON'T SHOOT FOR THE HEAD, you shoot FOR THE LEGS. #3,4 Jesus, can't you even read the whole story? One of the mafia complied and began lowering down to the ground, Chuiu raised his gun at the other and yelled at him to do the same. But while he did so the mafia lowering himself sprinted toward Chuiu. What this means is: the mafia who was before lowering himself to the ground is now sprinting to Chuiu, and NOT that the mafia is lowering himself to sprint to chuiu. With this kind of clue analyzing, the mafia won't have much trouble winning the game. But then maybe Pyrrhuloxia is actually very smart and he's a mafia member. Then he's playing this very good being keen and forcing all kind of clue connections just to lynch a green or blue. But if he somehow manages to convince you to vote for him and lynch me, than my sacrifice won't be in vain as you would surely know it's him who's mafia and shall be lynched the next day. | ||
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Pika Chu
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The biggest mistake you guys are doing is bandwagoning with the veterans. Simply trusting them because they proved to be good players in the last games is a big mistake, these are different games, keep that in mind! You can't know if he's mafia or not and giving such a vote of confidence to mafia is killing the town slowly. You really need to keep in mind that every game is unique. And here i'm giving the example of one guy who changed his vote from someone to MrBabyHands just because Ace voted him and he trusts Ace. You sheep... And MrBabyHands's theory about behavioral analysis is absolutely gibberish. And him blaming Mandalor, is not a result of analysing but more like a decision to blame him and then trying to put together an "analysis". That's called pseudo-rationality. | ||
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Pika Chu
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On March 19 2009 08:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Well, I'm happy you're defending yourself now, Mr. Chu, but at this point I think the best defense for you would be a good offense so I challenge you to find a better target for Day 1 and hope you find one where I have thus far failed. No mate, i am positive that you are a mafia and the best thing would be a sacrifice of me. Since you were keen on blaming me and finding stupid connections that point toward me, if they do follow you and lynch me, after they'll see i was green/blue you will be the next to be lynched. And there'll be 1 less mafia for 1 less townie which is a good ratio. But yeah, still props to you for managing to find those clues/connections even as fade as they are. | ||
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Pika Chu
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On March 19 2009 08:06 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: What? I don't even understand what your saying here. All of your defenses seem to be predicated on the idea that Chuiu can't possibly require clue analysis to use any lateral thinking whatsoever. EDIT: Grammar I'll explain if you don't understand. This is your point: 3,4. One mafia can grab a gun with his hand behind his back - this same mafia stands up at rest and then runs while leaned over. "One of the mafia complied and began lowering down to the ground, Chuiu raised his gun at the other and yelled at him to do the same. But while he did so the mafia lowering himself sprinted toward Chuiu and with his hands still behind his head grabbed the gun and threw it to the side." Notice that Pikachu stands up straight on two feet while at rest, then runs parallel to the ground - Pikachu would have no problem sprinting while lowering to the ground: You are assuming that the guy HAS lowered himself in order to run and you are quoting mafia lowering himself sprinted . That is because you didn't read the whole phrase. Chuiu mentioned that one of the mafia WAS lowering himself to comply with his request. Now there's no mention that the guy has lowered himself in order to sprint OR that he sprinted while being lowered/leaned. You understood now? | ||
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Pika Chu
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On March 19 2009 08:32 Bockit wrote: Eh? Pretty clearly states that he's running while lowered. Sorry, english ain't my native language and i'm not too good at it anyway. But what i understand from that sentence is that the second time he mentiones "lowering himself" is that he's making reference to the guy who was lowering himself in the past sentence, not in any way that the guy is lowering himself in order to sprint. I'll try to explain it even better and will do so by replacing the verb lowering with wanking. One of the mafia complied and began wanking The mafia guy wasn't wanking himself to sprint towards Chuiu. It's a reference to the exact guy who was wanking in the last sentence. It's used to identify the person not describe an action. Chuiu just didn't wrote it down in the best manner, which would have been "But while he did so the mafia guy who was lowering himself, sprinted towards Chuiu". | ||
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Pika Chu
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It looks like i'm going to be the first lynched. After you'll see i'm innocent i hope you will grow up and stop being so naive. Honestly, all the "clues" and connections that point me are very very forced. How is in any way better to lynch me if you think i'm more innocent than guilty? I mean it makes absolutely no sense since you are loosing one of your own, and the purpose is to kill mafia not kill your own just because it's the only one who has some weak clues pointing to him. And you don't even know my role, so you are risking killing a medic, or a bodyguard or a vigilante just because you have no better alternative. Basically risk loosing the game because you can't simply think outside the box and step by the first evidence you were given. And for those telling me to find clues. I honestly don't want to blame anyone. The only thing Pyrr did was find a clue and try and force connections with someone. I'm not going to try and frame someone like it's been done on me, for the sole purpose of not wanting to be found guilty when you'll be lynching one of ours because of my "findings". Remember guys, it's finding clues, making connections and finding the guy that is hard, not the way around. Finding the guy then making connections and finding clues is the easy way and it's the trap you've been set and most are falling into. | ||
