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TL Mafia V: The Wrath of KHAAAAAANN

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LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
December 30 2008 18:55 GMT
#48
How can anyone analyze that? haha
I'm willing to bet that about 75% of what Caller editted is some sort of a clue, and the rest are found in the original lyrics.

I hope we get a new song each time.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
December 30 2008 22:04 GMT
#96

However, if you lynch the accuser first you ALWAYS know what the accused role is. ALWAYS. This is crucial.




False. RoL gets lynched first. You could still have been green, blue or red. False.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
December 30 2008 23:17 GMT
#121
On December 31 2008 07:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2008 07:54 Ace wrote:
I hope the real DTs are looking at the people arguing against me right now because no one can be this stupid.

If BC really was a DT, all this time he would be advocating for himself to be lynched. Because if he REALLY was a DT, him flipping blue would have exposed mikeymoo as liar (since he would have lied about being a blue) and also cleared up some DTs that check mikeymoo to figure shit out by the arrival of Night 2.

BC hasn't once offered himself up as the sacrifice. He has to be lying. Lynch him.


Ace its the information that is gathered from it, In the case of the insane DT you gain more information from lynching the accused than the accuser, that is clear as day, and the fact you dont see it, or are refusing to a) makes you the VI or b) mafia as well.



That's assuming you're a detective in the first place though.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
December 31 2008 00:36 GMT
#133
On December 31 2008 09:20 AttackZerg wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
From: LucasWoJ
Subject: Re: mafia
Date: 12/31/08 09:19

LOL at your post in every way.

Mafia. You don't have to "watch". I'm watching you.
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Original Message:
I don't have to watch shit.

It was a smart idea to check mafia from previous games.

Also by asking it that way, you are indirectly implying that you are not mafia which I have good cause to doubt. Don't over read into things, now I'm at least sure you can't that smart.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:

How does that make me a smart player? Watch you answer.

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Original Message:
Sorry I didn't get mafia three times in a row. Thank god!



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Original Message:
Give me the list Caller gave you.


I take it back he is a moron.

The messages appear First- Last - Last-First.



None of this is suspicious but I should respond to it nevertheless. I'm in contact with a bunch of people via PM and I'm taking note of their answers (or lack of) to see if there's a sort pattern (or once again, lack of) Based on how the person we lynch today turns out, I'll know much more.

I'm also trying to see if players' responses to quick short questions (to which they must reply quickly or it seems suspicious -- if I know the person is on, I'm checking times I sent my PM against the time the PM was received) are consistent with their posts on the forum. There was a very specific reason I asked each of the questions I asked you, attack. And you gave me exactly what I wanted with your responses, even your latest post on the forums.

I'm a green townie. I have absolutely nothing to hide. If you wish, come back to this after we sort out the bloodycobbler thing, but as attack told us "Don't over read into things."
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
December 31 2008 01:32 GMT
#155
The only thing we have to know you're the detective after mikey dies, however, is your word. You could very well be the VI (and the only thing stopping you, again, is your word) who chose randomly and stumbled upon a mafioso. The RoL thing keeps running through my head, and though I would want this to end the same way it did last game, if you are the VI and are guessing randomly, we could lose a blue.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
December 31 2008 05:30 GMT
#254
Attackzerg was fairly obvious and 3 Lions went around telling everyone he's a medic. Too bad we lose Ace.

That seems really unfair without the NRA guy. Mafia should only be allowed to act during the night--with the lynch, they could have killed three people during the day. :/
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
December 31 2008 14:49 GMT
#327
Mikeymoo is almost certainly innocent. Half the people who voted for bloodycobbler switched to Latham, so unless a few more people switch their votes, we'll be lynching one of our own. C'mon guys... :/
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-01 14:25:18
January 01 2009 14:18 GMT
#454
Stop posting. You break the rule every single game. You should be banned from all mafia games. :/

Edit: If you still want to be a part of this one, perhaps you should have re-thought your decision to kill yourself on the first day. Stop posting, please.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
January 01 2009 17:35 GMT
#465
Amber[light], why dodge the PMs?
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
January 02 2009 00:22 GMT
#474
On January 02 2009 09:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2009 01:52 chaoser wrote:
and RoL effectively ended the game cause Ace was GD lol

Not to mention very few actually pinned me ass the VI at the time :D that is why I didn't get lynched. I was aiming for a day 2 lynch with mass chaos. We never actually got to day 2 though.


