EPTTL Mafia LXXIII: The Nutcracker
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Anyway, Koshi is the only one acting towny. I think he’s funny and I like his critical eye (Kusgate). I think his alternate lynch on Rels is interesting. Whether Koshi wants to lynch him or just pressure him, I think that benefits town. I’m thinking about Shapelog. The first half of his filter I can’t help but think he’s just parroting and talking to talk. Then he has to “reread my filter” (#182 pg 10) which I think is super weird unless he’s mafia. He then talks about TT in a scummy way but ends with “null”. If he found it null, why not just say “meh, I don’t see the case” or something? Why the big post? Sukrit is in some ways like Shapelog. But different somehow too. I personally think Koshi’s post about he’s going to be useless and then a few posts later actually delivers makes Koshi towny more than scummy. Yet, Sukrit appears driven to lynch him because he’s convinced Koshi is mafia. I will think about him more later. No one else has done anything interesting. | ||
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On December 15 2015 07:29 Shapelog wrote: Yeah me too. Tubesock seems like a helpful individual too Wut? | ||
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On December 15 2015 09:43 Koshi wrote: Why is my alternate lynch on Rels interesting? I like it. It seems to come from no where (he posted once saying he'd be useless). I'm not convinced you are pushing him because you really think he's mafia. But I think you know it will motivate him to play. Which helps town out even if he's mafia. I also don't think you would pick him as a target if you were mafia. There are too many others that would be easier. | ||
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On December 15 2015 09:52 Sukrit wrote: Tube you are talking jibberish how am I even remotely similar to Shape? I am acutally feeling he is the lynch today Mostly, felt like you were talking to talk. I don't agree with your Koshi assesment, so that doesn't help. | ||
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On December 15 2015 09:59 LightningStrike wrote: Shape can you give me your thoughts cleary now that you did sleep? Tubesocks I missed you! What your thoughts on Kashi and that smurf guy? I missed you too brother! I like Koshi. I think he's hilarious which probably clouds judgement. I shouldn't but I do like his "i'm not going to play" and then shortly after actually plays. I guess it's why I'm not towning Sukrit either. Since we obviously disagree on that point. I do like his attitude to lynch Rels (although I'd personally wait on him). While I think Koshi probably has balls to do this as mafia, I think the circumstances this game make it a high risk low reward play. I can't tell if Sukrit is pressuring or searching for momentum for a lynch. I think the initial vote on you was pure pressure (duh) but I don't think that's true about his vote on Koshi. He seems to believe Koshi really is mafia. He then voted TT for pressure and now is talking about Shapelog as the lynch. I am tending to think though that if it wasn't for his "certainty" if you will about Koshi I probably would like Sukrit. | ||
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On December 15 2015 10:04 Sukrit wrote: Also ##Unvote ##Vote: Shape I'm slow. Can you elaborate on why you are voting Shape? I'm only seeing his different standards judging you and Koshi and his defensiveness. | ||
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On December 15 2015 14:38 ritoky wrote: he went derpies over a missed joke backed up by 0 setup knowledge against a strong player in damdred. he is town. there are levels to this game. my read may be on another level if you don't get it. Help me get to your level. I don't think he went "against" Damdred. He says it's a bit far fetched and that he took a note of it being possible and moved on. I agree with Sukrit that both sides make setup mistakes. He then talked primarily about Koshi and Sukrit. Maybe I'm thinking that going against someone is more like how Sukrit is on Koshi or you are on TT? Even counting this as towny points, you can't say the rest of his posts are any good. Is this really the only thing you are looking at in evaluating Shapelog? | ||
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GiygaS anything new in your notes? Who do you want to lynch? | ||
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##Vote: Rels | ||
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On December 15 2015 15:47 GlowingBear wrote: Drunk senses say we should lynxh Koshi Don't get me wrong, my best theories were drunk theories but Koshimizu doesn't seem mafia at all. What makes you think so? | ||
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On December 15 2015 15:55 GlowingBear wrote: My drunk senses are like the spider senses of Spider-Man . They don't have trasons. Reasons. They feel So basically, so far this game you are only interested in smurf hunting (which is over). Are you going to contribute at all? | ||
