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JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
May 16 2007 05:47 GMT
#1
Just wondering what the common DPI settings people use are. I searched some of the mouse threads - theres a lot - and didnt see many comments aimed directly at this aspect. As most people know, the newer mice have dpi settings around 2000, but I have found the speed here too fast, although some can adapt to it. By comparison, The KTEC mice have a max DPI setting of 800 I believe.
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fanta[Rn]
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Japan2465 Posts
May 16 2007 05:48 GMT
#2
I'm using 400 I think. 2000 is WAY too fast for me.
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
May 16 2007 05:49 GMT
#3
I use 1600 dpi + mouse sensitivity at highest. This enables me to quickly react to the game's flow, which I find is necessary against higher level opponents.
JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
May 16 2007 06:04 GMT
#4
are your mouse sensitivity options part of a program that comes with your mouse or are you referring to Windows' built in mouse acceleration feature?
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ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 06:10:42
May 16 2007 06:06 GMT
#5
On May 16 2007 15:04 JimBobRay wrote:
are your mouse sensitivity options part of a program that comes with your mouse or are you referring to Windows' built in mouse acceleration feature?


I set the window's built-in mouse feature to fastest in order to supplement the 1600 DPI feature my mouse is capable of. I'm curious what 2000 would be like, though.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 06:17:28
May 16 2007 06:16 GMT
#6
1600 DPI
Set to max pointer speed in control panel
7.5/10 speed with Razer's software
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Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 06:23:18
May 16 2007 06:20 GMT
#7
i use a razer diamondback at 1600 dpi with no drivers and the windows speed slider set at three notches (default is 6) in 1280x1024 it takes me about 10 cm to move across the screen.

in fps games people talk about cm/360 which is the length you need to move the mouse to rotate 360 degrees, i often wonder what pros use for cm/screen. any wanna grab a ruler and measure? sens is often heavily dependent on mouse make and how the cpu feels like interpeting things, two identical sens on will rarely be the same unless the two comps are the same model
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funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9374 Posts
May 16 2007 06:21 GMT
#8
2000DPI
3.5/10 in Razer config.
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Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
May 16 2007 06:26 GMT
#9
On May 16 2007 14:48 fanta[Rn] wrote:
I'm using 400 I think. 2000 is WAY too fast for me.
you're missing the point. the whole purpose of a high dpi mouse is to use a low sens so that the higher sampling rate produces ultra-accurate movements
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fanta[Rn]
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Japan2465 Posts
May 16 2007 06:30 GMT
#10
So I should run with 2000 dpi and a very low sense? Can I get it as slow as if I'd use 400dpi?
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
May 16 2007 06:31 GMT
#11
Hold on. Explain the sensitivity thing to me. All I did was blindly set my DPI to 1600 and hit max on window's acceleration.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20020 Posts
May 16 2007 06:52 GMT
#12
1600 dpi
go big or go home
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Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 07:48:52
May 16 2007 07:47 GMT
#13
ok

dpi is the rate at which the mouse samples movement

if one mouse has 500 dpi and another mouse has 1000 dpi at the same sense, the 1000 dpi mouse will move twice as fast as the other one

if you half the sensitivity of the 1000 dpi mouse, the movement will be the same speed, but far more accurate to the precise motion of your hand, as the sensor is tracking the motion twice as often (not to mention high dpi mice have generally more accurate sensors all around) there is an important exception to this - if you have such an extremely low sens that the mouse is only moving a fraction of a pixel every snapshot, then the high dpi does nothing.

to crank the sens of a high dpi mouse all the way up is pretty stupid, unless you have such good coordination that you can manage things with millimeter precision. sounds like a great way to give yourself carpal tunnel to me personally, but if it's working for you, then hey, that's cool

in fps games, lower sensitivity is generally considered conductive of more accurate movements. some professional counterstrike players do things like tape a grid of mousepads together because they seriously need that much space at their sens. i don't have a clue how this translates to rts games, it's not really the same type of motions at all.
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
May 16 2007 08:34 GMT
#14
Razer Diamondback
1600 DPI
Max speed in Razer settings
6 of 10 speed in the mouse setting of windows
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JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 08:49:31
May 16 2007 08:48 GMT
#15
That's extremely interesting Zanno. Thanks for posting that.

