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[MSL] Quarterfinal A

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3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-26 11:50:54
February 25 2009 21:38 GMT
#1
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Lost Saga MSL Quarterfinal A. sAviOr vs Zero.
18:30 KST, MBC Channel


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(Z)sAviOr       vs       (Z)ZerO


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3-2 (ZvZ 2-0) < Destination >7-9 (ZvZ 4-2)

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3-1 (ZvZ 1-0) < Byzantium 2 > 2-2 (ZvZ 1-1)

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1-0 (ZvZ 0-0) < Carthage > 1-0 (ZvZ 1-0)

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2-1 (ZvZ 0-0) < Neo Harmony > 6-3 (ZvZ 3-1)

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3-2 (ZvZ 2-0) < Destination >7-9 (ZvZ 4-2)




Series Analysis

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(Z)sAviOr
All time ZvZ: 48-33 (59.26%)
Last 10 ZvZ: 7-3 (70%)
Last 10 overall: 7-3 (70%)

(Z)ZerO
All time ZvZ: 18-15 (55.45%)
Last 10 ZvZ: 7-3 (70%)
Last 10 overall: 6-4 (60%)

Statistical Odds: (Z)sAviOr 65%-35% (Z)ZerO

The Maestro has returned to the MSL Quarterfinal after a long 3-season wait. As TL floods with the shouts of his fanboys saying that he will destroy everyone in 2009, he takes on the Zerg upstart from Woongjin. Zero has risen from mediocrity to become a star Zerg on his team.

Savior comes into this game with a 7-3 record in both his last 10 ZvZ and his last 10 overall. During his prime, he was always known for his invincibility in the matchups of ZvP and ZvT. However, his ZvZ is not to be underestimated, as it sits at a solid 59% winrate. The big problem is that Savior has not played a televised ZvZ for more than two weeks. However, he has much better practice partners in the CJ house (Effort/Kwanro) than Zero does at Woongjin (GGPlay).

Zero, meanwhile, comes fresh off of a 2-1 comeback win against Yellow[arnc]. ZvZ is definitely his most solid matchup imo. However, Zero has never made it past the group stage of any StarLeague, so he suffers from a huge experience disadvantage against Savior, a Bonjwa.


Sets 1 and 5 are played on Destination. Zero has considerably more televised games than Savior on this map. However, Savior does sport a decent record on this map. I predict that Zero will take Set 1, but if it comes to Set 5, experience will lead Savior through to the semifinals.

Set 2 is played on Byzantium 2. Savior has previously beaten Zero on this map, and even though it was a BO win, I believe that he will do it again. So it should be 1-1 at this point.

Set 3 is played on Carthage. Zero thumbed down this map, but Savior has no televised ZvZ matches on this map. Zero is the winner of the only ZvZ ever played on this map. This is game is really a tossup.

Set 4 is played on Neo Harmony. Zero has been a beast on this map, going 3-1. Looking at the list of the ZvZ's played on this map, it looks like the better ZvZ'er usually wins. Despite Zero's record on this map, I think Savior will take this and either win it 3-1 or tie it up at 2-2.

Set 5: Experience pays off in Set 5. Savior takes the series 3-2 if he hasn't already won 3-1. Zero hasn't done enough to prove to me that he is a top-tier Zerg. But he has taken down many top players recently and I won't be surprised if he takes down Savior.



RESULTS
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sAviOr < Destination > ZerO
sAviOr < Byzantium 2 > ZerO
sAviOr < Carthage > ZerO
sAviOr < Neo Harmony > ZerO
sAviOr < Destination > ZerO
sAviOr 1-3 ZerO

Recommended games: None really, sets 1 and 3 were the best imo.




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Mani's Quarterfinal Analysis: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88435

What's TL thinking?
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On February 12 2009 09:23 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Savior is more than a class above zero and yarnc in zvz.


On February 12 2009 10:33 motbob wrote:
If anything, Savior is worse than Yarnc at ZvZ.


On February 12 2009 13:09 Avidkeystamper wrote:
People highly underestimate Savior's ZvZ. They seriously need to go take a look at his Match list. Plus, he has the 2nd highest ZvZ ELO, above Luxury.


On February 23 2009 09:49 Crunchums wrote:
Damn, of savior / leta / luxury / jangbi / nada / forgg / stork / zero
zero really stands out.