After Ace would have been lynched, you wouldn't have died, haha.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
January 02 2009 00:41 GMT
#476
Had we had enough time to think it through, we would have figured that no mafioso would give his GF away. We probably would have eventually re-visted the idea that you were the Village Idiot, though I must say, you played it much better than bloodycobbler

Assuming Ace had not revealed his role early (or even if he did), I don't think we would have lynched you Day 2.

By the way, it's possible that there are more Village Idiots in this game. That may seem fairly obvious but because the VI is a separate party, I assumed the secrecy of the number of roles didn't apply to him. According to Caller, it does. Someone else could still try wasting our time tomorrow as well.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
January 02 2009 01:50 GMT
#480
On January 02 2009 10:45 Scaramanga wrote:

It was obvious AZ was mafia because he called you a "smart" player.



He called me a smart player, not oczcec, and he basically gave himself away when I asked him why he thought I was a smart player, haha.


In the case that I don't live through this night, I'm going to split up what I know through PMs to people I fully trust. All of it will be done before the night post, so it's not cheating. Please check your PMs and respond when you get them.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
January 02 2009 05:02 GMT
#518
Medics: If you protected someone at night, consider contacting them BUT ONLY IF you're completely sure their innocent (hopefully the reason you may have protected them at night). This will help us determine the mafia killing power (and their numbers), and will help us coordinate medics later on.

Again, if you protected someone randomly last night and managed to save someone, don't bother contacting them. If you had a hunch that they were random, don't both. If you had more than a hunch, consider letting them know who you are. Don't risk it, but if it's not a risk, help the town.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-02 05:40:16
January 02 2009 05:31 GMT
#533
Very interesting nevake.

Right before the night post, Scaramanga informed me that the only three people he shared his role with were you, amber[light], and me. I assume he excluded camlito from that list because he had already informed me that he had looked him up and found him to be a meth dealer. The problem with that is that it was minutes before the night post. Mikeymoo, which whom I was enchanging PMs, can attest to this. I had no idea that you and amber[light] were in this little coalition. In fact, I had created a "possible mafia list in case I die" and sent it out to a few people, including scaramanga. Both you and amber were on it based off of your behavior PM-wise.

Logically from my standpoint, this would mean that you could potentially be mafia. In fact, a few people could attest that I informed them of your small little inner circle and told them to watch out for you in case I died (and then after the day post, but before you posts, I informed the detective/jacks to consider role-checking you).

My behavior PM-wise, has not been suspicious at all. Those who could speak up for me probably shouldn't or they will be targetted by the mafia.

I'm not going to write a long defense. There's no need. You're acting irrationally and based on the assumption that either me or you is mafia. The problem, and I can already speculate this, is that neither of us are.

The only other thing I can think of is that this was completely orchestrated by the mafia, assuming, again, that you're mafia of course. The mafia didn't trust me when I said I was a green townie, and assuming I was a meth dealer or another potentially dangerous role at night, they decided to get me lynched during the day.

Don't waste the double lynch on a green townie and a blue. It's retarded. This game is imbalanced against the town as it is right now, and with the lost medics + jack + detective and wasted lych on the first day, it will only drag us back so far.

I'm going to sleep in a few minutes. Don't be stupid.





EDIT: By the way, THIS?
On January 02 2009 14:06 ydg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2009 14:01 nevake wrote:
I am the zombie. Lynch LucasWoj, he is mafia. He is the only one besides camlito, me and amber that received information. It must be him, and he is dumb. Lynch LucasWoj.

Well if the mafia knew camlito was the meth dealer, why would they send their suicide bomber to kill him?


If I were mafia, I'd have to be absolutely insane to send a suicide bomber to kill a role that probably would not be protected and would kill me. I could achieve the same result with a normal mafioso.


Respond to that, nevake. It just about clears you as much as it clears me.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
January 02 2009 05:47 GMT
#539
On January 02 2009 14:38 nevake wrote:
There's no possible way the mafia would've gotten all 3 of them without having some leakage. Scaramanga told me that you DID know about all the people killed excluding me (I told him not to tell you too much based on your behavior).


Absolute falsity. He clearly trusted me much more than he did you. After I gave him my list (I shared it with Ver and mikeymoo as well), he responded with (@ 13:07)

i know nevake role claimed zombie and so did amber so if they are both telling the truth then there could be more than 1 meth dealer


Even from this, one can infer I know the identity of camlito (I even have a PM from scaramanga telling me his role) and we're discussing someone else's identity. Before this, I had no idea either or you were blue. I honestly thought you were both mafia, which is why I harassed you on the forums + sent certain implications in my PMs.

