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On July 12 2015 22:07 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 21:27 Fidei86 wrote:
Kelsier - if you are running the Chezniu/Onegu line, you're doing it all wrong and it's time to stop and contribute. We all know that you're a very strong player, and not having you helping out is actively hurting town. I will send out the message from my cabin but I see no reason to abandon my sanctuary to the "chaotic" game I created. Groken and Wp look like scum so far . Terrible list posts early in the game.
How are they terrible list posts? Repeating here but newbies do that a lot. How is that outside the realm of possibilities for town? And for people legitimately entering the thread late what are your expectations?
Additionally Grokken's posted more than that how much did you take that into account?
How much of the WP read is OMGUS?
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On July 12 2015 21:18 WonnaPlay wrote:
So, unfortunately this started on a busy weekend for me, but here I am again.
As for my background in Mafia, I have none, but I have played "Werewolves of Miller's Hollow", which is similar I guess.
My initial thoughts are that there are some people who are actually trying to help the discussion so far and some people are just trying to create chaos.
In my opinion people who try to create chaos aren't playing happily for the village.
NHM : somehow votes really really early, without having a solid argument.
MoosyDoosy: Votes on NHM with the motto of sheep. I'm not particularly fond of sheep, becuse in that case it seems like you will vote with anyone, just so you don't get killed during the day, which seems conspicuous. He does seem to "try" to help, but voting on himself afterwards isn't really helpfull either.
My first impression on MD is that he is trying to create too much chaos, which is scumlike. But in the same time it seems like he is just trying to provoke alot of people, which is townlike i guess?
Scott : somehow says he has a townlead towards Fidei, but hasn't said anything since, nor did he do anything to explain his thoughts, which seems just really random.
TJHuggins : seems to be trying to find out more information on certain partys, which is better (imo) than spraying confusement.
HTS: seems to be really forward in his questions calling people onto their nonsense, which could be really strong mafia play, but for now it seems like he is legitimately hunting.
Ghandi : I don't really know what he's thinking, he seems to try to avoid policy lynches on the first day, which I can understand, but it could also just be easy targeting/avoiding death. I don't have experience with this game, but I doubt that "Day 1 reads are all luck anyways" is true.. I think you can really come to some sort of fruition about some people..
Kelsier : So far he has only spammed nonesense into this thread, which is confusing for everyone. I think mafia players like chaos in the game, so in this case Kelsier is doing a "good" thing, by being a bit active without doing anything to help the town at all.
Sulfurus : just randomly said he had the cop check, but I assume this is to get some reactions to it. Hasn't really said much since..
n00bking / grokken/ fidei: has actually tried to get more explanations / reactions out of people which is good for the village imo.
silentwarrior : really is kinda silent.. .
It's really hard to tell, especially since it is in the beginning of the game, but seeing that Kelsier has alot of experience and is only trying to create chaos, is worrying for me. Some others which seems untrustworthy aren't making a mess out of the rest of the town, so for me MoosyDoosy and Kelsier are the most dangerous at this moment..
The bit about me is terrible. I really don't see how you could draw that as a conclusion unless you're deliberately twisting your own mind to try and "nail" a scum slip. If you honestly think that's what I'm doing go back and read the timeline of the thread.
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Continuing to read through thread.
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On July 12 2015 13:07 Half the Sky wrote:
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If you're town you shouldn't be doing this.
What do you think on the most widely (not just me) discussed potential scum if you aren't? (scott/nydus/sulfurus)
I have no thoughts. It's more interesting to have people kill an obvious townie and facepalm as a reaction afterwards. XD
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On July 12 2015 22:07 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 21:27 Fidei86 wrote:
Kelsier - if you are running the Chezniu/Onegu line, you're doing it all wrong and it's time to stop and contribute. We all know that you're a very strong player, and not having you helping out is actively hurting town. I will send out the message from my cabin but I see no reason to abandon my sanctuary to the "chaotic" game I created. Groken and Wp look like scum so far . Terrible list posts early in the game.
ayeeE finally someone who sees what's going on.
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On July 12 2015 22:43 WonnaPlay wrote:
"Sheep me, I'm good at this game" or "I act as scum and see if anyone bites, then I attack them" - Onegu Card?