So optimally, a 2000 dpi mouse at low sensitivity setting would be the best thing out there now. Now I wonder how different companies handle sensitivity settings, and also how Windows' built in acceleration affects mouse speed. I have mine cranked up to max on a 800 dpi mouse and although I can move fast across the screen (3-4 cm, I estimate, maybe less) my accuracy is low - I have a hard time selecting peons in the beginning, misclicking and hitting 2 at once. (I am not sure how that even happens sometimes...)
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TheosEx
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States894 Posts
May 16 2007 08:51 GMT
#16
I was under the impression that DPI increases the accuracy of your mouse movements as well as the reaction time. For example, if you try to quickly select a group of units in BW with a cheap mouse, your "box selection" will start off a bit late. A higher DPI mouse will more accurately depict where you actually started your "box selection." This was the biggest difference I saw when I tried out different mice. I bought a Kesignton "office mouse" because I liked all the extra buttons, but it's reaction time just sucked because it was only operating at 400 DPI. I now use a Logitech MX518 which operates at 1600 DPI. There's a big difference in accuracy, I can already tell. In fact, it's going to take me a while to get used to how accurate it is.

Of course, mouse sensitivity and "accuracy" are just preferences, IMO. In reality, I prefer ball mice the best and if it were not for the discontinuation, I would still be using those. I especially prefered the ball mice in FPS games because I could do "flick" shots much better. A flick shot is where you are pointing somewhere and then suddenly need to point somewhere else, with of course, pinpoint accuracy. Especially useful when you are sniping, someone sneaks up behind you, and you need to shoot them point-blank in the head (i.e. Counter-strike). Ball mice made this easy for me because I mastered the timing of the ball spin. I would just flick my wrist and the ball would continue to spin in the air. I knew exactly just how to flick it so that when it stopped, the pointer would be right on someone's head.

In games like StarCraft, DPI becomes a much bigger issue where you sometimes need to select a single unit within a cluster of units (i.e. Templars within a group of Zealots, or Zerglings within group of Hydralisks, etc.) Even still, I think 800 DPI and a decent sensitivity would do just fine. I think it would be ideal that you could slide your pointer across the screen with just one mouse movement across your mousepad. Of course, that's just me.

And oh, since people mentioned it... back when I play Counter-strike, I measured my sensitivity based on how many 360's I could do too. On 1024x768 resolution, my CS sensitivity was 18.5, and full Windows sensitivity. That's about 6x 360s per mousepad slide.
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
May 16 2007 09:14 GMT
#17
On May 16 2007 16:47 Zanno wrote:
ok

dpi is the rate at which the mouse samples movement

if one mouse has 500 dpi and another mouse has 1000 dpi at the same sense, the 1000 dpi mouse will move twice as fast as the other one

if you half the sensitivity of the 1000 dpi mouse, the movement will be the same speed, but far more accurate to the precise motion of your hand, as the sensor is tracking the motion twice as often (not to mention high dpi mice have generally more accurate sensors all around) there is an important exception to this - if you have such an extremely low sens that the mouse is only moving a fraction of a pixel every snapshot, then the high dpi does nothing.

to crank the sens of a high dpi mouse all the way up is pretty stupid, unless you have such good coordination that you can manage things with millimeter precision. sounds like a great way to give yourself carpal tunnel to me personally, but if it's working for you, then hey, that's cool

in fps games, lower sensitivity is generally considered conductive of more accurate movements. some professional counterstrike players do things like tape a grid of mousepads together because they seriously need that much space at their sens. i don't have a clue how this translates to rts games, it's not really the same type of motions at all.