On February 24 2009 17:57 Jayme wrote:
ZerO is easily the most underrated zerg out there right now. His TLPD stats don't do him justice and his only real issue is his absolutely abysmal consistency. If he learned how to keep his "yawn rape" persona out there he would be the next S-class zerg, easily.


On February 24 2009 22:45 baubo wrote:
When it comes to control, Zero > Savior. So I'd currently give Zero the edge too in this matchup. Of course, Zero is unpredictable and can implode. But skills wise, he is better at ZvZ. Because unfortunately, Savior's superior game sense and macro is minimized in this matchup.


On February 25 2009 12:12 Jaksiel wrote:
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On February 25 2009 10:38 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Implode as suck really hard since he has no experience and fluctuates like a madman in terms of skill.


The thing that gives me hope is that he hasn't lost to anyone terrible lately, like he used to do. (Well, maybe you can say oov is terrible at this point in time, but he did some clever things in that game that threw Zero off.)




disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
February 25 2009 21:43 GMT
#2
its been a loong time since the last Bo5 zvz. I think ZerO has the skills to take down the maestro but the nerves might get him so I expect savior to take this home 3-1
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Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
February 25 2009 21:43 GMT
#3
should be about even
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
February 25 2009 21:44 GMT
#4
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGg

savior must advance.
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
February 25 2009 21:45 GMT
#5
omg i can't wait

11horus 45 minutes ODFMDKASFJASKLDFJ
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
aers *
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-25 22:28:42
February 25 2009 21:45 GMT
#6
Direct Daum:

http://sportslive.media.daum.net/live_tiny/player.jsp?channel=MSL&league=ESPORTS&game=ESPORTS2009022601&home=21&away=60

Daum MSL stream is usually 5 minutes late every week, so don't panic.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8173 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-25 21:47:10
February 25 2009 21:46 GMT
#7
I'm so excited, 1st Bo5 ZvZ in almost 2 years :O

also Zero 3-1 Savior



2009 is over
Free Palestine
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
February 25 2009 21:46 GMT
#8
thanks aers!
aers *
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1210 Posts
February 25 2009 21:49 GMT
#9
Hmm actually the relay IP might be different. I'll get back to you later.
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
February 25 2009 21:51 GMT
#10
OMG
savior in 4
cw)minsean(ru
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-25 21:54:06
February 25 2009 21:53 GMT
#11
Savior will win 3-1.
He has more experience in bo5's, more games played, and more mettle.
And he's motherfucking Savior.
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
February 25 2009 21:58 GMT
#12
ZerO wins 3-1.
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
February 25 2009 22:01 GMT
#13
ZERO GOT THIS

I'm really rooting for Zero, but it's not like I have any objections to Savior going through. All that really matters is that a Zerg wins this MSL.
Zero fighting.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
February 25 2009 22:02 GMT
#14
savior!
l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
February 25 2009 22:11 GMT
#15
Zero 3-2.

Zero takes both destinations + carthage
Writer
Patrio
Profile Joined September 2007
Norway706 Posts
February 25 2009 22:12 GMT
#16
Savior!

and why would you make an op so early if you cant even update it when the results are in? And I hope people can make a "recommended games" in every op in the future (even thought its a ZvZ)
Zerg Bunker
StarN
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2587 Posts
February 25 2009 22:13 GMT
#17
On February 26 2009 06:45 aers wrote:
Direct Daum:

http://sportslive.media.daum.net/live_tiny/player.jsp?channel=MSL&league=ESPORTS&game=ESPORTS2009022601&home=21&away=60

Relay:

mms://208.113.90.132/msl

Daum MSL stream is usually 5 minutes late every week, so don't panic.

Give this man a Star!
Retired BW Noob
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
February 25 2009 22:15 GMT
#18
On February 26 2009 07:12 Patrio wrote:
Savior!

and why would you make an op so early if you cant even update it when the results are in? And I hope people can make a "recommended games" in every op in the future (even thought its a ZvZ)

sorry, savior > science hw
I'll add in a recommended games section when I wake up (I'll read thru the LR)
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
February 25 2009 22:18 GMT
#19
I am really excited that savior is at least somewhat back, but I agree that his strengths are his game sense and his clever macro. Unfortunately these are both minimized in ZvZ. Too bad his MSL run hinges on such a "rock paper scissor" match-up.
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
February 25 2009 22:20 GMT
#20
Im pretty sure Savior has this. He won't be beaten by Zero.

If Zero brings his A-game, I imagine him losing his lead and still losing.
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