Now for certain, good night. :/
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
January 02 2009 13:31 GMT
#577
Nevake. Re-read my posts and answer them (and re-read the ones you feel you've answered. Your answers sort of show you aren't getting what I said. Maybe I phrased it incorrectly). You're completely ignoring my logic. I'm myself tended to believe that you're a zombie, as you didn't play like this when you were a mafia, but this is absolutely retarded. There's no logical reason to lynch me. I could choose a random person (say another green) and argue we should kill him for the very same reasons. It's absurd. There is no logic to your thought besides "he was speaking with scaramanga" BUT you completely ignore the fact that I had no idea of your and amber roles until like 20 minutes, a time which I was AFK (ask mikeymoo once again), before the night post. And why would I target a zombie when I know the identity of the other jack, a detective, both vote riggers, etc? It just doesn't make any sense. Mikeymoo found out about your claimed role almost at the same time that I did. Since scaramanga didn't PM me outside of that, mikeymoo was in as much indirect contact with him as I was in direct contact. Again, you're not thinking nevake.

Furthermore, you completely ignore the fact that I knew the identity of camlito. If I were mafia, NO ONE would send their (hopefully) last suicide bomber on a confirmed meth dealer. In case it makes no sense to you, he'd have no medics on him because the point of his role is to draw fire in from the mafia. There are no benefits in wasting a role that is meant to multi-kill on someone who is almost sure to be a single kill. A regular mafioso, if they really wanted to trade-off 1:1, which is once against stupid, would have done the same job.

Camlito was in contact with at least two others, but one of them is a confirmed blue and the other person is almost certainly blue. Unless the latter ran off with his mouth, there shouldn't be anyone else. According to mikeymoo, Camlito actually approached him and just straight up told him his role. If he did that to anyone, a mafioso say, it would be very beneficial to the mafia as they'd just ignore him. Clearly, the mafia didn't know Camlito's identity. Both you and I did.


I was going to try and plan my own lynching yesterday with mikeymoo in a way to draw in the mafia and get the detectives to prove their sanity. It was going to be subtle enough to draw the mafia in after me, but when someone's as innocent as I am right now, it's just a waste of time. Honestly nevake, your lack of clear thinking, rush of emotions and acting on nothing but wrong impulses might very well lead us to our doom. You, sir, are possible as bad as oczcec, at least at causing unnecessary chaos.

Town - Don't vote for either of us. I suppose you could, but those really playing this game should know it's already almost impossible to win. There are 10 possible mafia, one of whom is the doctor, one of whom is the GF. Assuming there are two moles (there are at least two jacks, so I'm assuming two Moles) and the GF successfully converts two people, there are fourteen mafiosos. With two wasted lynches (possibly three if there's a double lynch)


Note-- JL13, I added him, as well as a few others, after the first day because I realized I had forgotten to include any singers/songs.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
January 05 2009 22:43 GMT
#751
Jeez, those voting for me are just stupid. I refer you back to the posts I made on the day I was accused. The fact that so many are so quickly stirred makes me believe that either a mafioso is very cleverly manipulating everyone (the ol' "LET'S NOT FORGET ABOUT THE NEVAKE/LUCAS THING." Yes, I'm watching you), the mafia is just waiting to lynch me so that they don't waste one of their day hits, or the town is just stupid.

If I'm honestly your strongest suspect right now, the town is completely screwed. Three days into it and, if I'm lynched, not a single mafioso will have been killed with the rope. Those constantly screaming (Oh noes! Town is doing so bad! UH OH!) are being observed as well. Peeping in every now and then, calling for reform, and then leaving are as chaotic as some of 03czc's stunts.

I'm currently leading in terms of votes to get killed tonight, and that's because no one's taking the time to actually see if I'm innocent or not, either based off of behavioral analysis, if that's your forte, or making up clue analysis (because that's all everyone's doing at this point. Except for the truthbringer clue, everything is grinding teeth. There's a reason he was mafia: the clues that pointed to him made sense).
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
January 05 2009 23:48 GMT
#754
Yes please. Preferably just start giving out names in random instances and see who is really paying attention/reading the clues.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
January 06 2009 03:04 GMT
#784
You're dead and you're not allowed to talk.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
January 06 2009 03:18 GMT
#791
Caller, how much longer until the lynching?
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
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