So basically Kelsier is trying to get newer players to attack him, because he is sowing nonsense. To see if other people just blatantly follow those new players, which means that those followers or "sheep" are probably mafia players looking to get an easy kill?
If this is what he's doing, then I think that his posts make more sense indeed, however I think it's provoking the wrong reactions in a newbie game.
Um...no. Kelsier this might be a townie read since he seems to have no idea what traps are.
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On July 13 2015 01:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 13:07 Half the Sky wrote:
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If you're town you shouldn't be doing this.
What do you think on the most widely (not just me) discussed potential scum if you aren't? (scott/nydus/sulfurus) I have no thoughts. It's more interesting to have people kill an obvious townie and facepalm as a reaction afterwards. XD
Moosy if you aren't going to defend yourself, you're gonna get lynched. If you're town, it's your duty to defend yourself.
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On July 13 2015 01:35 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2015 01:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 12 2015 13:07 Half the Sky wrote:
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If you're town you shouldn't be doing this.
What do you think on the most widely (not just me) discussed potential scum if you aren't? (scott/nydus/sulfurus) I have no thoughts. It's more interesting to have people kill an obvious townie and facepalm as a reaction afterwards. XD Moosy if you aren't going to defend yourself, you're gonna get lynched. If you're town, it's your duty to defend yourself.
Nah it's cool. I'm fine with me dying. I've been hoping to get more of a reaction but I haven't seem to got it. I think I'll re-read the thread and some filters before writing an epitaph for my death.
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If anyone does want to talk I am in more of a cooperative mindset. So if any of you have questions this is the time to ask.
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On July 12 2015 23:33 TJHuggins wrote:
I didn't think you were even allowed to vote for yourself.
Players may not vote for themselves. So the vote count posted on Page 12 is not completely accurate.
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Well there's been plenty said about you, and the thread is not that long. Care to respond to any of it?
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On July 13 2015 02:03 Fidei86 wrote:
Well there's been plenty said about you, and the thread is not that long. Care to respond to any of it?
Don't really feel like going back tbh. I also don't know exactly what you have questions about.
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On July 13 2015 02:00 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 23:33 TJHuggins wrote:
I didn't think you were even allowed to vote for yourself. Players may not vote for themselves. So the vote count posted on Page 12 is not completely accurate.
Hey hey, don't burst my bubble. Let me vote for myself. 
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On July 12 2015 05:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I see what you're saying but posting the same way would just be boring for me and everyone else. Eh, just keep an open mind about me.
Me keeping an open mind is automatic, you don't have to ask for it. But frankly, I could give a shit what is boring for you. If you're Town, help me win! :D
On July 12 2015 07:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:Also, n00bKing, you need to stop creating specific scenarios. Like, it's cool you can think that far ahead unlike me but then you'll just fall into the hole that ruXxar did and interpret everything I do as Mafia. We saw his rationale for why he thought I was Mafia and it was pretty convoluted and not pretty.
I ain't ruXxar. And I'm sure you're not going to try to say I'm tunneled on you or something, when I haven't voted against you (yet...)
On July 12 2015 08:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:Anyway, things are already becoming interesting what with people thinking I'm Mafia. And that's the goal of this game for me. To make life interesting. :3
Again, if you're Town, then I would be happier if your goal for this game was to achieve your win condition, and not "to make life interesting."
All of the above are things I could have said last night, but I decided to give you more time, before jumping all over those posts. So that if you were waiting for specific types of reactions from certain players, you would have an opportunity to see what would happen. But I think it's gone on long enough. If there's any method to your actions, it's time to move on to the next phase of the plan.
MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anyone does want to talk I am in more of a cooperative mindset. So if any of you have questions this is the time to ask.
You think so? Because to me, you don't seem like you're in a more cooperative mindset at all. To me, it seems more like you're already picking up some of the WORST habits that some of the veterans have (being obstinate and useless, and adopting an "If you want to mislynch me, then screw you anyway" attitude) instead of trying to develop any of the best habits that any of the veterans have.
So yeah, I have a question for you: Why are you playing against the Town's win condition? Is it because you don't have the Town's win condition? Or is it because you aren't following the rules of the game? We know you ignored the rule that says you can't vote for yourself. But IF you are Town, then you're also ignoring this rule:
"Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game."
I know you've said that you want to make things interesting and keep yourself from being bored. If all you cared about was entertaining yourself, you could have just gone and masturbated. But this game is a TEAM exercise. If you're Town, start helping your team, please.
