Shin Megami Tensei: The Devil Inside Mafia

On February 16 2016 20:31 Palmar wrote:
List of mafia:

Trfel for TMI on my alignment and something I can't remember
Breshke for 100% mafia
Tumblewood for complaining
sicklucker for complaining about useless day
Tictock for sheeping other people when he knows he's best player

On February 17 2016 01:35 Palmar wrote:

essentially I'm confirmed town now. Kush under this nick has 100% record of being completely fucking wrong on me, so thanks bro.

On February 17 2016 08:14 Trfel wrote:
Oh yeah, and people get mad at me when I say who I'm suspicious of without posting reasons.

The Shining still hasn't come back, to me this makes his posts feel a bit dry. Suddenly vanishing, in addition to still not having come back, while seeming to be interested in his sicklucker read earlier, feels off to me, however it's quite early in the game and it's possible that he's just suddenly busy or a bit disinterested for some reason.

On February 17 2016 09:32 rsoultin wrote:
not lynching the truffle ^^ he sounded like a truffle

what does a truffle sound like?

truffle sounds like a truffle in this game

#circularreasoningftw

also not lynching a breshke...so i saw the points on shapelog, eden...the thing that was bugging me about his posting was it almost seemed over the top, like he's trying to sound cheery when he isn't. also, he clearly didn't understand what you were getting at lol >< if he didn't realize that any millers in the game would be aware millers

disclaimer: i don't think i've ever played with shapelog, so the toneread is meh probably. for those who have played with him, is he always this OMG OMG sunshine!!! hahahaha!

2nd disclaimer: dumbtell lol...of course scum can also fail to read the op but eh

On February 17 2016 11:11 Tumblewood wrote:
@rsoul : I the only people I have any real insight on are Trfel, Eden (town), Tictock, kush (townlean), you, Shapelog (null), Palmar, SL (scum).
The other four have been too absent for my tastes... Breshke has been moderately active, stay tuned for a filter dive.

On February 17 2016 11:17 rsoultin wrote:


lol yeah it's like your palmar one i know ^^

i can explain it more...essentially you approached eden in a way that meets my understanding of your core personality, in the way that you're apologetic and deferential and, yes, self-depreciating

this is something i see way more often in your town games than in your scum games (though i don't remember ever seeing it in your scum games lol >< except maybe in a wall of text buried somewhere)

like, seriously >< you sit there and tell me in your last game where your reads were mostly spot on that you're doing something wrong because you can't get people to listen to you? lol where is the fun TL mafia arrogance the rest of us have? but it's what makes truffle a truffle

On February 17 2016 14:46 The Shining wrote:


Ah yeah the no explanation is questionable. I dont want to give him an out here but you have approx the same filter length as someone else higher up on his town list, Shape. Maybe he doesn't think you're quite spamming yet?

Scott, are these 2 spamming?

On February 17 2016 17:20 Eden1892 wrote:
Don't like Shining's reads now that I bothered to read the larger post.

Not with the conclusions -- nobody is screaming lock-scum to me either -- but it felt like he came to null/null-ish conclusions about several players despite posting enough info to come to a firmer conclusion.

Like comparing his reads to mine, since we both ended up not having a lot of clear suspects, I make it clear what I find suspicious or not suspicious about people, and what I find validating or not validating about people. People don't do scummy and townie things, or at least, I don't think they have yet in this game. Look at this...



Basically, he lists a lot of reasons to like Tictock. He likes Tictock's town reads, and maybe only has real issues with how Tictock came to the GB read. But then he says that because Tictock doesn't have clear scumreads, that Tictock is a scum lean? I don't get how a guy can be considered to be pretty townie based off of having a lot of reasonable townreads, but then can end up being net-scummy due to not having clear scumreads.

It'd seem to me that you would conclude that the unclear scum reads is a big red flag, mafia can just make up reasons to townread people (especially if you agree with those reads and think the people being townread are actually town, then they're just saying correct things which is easy to do), and so the townreads don't mean anything and he's clear scum.

