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On July 11 2015 07:07 Half the Sky wrote: Alright newbies here's a lesson then... The key to joining the town circle - if you aren't doing so already - is to start playing dota  If you already do, name your three favourite heroes.  ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bLaHGuc.png) I might have played a game or two | ||
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On July 11 2015 09:32 GhandiEAGLE wrote: My blood sense is telling me to lynch everyone who knows what theyre doing We should listen to this guy, he seems to know what he is doing. | ||
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On July 11 2015 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote: Hi, back home. You guys are fucking boring me. ##Vote: Fidei I don't like the way this guy posts early Can you elaborate on this? What in particular is it that you don't like? | ||
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Sulfurus: Has made a few posts, but only one-liners and contentless posts. I know you are here and reading the thread, why not try to post something more useful? Neutral read so far, maybe slight scumlean. WonnaPlay: Should post so we know you're still alive. n00bKing I was just about to say that you haven't said anything of substance, but then I refresh the thread and there you are! You made some good points and seem to come to similar conclusions as I do, slight townread. Fidei86: On July 11 2015 09:14 Fidei86 wrote: So I guess I'll dive in first, since the game needs to start somewhere. My opinion on the ideal town environment is that it is one where everyone contributes, but nobody spams. The best way for townies to get town-read by other townies is to be active, to discuss things and to give your opinion freely. If you're lurking as town, you're actively hurting your own team. Even if you don't say much and make it to the later rounds, and even if you solve the game, you're an easy mislynch if your filter is only one or two pages long. However, at the same time, too much back and forth leads to the thread becoming unmanageable for players with less time -- essentially allowing mafia to hide in amongst the noise. I don't want to over-traffic cop, and I'm hopeful it's not going to be a big problem this game, but ... there it is. I checked the Himalayas thread, and it's true that there was a huge volume of posts. It seems reasonable to me that he wants to avoid spam in this game. Post makes sense to me, good advice for new players too I think he seems towny overall, posts a decent amount and keeps the thread active without spamming nonsense. Doesn't seem afraid to post what he thinks. silentwarrior: silentwarrior is living up to his name, as someone said earlier. NydusHerMain: Only real post is a random vote for Fidei. Seems inactive for now, lets wait until he gets back. MoosyDoosy: Has made some good posts in my opinion. In particular I agree with the following post: On July 12 2015 05:35 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'd prefer it if you let Grokken speak for himself. This might have been the jail free card that he was looking for.I was going to bring this up myself, but seems like you beat me to it. Although the defense is good, I think it would be better to just let me defend myself, especially because I haven't really posted much before now. MoosyDoosy is a townread for me. TJHuggins: Seems like town to me. He identifies me as someone who has no clue what to post, which is pretty accurate considering this is my first online mafia game (my only previous experience is some IRL mafia just before I signed up for this one). I think it makes sense as town to pressure inexperienced players, and try to make them slip up while defending themselves. Grokken: Thats me. Open Slots: scott31337: Seems to be lurking, no real contribution so far. Half the Sky: Seems like town to me. She (?) has made quite a few posts, with a lot of content and some good points. The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is that she defended me for seemingly no reason. GhandiEAGLE: He says that there isn't much to go by day 1. He hasn't really contributed too much, but the posts he has made feels slightly towny to me. He made a point to flush out the lurkers, which seems like a good idea. KelsierSC spamspamspamspamspamspamspam, don't know what to think. In conclusion, I think we should try to lynch one of the people who is keeping up with the thread, but aren't making useful contributions. These people are in my opinion more likely to be mafia rather than the people who aren't saying anything at all. At this point, these people are Sulfurus, scott31337 and KelsierSC. This is the first time I make a post like this one, sorry if the formatting is bad. | ||