by sensitivity, you mean the window's acceleration adjustment, right?
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 09:28:07
May 16 2007 09:26 GMT
#18
On May 16 2007 18:14 ilovezil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2007 16:47 Zanno wrote:
ok

dpi is the rate at which the mouse samples movement

if one mouse has 500 dpi and another mouse has 1000 dpi at the same sense, the 1000 dpi mouse will move twice as fast as the other one

if you half the sensitivity of the 1000 dpi mouse, the movement will be the same speed, but far more accurate to the precise motion of your hand, as the sensor is tracking the motion twice as often (not to mention high dpi mice have generally more accurate sensors all around) there is an important exception to this - if you have such an extremely low sens that the mouse is only moving a fraction of a pixel every snapshot, then the high dpi does nothing.

to crank the sens of a high dpi mouse all the way up is pretty stupid, unless you have such good coordination that you can manage things with millimeter precision. sounds like a great way to give yourself carpal tunnel to me personally, but if it's working for you, then hey, that's cool

in fps games, lower sensitivity is generally considered conductive of more accurate movements. some professional counterstrike players do things like tape a grid of mousepads together because they seriously need that much space at their sens. i don't have a clue how this translates to rts games, it's not really the same type of motions at all.


by sensitivity, you mean the window's acceleration adjustment, right?


acceleration =/= sensitivity

They are two different things. Acceleration speeds up the cursor as it is moved. Sensitivity is the base speed. Acceleration is bad.
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 09:36:50
May 16 2007 09:31 GMT
#19
On May 16 2007 17:34 Carnac wrote:
Razer Diamondback
1600 DPI
Max speed in Razer settings
6 of 10 speed in the mouse setting of windows

me too ^^

but honestly, I don't really care about DPI. I think 800 would work fine for me. What I do care about is how comfortable the mouse is to grip, to move, and to click, and how fast it reacts to my movements (which should always always be instant). If a mouse meets all those requirements, I couldn't care less if I had a 800 DPI mouse or a 2400 DPI mouse.
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red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 09:35:37
May 16 2007 09:34 GMT
#20
On May 16 2007 18:26 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2007 18:14 ilovezil wrote:
On May 16 2007 16:47 Zanno wrote:
ok

dpi is the rate at which the mouse samples movement

if one mouse has 500 dpi and another mouse has 1000 dpi at the same sense, the 1000 dpi mouse will move twice as fast as the other one

if you half the sensitivity of the 1000 dpi mouse, the movement will be the same speed, but far more accurate to the precise motion of your hand, as the sensor is tracking the motion twice as often (not to mention high dpi mice have generally more accurate sensors all around) there is an important exception to this - if you have such an extremely low sens that the mouse is only moving a fraction of a pixel every snapshot, then the high dpi does nothing.

to crank the sens of a high dpi mouse all the way up is pretty stupid, unless you have such good coordination that you can manage things with millimeter precision. sounds like a great way to give yourself carpal tunnel to me personally, but if it's working for you, then hey, that's cool

in fps games, lower sensitivity is generally considered conductive of more accurate movements. some professional counterstrike players do things like tape a grid of mousepads together because they seriously need that much space at their sens. i don't have a clue how this translates to rts games, it's not really the same type of motions at all.


by sensitivity, you mean the window's acceleration adjustment, right?


acceleration =/= sensitivity

They are two different things. Acceleration speeds up the cursor as it is moved. Sensitivity is the base speed. Acceleration is bad.


I like acceleration. It has its place because if you get used to the nuance of it, you can move the cursor slow or fast rather than always at the same speed. For me thats nice in Starcraft.

However acceleration between mouse drivers tends to vary alot so switching mice if you play with it is fucking gay. ;` [ Most people will probably agree that they dont like it though.

Edit: I also use 1600dpi with the settings all pretty low in the razer config. About 4.5 for sensitivity, 3.5 speed and 2.5 accel.
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