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Tubesock GlowingBear Koshi - had an entire post in CAPS LOCK. Ritoky Sukrit TicTock LightningStrike - 1/2 Koshitownness since his post was only 1/2 CAPS lock. Null/mafia not necessarily in order but kinda Shapelog Damdred Rels GiygaS Kushm4sta Vivax Shapelog I have the same suspicions everyone else does/did. I haven't really studied his filter to see what he's done after the heat was off him. Or what he did eod other than vote Kush. Damdred I read Damdred's filter solely because of the GB hammer. I didn't like the shenanies but I have seen Damdred do that multiple times as town. Damdred doesn't address GB or Kush at all in his filter and only mentions Vivax with T-4 minutes to EOD. I think he had about 2 reads. I think Rels is right taht he is disinterested in the game. I disagree that it is mafia motivated though. Damdred in my eyes is like Marv/Palmar/Holyflare/BH, if they are alive d4 it's because they are mafia. Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games. Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one). After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's. I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately. I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read. The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy. GiygaS I liked his Rels points. That's pretty much all he's done. Even rereading his filter I didn't see anything that jumps out in either direction. I liked that he didn't seem too phased during kusgate 2015. For the record I don't think anyone who read my filter would think I sheeped GiygaS on Rels. Did G reaffirm and add to things? Yes. Another Rels exaggeration. Kushm4sta knowing his alignment helps me think more about Rels. Associative reads BAD mmmkay. But he's done jackshit. I think I've read or played with him in 3 games. He was anti-town in all of them. I think copcheck/poe him later. Vivax has like 4 posts all "I'm sheeping Koshi". | ||
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Is your list towniest to scummiest? Does Damdred as mafia do crazy eod plays? | ||
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On December 17 2015 00:09 Rels wrote: This TS case on me means he's probably scum. He listed a bunch of reasons that don't make me scum; two of which are so obviously NAI that if he had thought about them for 10 seconds he wouldn't have writtent them; and the first reason doesn't make sense. + Show Spoiler + On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. You semi townread LS for the exact reason I do. But for some reason it makes me scum because "town Rels doesn't back off fights". Well, I don't often back down fights as either alignements, as you should know since apparently you read one of my scum game. So I have two problems with town!you believing the above: - Scumreading me for townreading LS based on a caps post; but at the same time half townreading LS for said post - Saying me backing off fights is my scum meta when you say you've read a scum game of mine Are you insinuating I'm scum with Onegu ? 'cause that is the only way I could had "cheated" on that; if I was scum and he was town, I wouldn't have an easier way to find the info than if I was town. If the answer is YES; it's inconsistent with your Onegu townread, so I won't consider it. If the answer is NO; as proved above, this is not alignement indicative. So you wrote something that look good but has no impact of my alignement in a series a reason as to why I am scum. What are you talking about, and why is this not in the LS explanation ? 1 - even if it was true, so ? 2 - you coincidentally forgets that I was OK lynching TT until he looked better at EOD. I've said what I thought. You agree with the facts as seen by your part on Damdred, you kinda disagree with the conclusion. I don't see how I can be opportunistic when you don't find Damdred town; please show me where I'm opportunistic BTW. If both GB and kush are town, scum are more likely to not care about the lynch. Me pushing more for kush doesn't make me town, but it clearly doesn't make me scum either. Yep. I can be mafia and I can not be. So that is another NAI point in your case, that you say is NAI. The caps lock reasons are pure teasing you. What you are saying is that I am also solely TRing Koshi because he had 1 post near EOD that was all caps lock. That's silly. I am most definitely NOT TRing LS because he had half a post that was caps. But I did want to check it. First I saw he didn't use it as scum but then I wondered if he did as town. So, I checked that too. I still think it's a silly reason so I made fun of you for it. For the record I TR LS for his comfortable tone and he has a bigger filter than I think mafiaLS would. I may have stated before but for LS I don't pay too much attention until D2.5/3 because then he is OBVIOUS. His caps lock statement was NAI. Even though he hasn't done it in his 4 scum games, I think he's entirely capable of it. So it's NAI, but apparently for you it overcomes a SHOCKING difference. The time it took me to do the above made me think how long it would have taken me to find out Sukrit's identity. I'm more curious to hear how you did it. It would take me days so there must be a trick. But the point is you spent time on smurf hunting rather than solving the game while