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On July 12 2015 08:01 n00bKing wrote: AND NydusHerMain, who you conspicuously left out of this group, even though two of your townreads (Moosy and myself) are voting against him. Scott has only one post, but you decide that he's "lurking" and think he's a good lynch. NHM you describe as "inactive" instead, and you want to "wait until he gets back." Why the preferential treatment? Mainly because he popped in early on, made 2 posts, then disappeared and hasn't posted since, while the other have made a few more posts. But yeah, there isn't much difference between NHM and the other people I mentioned. Also, I might have to change my stance on MD being town. his later posts seem rather suspicious as other people have pointed out. I don't really buy the "switching things up" claim. Also, the following seems contradictory: On July 12 2015 02:59 MoosyDoosy wrote: Let's talk guys. I want to create a monster filter so that no one can accuse me of Mafia. :3 On July 12 2015 02:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: On that note imma sheep n00bKing. ##vote NydusHerMain On July 12 2015 08:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: I guess the least that I can say is that I'm trying to find Mafia in a different way than creating a monster filter / sheeping cases with an earnest playstyle like I did last game. HtS proposed that we try to lynch the most scummy person rather than policy-lynching people for lurking, and rather use DT checks/VT shots for the lurkers, which seems reasonable to me. I listed the lurkers as potential lynch targets mostly because I didn't have any other scumreads. MD might be a better target for a day 1 lynch. | ||
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On July 12 2015 14:35 Half the Sky wrote: Last post from me for a bit.... You said in your FIRST assessment of him: You pick up ONE post that was good but the posts that others commented on that were poor were also BEFORE you posted. The two posts called into question by others BEFORE your first assessment are: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488742-newbie-student-mafia-xii?page=8#160 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488742-newbie-student-mafia-xii?page=9#174 If you townread him for his posting in general, why did these posts pass you by? The second was about an hour before you responded so it's not likely you were ninjaed there. The switching things up argument was also made BEFORE your first townread of him. To me at first glance, this looks like you are blending in with the crowd once MD has been called out. A mistake on my part. When i made the first post I was reading through everyones filter to figure out exactly who said what. It took a decent amount of time, and after refreshing there were new posts, so I had to go back and re-evaluate some people. I read through a lot of posts, and I must have overlooked the ones you linked. I was originally gonna put MD as neutral, but then he made this post: On July 12 2015 05:35 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'd prefer it if you let Grokken speak for himself. This might have been the jail free card that he was looking for.I was also asking myself why you would be defending me, I hadn't really posted much at this point, and hearing my defense could have resulted in some useful reads. At this point, I had a friend waiting for me, so I decided to put him as town and be done with it. Anyway, when other people pointed out the problems with his posts, I went back and reread his filter in more detail, and that made me change my mind. | ||
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On July 13 2015 05:15 Sulfurus wrote: So as far as I am concerned Moosy has killed himself and talking about him is a waste of time, which ironically makes Kelsier the most productive town since he moved the conversation to something actually important. Anyway I noticed that HTS came to Grokk's defense against an accurate post on him even after calling Grokk out for blatantly reversing his read on Moosy just to fit thread sentiment. What's up with that? Sulfurus made this post, and voted for MD. This could mean 2 things: 1. He thinks his scumbuddy is done for, and is bussing him for town cred. 2. Is mindlessly wagoning him to get an easy townlynch. I'm not very impressed with his Sulfs day 1 overall. He did nothing to establish himself as a townie, and then slips up with the post above, resulting in getting caught. With 4 votes for MD, his lynch was far from decided, so I don't think bussing is probable. I think option 2 is much more likely. So despite MD's clowny posts earlier, I have to lean town on him. If MD is town, HtS/Fidei/n00bking are also confirmed as town, for obvious reasons. On July 13 2015 08:05 silentwarrior wrote: Hey guys, good lynch. As of now, I think that, aside from those who voted on sulfurus, these two are town: Grokken and MoosyDoosy. MoosyDoosy is a little obvious, sulfurus woulnd't go for him if he was another mafia. And a sacrifice here seems unlikely, seeing as MoosyDoosy was nowhere a done deal, so he could have been saved still. Sulfurus getting on the MoosyDoosy train seems like a way to just vote on the most popular one and slip by. He basically admitted to doing this even. Then Grokken is because of this post: He pings sulfurus as a scum lean fairly early, before any of the recent suspicion started. That means that most likely that they aren't mafia partners, as mafia will not give scumlean to their own partners when there is no other big suspicion on him. This leads me to believe that he is town as well. At this point, I'm far from confirmed town. Peoples reads on me seem to be fairly neutral. Therefore, the above post makes me think SW is town. If SW was mafia, why would he be townreading me? I think it would be more mafia-like for him to try to cast suspicion on me in order to get me mislynched. | ||