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Pika Chu
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On March 19 2009 10:26 fusionsdf wrote: look, I don't want you to be lynched. If you want to stay alive, why not due some clue analysis of your own? If someone is a more likely suspect than you then it makes you safer right? I should point out that the first game MTF played this came up and he was about to be lynched. We encouraged to save himself, and he did by posting amazing clue analyses. Don't get mad at us if you get lynched; its because you didnt put enough effort into keeping yourself alive. About the inactives: yes, thats also a good method to lynch on. Does anyone have a list of inactives? Look, i couldn't care less if i get lynched, it's a game and it's the first time i play it. What i do care about is that you aren't thinking. Too many of you aren't reading all the posts and are way too enthusiast when they've been given a track, they even stop questioning over it and just go with the band wagon. And the second problem is, this stupid mentality of blaming someone else. I really really hate this mentality and i believe only retarded people use this who don't have enough integrity to stand on their own feet and you are telling me to use it and find someone to blame? Seriously man what am i, a 10 year kiddo or do i look retarded to you? Now i've realized that most (which have actually voted for pyrr) aren't really looking for clues and don't even care, they are only looking for show. And sorry but i am not willing to contribute to this senseless show, i prefer keeping things simple and honest. It's exactly like politics. Some people really don't give a fuck to what they say, they just watch the show and think "man, he did blame the other one for being a pedo? this guy is cool, i'm voting for him". Take a good look at everyone who voted for pyrr, they aren't interested in reasoning but in bandwagoning the simple stuff. Throw a bone and they'll fetch it, no questions asked. | ||
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Pika Chu
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Would you please force some clues on that too? | ||
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On March 19 2009 18:27 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I'm tempted to, but I want us to be best friends forever <3. <3 | ||
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On March 19 2009 23:38 fusionsdf wrote: so basically: " I'm innocent, if you don't blindly believe me even though there are potential clues pointing my way, then you are doing it because you aren't thinking! I'm not even going to try and suggest someone else to lynch (with some reasoning) and I won't show I'm in any way useful to town at all! BUT YOU GUYS ARE MAKING A MISTAKE" nice defense. Like I said, if your head is on the chopping block, and you don't properly defend yourself, its your own damn fault. I don't want you lynched because its the cool thing to do, I want you lynched because you've had multiple chances to defend yourself and refused to do so Now i realize my previous post had a specific target, you. You fit perfectly in my post. And you try to rephrase what i say in a way that's more convenient to your esteem. Won't work bud. I did defend myself and not blindly like you would by blaming someone else. I did it with arguments but maybe you were too busy to read that, probably busy trying to match some other clues so i result guilty. | ||
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Pika Chu
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On March 20 2009 00:08 fusionsdf wrote: I looked for arguments, you gave none. You've pointed at absolutely no one you think should be lynched. And now when I ask you again, you dodge again. So I'll ask you yet again. Who would you lynch instead? Where is your clue analysis? See? I was right in my previous post. You only think arguments and "useful" people are those who are blaming others. I gave arguments of why those clues/connections aren't relevant. I told you why i am not throwing the blame on anyone. Because it is too early. If you wanna find show, you won't have it with me, sorry. | ||
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Pika Chu
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On March 20 2009 00:47 Night[Mare wrote: Well at least you must have a suspect, you cant believe every player is an innocent soul. You're right mate, i do. But that does not mean i'm going to make it public until i have at least some weak clues connecting to it. | ||
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On March 20 2009 05:02 redtooth wrote: We hit some nice luck. Anyways, Pikachu's defence is looking very suspicious. It's the prototypical "FUCK YOU GUYS I DON'T GIVE A CRAP IT'S A GAME BUT YOU GUYS ARE WRONG ANYWAYS" response. Then again I'm sure an organized mafia would have told him to shut the hell up because he was basically off the hook by that point. There's always the possibility that mafia just sucks and aren't organized at all (no irc, no real leader, etc etc). Just some stuff to chew on. That's the problem with prototypes. You basically include me in that category because you want to, because it makes sense in your mind to include me, not because i actually belong there. To autopersuade you into doing it, you've only selected a few sentences from my posts, which is practically a common filter used by most people and that makes any sense given by the full post in the specific context irrelevant. | ||
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Pika Chu
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I vote for Mandalor. I vote for double lynch tomorrow. | ||
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