If you're Scum, just keep on keepin' on, since it is obviously getting the votes on you.
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Here is Sulfurus' 2nd post in Newbie X (when he was Town):
On May 22 2015 11:34 Sulfurus wrote:
@NinjaBunnies the most important point in this game so far is when Breshke 1st stared pushing on Sicklucker since the conflict between the two has defined the entire game.
Speaking of that, Breshke is my top scum since he continuously pushes against Sicklucker with very bad reasoning (#159 he complains that he has disappeared and hasn't thought critically only 3 hours into the game)
I also scum read Murray due to his weak and untrue accusation against Dis in post #191 which made me think Sick is town since he tried Bandwagoning on him but he has since rescinded his vote.
In this game, Sulfurus' 2nd post was just him quoting his own 1st post, in which he fakeclaimed a red check, and made a fake vote that he didn't actually put in the voting thread.
In Newbie XI, Sulfurus was lurky, and useless, and SCUM.
In this game, Sulfurus is lurky, and useless, and...draw your own conclusions.
If Moosy starts actually doing something worthwhile, then I'm all about the idea of just lynching Sulfurus on Day 1 of every game until he stops flipping Red, or starts participating in games.
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On July 12 2015 12:09 Half the Sky wrote:
On MD, aside from what others have said, I also don't like the comment "creating specific scenarios" - unless you are directly accusing noobking of actually lying about what happened last game, it would otherwise seem he's relating from another game - database on NSM shows what noob said actually happened re: the nightkills so that is a clear indication you were in decent standing amongst the playerbase in that game.
In Moosy's defense (since we know he's shown no interest in defending himself) I think the "specific scenario" he was talking about is the one where he says he'll be changing up his play, as a cover for when he later does not play the way he had previously, when Town. I would not count that line as a strike against him (though I obviously have no problem admitting there are strikes against him).
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@n00bking I'm down for that. I'd rather lynch a lurker than Moosy. At least Moosy is here and semi-willing to engage. There's still a few hours before deadline, but right now I'd lynch Scott and/or Sulfur and/or NHM without hesitation.
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On July 12 2015 12:11 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 12:06 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I'm strictly against considering policy lynches this early in the day. I'm saying we should get everyone to start talking because lurkers quickly become scapegoats, especially in newbie games where lurkers are often people who are just unsure of what to say. Alright, good, thanks for clarifying. I wasn't sure by when you said "flush out" - I usually think "get rid of" but you simply meant "expose" or force them to play. Fair enough.
This could be a US vs. UK thing, on how the phrase is normally used. Since EAGLE and I are both in the US, I'll confirm for him that in this context, for Americans, "flush out" would mean to flush out of hiding or flush out into the open, rather than flushing them away.
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On July 12 2015 13:35 Grokken wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 08:01 n00bKing wrote:On July 12 2015 06:22 Grokken wrote:
In conclusion, I think we should try to lynch one of the people who is keeping up with the thread, but aren't making useful contributions. These people are in my opinion more likely to be mafia rather than the people who aren't saying anything at all. At this point, these people are Sulfurus, scott31337 and KelsierSC. AND NydusHerMain, who you conspicuously left out of this group, even though two of your townreads (Moosy and myself) are voting against him. Scott has only one post, but you decide that he's "lurking" and think he's a good lynch. NHM you describe as "inactive" instead, and you want to "wait until he gets back." Why the preferential treatment? Mainly because he popped in early on, made 2 posts, then disappeared and hasn't posted since, while the other have made a few more posts.
Yeah, no. Sulfurus has had 1 more post than NHM, but Scott still hasn't made a 2nd post yet. The others have not "made a few more posts" than NHM, when you have Scott in that group of others. So NHM remains conspicuous by his absence from your list. I don't think there will be an opportunity to consider seriously pressuring you today, but I'm making this post just as a note to myself (or reminder to anyone that reads my filter later) that Grokken says things that are not true.
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So I'm sitting here thinking "n00b just made a big case on Moosy, then immediately defended him and now wants to lynch elsewhere - classic scum tell!". But then I thought about it and realised that my approach has been exactly the same. I want Moosy to engage, since everything we have on him at the moment is tonal, and could be bad/lazy town. Bleh.
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