you are not being active. When I have lots of time to solve the game then smurf hunting is fine, but you haven't been that active so you are wasting that limited resource on smurf hunting? Really? At least it wasn't blue hunting so there's that but still. yeah, you were OK with lynching TT. TT who had heat on him from several of the town leaders. Way to stick your neck out and make a bold read. I don't think townRels backs down from any fight. I think mafiaRels may or may not back down. Your targets were LS, GiygaS, me, TicTock, and lackluster Damdred. Damdred is the only one in that list that wouldn't qualify as an easy target and that's purely based on reputation. Then you vote completely null Kush. you didn't want to put in the work for getting one of your targets lynched. You took the easy way. I think townRels would have done more. I don't think you cared about the lynch. I'll concede it's possible confirmation bias but the tone I read in your 3-4 posts "hey guys GB might be bad lynch" is just acting. I don't think you cared at all. Now the important information we need to use this indifference is both GB's and Kush's alignment. If Kush is mafia then your indifference makes you town as mafiaRels would care and probably wouldn't be voting teammate Kush. BUT if Kush is town then indifference could be either and with everything else I think this piece sums you mafia. But we dont' know Kush's alignment yet. | ||
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On December 17 2015 08:02 Shapelog wrote: Welp, That happen. That's funny shit. I'm going to admit I don't really understand much of your big list post. Why do LS and Damdred have to be on the same team? Why can't they be budding the other? You seem to tie them together but you have Damdred more towny than LS. I feel the opposite. I think LS has added more thought to the game. The only thing Damdred did I think is towny is scum Rels and that's probably just because Rels cased him. Can you more explain your town read on Damdred? The rest of your associative reads, seems they all preclude that every shitfight 2 players have here are town vs mafia. I read this post and thought you don't think town fights town. That's not true is it? | ||
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On December 17 2015 07:08 Shapelog wrote: + Show Spoiler [Ritoky is mafia tinfoil - ignoring; D…] + @TT thanks for the hook up Tinfoil partner,not sure if its legal. But it does fit the theme. Also I Post yet another conspiracy theory for your enjoyment. This one talks about the possibility of a Kush/Rik team. But idk tbh if i did debunked, or i am dumb and missed something. Idk if GiygaS Khan would fit into the scum team. And we want to think about scum teams, We know vivax has a good chance of being one. Rik very to possibly. But I am on the fence about GiygaS Khan, since he's read on me feels either forced to prove innocent, or townie. Not that hes right, but he did post pretty good reasoning (although, thinking about it, a mafia even first timer, would be that careless. His team wouldn't let it.) I can see three teams: Kush/Rik/GiygaS Khan, due to kush posting pro-town ideas about GiygaS khan and then had GiygaS Khan post a scum read on the most lynch bait target, me. And Rik and Kush. Kush/Rik/Vixiax, This team is based off of Kush and Rik interaction, Vivax being a afk team mate. And finnly, Kush/GiygaS/Vivax, For kush defense into blah blah i stated this.I'm not saying this is the only scums teams. I just stating that this is my reasoning behind them. I feel through i am tunneling Kush and a bit on Rik. Tubesock could also factor into these teams. I do not have a good read on him and I do not think you do either. Should really work on that. @Rik: How does Damred play make any sense as Mafia? Lets say GB and Kush is town.Why bring attention to himself and try to vote off Vivax? There is the a little sense If kush is mafia, as the sexagenarians(missed spelled it, that pop up, ran with it) would of brought attention to both of them. I mean Rels has already ask for a vig to shoot Kush just to see the flip. Why risk having the attention/exposing himself if Kush doesn't even have the chance of making it to the next day? I feel it's a more Town to nullish kinda move then a mafia move. @GiygaKhan, I feel a lot more town from you based off your earlier post. But, thinking about it, you picked the most lynchable person to make a case on. But I see some reasoning about your points about my contradicting behavior. I also saw you compared me to Sanders which is the real reason why i included you in my post. Sanders checklist: Contradicting behavior: Check Radical Conspirator: Check Brain fogged: Check Democrat: Meh, I believe in independent so half checkish Want College to be free: I remember when i was in college for almost 10 years "how do i pay this off", Check Shapeanders Reporting in for office! Can you retype this GiygaS stuff? I don't know what you are saying. I get Sanders is iPhone for Damdred. I'm not making the connection to what you are trying to say about him and GiygaS though. You're "real reason why i included you in my post." bit. | ||
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