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SW didnt vote for MD, which is neutral/scum, and I voted for MD which is also scummy? Also, how can you say scott is "definitely" town after just 1 post? | ||
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On July 16 2015 08:28 MoosyDoosy wrote: Grokken post more. Looking at his filter, I think the latter part of it concerning Ghandi is decent, but the first part concerning me is quite something. Sure. I've been reading the thread, but I haven't posted much because I haven't had much to say. My only scumread day 2 was Ghandi. I've been reading filters and such, but haven't been able to find anything particularly scummy. HtS made a good case against TJH, but I felt my read towards Ghandi was stronger. With Ghandi gone, I think TJH is the most likely to be scum. I don't see any reason to think HtS' case against him is any less relevant now than it was before. I don't understand why TicTock wants a medic to protect him. He is one of the more suspicious townie (if not mafia), and it seems more likely for mafia to target someone like HtS/Fidei/n00b. TicTock has been scumreading TJH, which makes me even more surprised to see him suggest TJH as a medic target. | ||
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On July 16 2015 10:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: Give me more of your thoughts on Tictock then. Also please explain your thought process behind your voting and the reason why you did/did not change your mind in each of them. It just seems contradictory to me that he wants to medic protect TJH after scumreading him. He seems to be an experienced player, and the post doesnt make sense to me. I guess it could be an attempt to redirect the medic from the confirmed townies so that it's easier to target them? I haven't really sensed anything scummy from him so far though. I would like to hear his explanation before I make a judgement. For day 1, my list post was rushed and I didn't put a lot of thought into my reads. I was mostly just throwing out my opinions. People pointed out your clowny posts and I changed my position. I wasn't around for end of day, so I never got a chance to change my vote. For day 2, Ghandi made this post: On July 14 2015 08:09 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I think Moosy is either playing a really abysmal town, or is scum. I'm still not sold enough to vote (I realize I say that a lot), but honestly constantly deflecting suspicion with sarcasm. Despite that sarcasm, he doesn't do shit for the town. Why did this happen? It made little sense to ask me, other than I was one of the few early proactive people on the thread and it would make sense to get me on his side. He had no real reason to ask me specifically here, and no real reason to believe that my opinions would hold much weight. There it is again. No reason to be prodding me except that he might suspect that I'm scum (unlikely at that point in the thread), or he's trying to deflect conversations, looking like he moves conversation forward, without actually doing so. Then he didn't vote, which I didn't either because I forgot about the separate voting thread. So this is excusable because I suck :/ Also, he constantly uses emoticons, which I distrust by nature and generally indicate self-consciousness (I'm not kidding it often points to mafia). Never trust an emoticon. The rest of his filter is absolute trash, by the way. Nothing helpful at all; all of his posts constantly criticize other people for suspecting him, while offering literally zero content to push the town forward. If he isn't scum, I'd still policy lynch him Day 3 since based_HTS gave us plenty of time. I need meaningful contribution from Moosey or I'm not likely moving off of my vote without heavy evidence on someone else. ##Vote: MoosyDoosy At this point he had yet to make any real contributions, he had only made short posts, as well as an incorrect post about TJH being an "early bird" on the Sulf train. Still he accuses you of having a trashy filter as well as not contributing. I didn't really get a chance to pressure him cause Fidei beat me to it. It quickly turned into a back and forth between Fidei and Ghandi, and I couldn't really get a word in because I was busy reading the thread and trying to comprehend what they were saying. Then he made a list post where I found a lot of very inaccurate things: On July 14 2015 08:45 GhandiEAGLE wrote: 1) Fidei. Town read; pushing me for my admittedly shitty posting when there was no real consideration of it earlier is pretty darn town. 2) WonnaPlay Lurk City, hard to know if spooked or noob, but sketchy either way. Because its a noob game all lurkers basically stay in neutral range, instead of my usual neutral-lurker range. 3) N00bking. Neutral; dont like his filter but he voted for sulfurus, so the two cancel each other out. 4) Silentwarrior. Shit-tier read list, bandwagonning, lurking. Didn't vote Moosy N1, so neutral or bad scum imo. 5) NHM/Tictoc Awful posting but apparently had an excuse so mleh. Tictoc says he's followed the game, and showed that he was present in the thread, but has yet to give anything meaningful to the game, so he's on my naughty list until something comes up. Most lurkers commit, but he's already poked his head recently. 