Or, you would say that the townreads are a great reason to townread him early, because they make sense and show that he's engaged with the game. At that point, it would be more reasonable to assume that a relative lack of scumreads is the byproduct of an early game without anybody doing anything obviously suspicious, and is NAI.

But surely you can't just say both things and call it virtually a wash (slight scum lean)? If either of them didn't matter you would conclude the other one is important and read Tictock accordingly. If both didn't matter then you would just not have a read. And they're not really constructed in a way that you can think both do matter -- since both of them are good reasons to read someone a certain way, and both lead to divergent conclusions, it stands to reason that one of them is wrong and thus shouldn't matter, and that, coming to this realization, you would review the player and decide which one matters.

I felt several of his reads that conclude null/null-ish have similar issues: he describes various behaviors by the player that look like they would be alignment-indicative, but they conclude opposite things, so instead of digging into the players in more depth and detail to resolve the divergent conclusions, he just calls them "null" overall even though they shouldn't be null. He's cited enough behaviors to come to some conclusion about a player, but then manages not to do so.

Coupled with the posting style -- few, longer posts, with minimal proactive interaction -- I'm actually inclined to think this guy could be a good lynch.

On February 18 2016 05:59 disformation wrote:


Palmar (4): nooniansoong, sicklucker, Shapelog, rsoultin, sicklucker, Tictock, Eden1892, Tumblewood
scott31337 (4): sicklucker, Trfel, Breshke, rsoultin, sicklucker
GlowingBear(2): nooniansoong, scott31337, nooniansoong
Breshke(1): Palmar
Tumblewood (1): The Shining, sicklucker
nooniansoong (1): GlowinBear
Trfel (0): Shapelog
Eden1892 (0): Trfel, sicklucker
Sicklucker(0): Tictock, Palmar, GlowingBear, Shapelog
The Shining (0): Eden1892, sicklucker
Shapelog (0): rsoultin, Trfel, nooniansoong, Breshke, Tumblewood

Not Voting (0):

At this time, Palmar is slated to be lynched.
Day 1 ends in on 21:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.

On February 21 2016 02:52 rsoultin wrote:
seriously, i'm leaving for D&D and lunch now

but here's my problem, truffle, shape, everyone

i have been trying very hard to ignore and not get pissed off at all the scumreads over paranoia, unicorns and rainbows, toilet paper and farts on the wind. you may notice how little i've even said anything about any of it >< but it does piss me the fuck off that i can't even play a game on this site anymore without everyone suspecting me all the time for NOTHING, because YOU PEOPLE think i'm capable of anything as scum

i can't be here next cycle for EoD. if we lynch town here and you fucktards persist on scumreading me over paranoia, town will 100% lose this game without lynching a single scum, and the only thing i hate worse than being mislynched is being mislynched in fucking lylo by my friends and hard townreads ><

this is EXACTLY why i stopped playing while in school last year

so if you idiots can't figure out how to play mafia and actually make reads based on more than OMG rsoul looks town but she could be MAFIAS! cause -insert tunneled narrative w/ no evidence- or -she looks town but she can do anything as mafia- do it now

breshke
shinking
truffle
shape

right now. lynch me now so i don't have to put more emotion/effort into a game and let my schoolwork suffer when you're gonna lynch me anyway for nothing but paranoia ^^

or grow a couple brain cells and learn to fucking play the game

cause i tell you one thing, i will 100% not fight any fucking lynch on me anymore that is over paranoia. it's not worth it, not the tears, the headaches, or the potential ulcers

if you have a REAL accusation or question i'll address it but i will 100% let you fucktards lynch me over nothing without lifting a god-damn finger if you persist on this idiocy

and i strongly suggest you do it today rather than in lylo ^^ i'll call you all idiots and bad either way but at least this way you'll have another chance at actually winning the game

shape, i can just read how things will go >< and i'm not going to simply not go to school next cycle just so we don't lose the game because y'all are being morons. so yes, i'm angry. and yes, if you're gonna push me over unsupported narrative bullshit instead of actually playing the game, pull the trigger now so you have a chance to get out of your fucking demented tunneled mindset where you're playing off of WRONG pre-flipped associations ^^

i'll be back before flip -_-