6) Moosy Shit town, prodding him to post better hopefully he actually does, otherwise lynch for derailing conversation. No more discussion on him because its also just derailing now. C'mon man shape up. 7) TJ Huggins Bandwagonned on Moosy, pointed a lot of fingers, but generally been pretty baseless. This isn't quite a 180 of what I said earlier, because I said in my post that he wasn't scum to me. That hasn't changed; I should have clarified that I didn't think he was that innocent either, he's high up on my neutral list. Just not enough yet to vote on him. 8) Grokken. Seems pretty sketchy to me. Need to chug through filter again, but voting on me even before Fidei did just feels like someone trying to stand out and be opportunistic. He didn't start the attack, so he doesn't assume culpability if I get lynched and I'm town. He also can't hold onto an accusation. That said, he didn't fight Sulfurus being lynched; he voted Moosy but didn't protest Sulfurus' death. That doesn't mean, however, that he's not my scum read. Because he is. 9) HtS Untouchable right now. No fun there :< 10) scottblahblahnumbers The WORST kind of lurker, if he was maf, I'd be willing to bet he'd be more active, especially since he's not on the noob list; who plays mafia multiple times without wanting to actually participate? For that reasoning he's really town to me, but damn I hate how he's basically not in the game. It's frustrating. On July 14 2015 08:56 Grokken wrote: I disagree with your reads. How can you think MD is town, but still list n00bking as neutral? You mean he just casually bussed the GF? Also, what don't you like about his filter? SW didnt vote for MD, which is neutral/scum, and I voted for MD which is also scummy? Also, how can you say scott is "definitely" town after just 1 post? There was no reason for me to change my vote after this. Pretty much everyone was agreeing that Ghandi looked suspicious. | ||
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On July 16 2015 12:25 Tictock wrote: Well I'm currently entertaining some WIFOM thinking. So considering that if I were Vigi I would shoot Scott > Grok > SW I suppose I wouldn't be too upset if I get Vigi shot, but I'd be expecting decent reasons as to why post-game. Also I can promise some better stuff next phase since I wont be catching up or traveling. You have been saying all game that you have a town read on me, and now I'm second on your shoot list. Why? | ||
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On July 17 2015 07:37 Half the Sky wrote: I want to hear more from Grokken when he returns, who is most likely scum: TJH, SW, WP, Tictock. I said earlier that I didn't have any actual scumreads apart from Ghandi, and not much has changed since. I still think TJH is the most likely to be scum, based on your reads on him earlier. The other 3 voted for Ghandi to get lynched even though he was town. I made the same mistake though, and the other 3 haven't really been acting scummy, so it's hard for me to tell. If TJH flips mafia, I think we can move on to SW/WP/TT. Scott voted for him while the votes were close between him and Ghandi, I don't think it's likely that he would vote for his scumbuddy over Ghandi, so if TJH is mafia, Scott is likely town. | ||
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On July 17 2015 16:26 Tictock wrote: I'm also getting more and more concerned that Grok is not really trying to solve the game. He has stated multiple times that he "doesn't have any actual scumreads apart from Ghandi" yet I don't see him trying to do anything about it. It's my first forum mafia game (only previous mafia experience is playing a few rounds of IRL mafia with friends who were mostly first timers). I can spot contradictions and flaws with other peoples analysis, but I'm having a hard time figuring out their agenda. I can assure you that I'm trying to figure it out, I'm just not very good at it yet. | ||
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On July 18 2015 12:13 Half the Sky wrote: If any scummer is fake claiming the real DT claims. Straightforward. Alright. I am the real cop, TJH is fakeclaiming. I checked MD and TT in that order, both are town. So right now we have: TT and MD, confirmed town due to cop checks. HtS, n00b, Fidei, almost certainly town due to day 1 actions. With MD being town, it's extremely unlikely that any of these are mafia. SW, almost certainly town as well. If he is actually mafia, TJH's fake red check is pretty much suicide. I don't see how this makes sense from a mafias perspective. If there is no counterclaim, and mafia fails to nk/rb the cop, town autowins. TJH, fakeclaiming, confirmed mafia. That means the remaining mafia is either scott or WP. If TJH flips roleblocker I could check either of these the next night with medic protection. So my suggestion is: We lynch TJH now. He flips mafia, which confirms, me, MD and TT as town. If he is the roleblocker, I check either scott or WP. If the check returns green we lynch the one I didn't check. | ||
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