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On February 12 2015 08:36 kitaman27 wrote: Yeah I got a PM so we should be good....until one of the other 8 don't respond to the confirmation. Just one? | ||
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Welcome to Newbie Mafia LXI, with the Amazing Trfel!!! As an extremely experienced and skilled mafia player, you should listen to me and follow my lead. I have played in an entire FIVE games, which puts me in contention for the largest number of games played on this sight. In addition, I have an outstanding 25% rate at catching mafia players! Seeing as this game contains 2 mafia out of 9 players, the mafia are at 22.222%, so if you follow me, we cannot possibly fail. As a closing message to the mafia team: | ||
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On February 15 2015 10:22 rsoultin wrote: Since when are you so confident, Truffle? Remember last game where I opened confidently? I do. It was the game where I was mafia. | ||
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On February 15 2015 10:30 The Shining wrote: Oh I remember, former teammate. And you led the openings again here. Confidently. Bah. Its Valentines Day here in the states on a Saturday night. I don't expect posts to pick up until later tonight and tomorrow. Oh, right. Thanks, I forgot about that. I'll let it drop for now, then. | ||
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All I do know is that when people check in on this thread, they need to have something to comment on, or there is no point in them posting. This was a lot of the problem with the last newbie game, there wasn't enough content to actually read people. And Valentine's Day or not, this game hasn't been looking much better. So yeah, I've drafted all kinds of posts I could make, and nothing seems right. This doesn't seem right either, but at least it's honest. Point being, if someone is here, please say something and we can at least get a little bit of material to work with. | ||
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On February 15 2015 13:43 rsoultin wrote: Lol, I figured with all the facetiousness (five games, 25%, etc. etc.) you may be attempting to get people talking, but it certainly took you long enough to respond xP Why not engage with Shining? He addressed you, too. The first portion of the post is directed to you. The rest of the post (paragraphs 2 through 4, though I really hesitate to call them paragraphs...) are directed to whoever reads the post, specifically those who read the post in the near future. I definitely want to get people talking. If the game starts off at an appropriate pace, it will probably stay there. But if it starts off as an extremely low content game, it will probably stay that way. Unfortunately, the reverse is also true, that if the game starts out with too much spam and not enough content, it will probably stay that way. But in the end, I'd rather have a spammy game than a nonexistent one. | ||
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In particular, The Shining's restatement of my opening post seemed off. Usually, telling the scum to watch out seems to be useless. However, saying that someone needs to back up their words after they say this is even more useless. But, The Shining definitely has a point. My opening post does lack substance. Outside of some extremely brilliant setup talk (which isn't going to happen given the simple setups for this game), a roleclaim is the only first post of any substance that I can think of. But someone has got to do it. I don't feel that my posts warrant the seemingly displeased attitude that The Shining is showing towards me, but I can't say that it isn't at least somewhat deserved. So, I don't particularly like the way that The Shining has played so far, but I see no reason why it is any more likely to come from one alignment from the other. + Show Spoiler + And if you are wondering why it took me so many words to say that, that's a good question. | ||
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On February 15 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote: @.@ Null novels from a Truffle are always suspect xP I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt for the moment and say you're just trying to explain why it's null. Eh, I didn't find his post terrible? Usually I make similar points with less words and more irony, since your starting post was so blindingly duh xP Is it bad that my main reason for reading you slight town right now was how you seemed to be mocking yourself in your entrance? lol Yeah, that's probably not the best way to get a read. Note that the self-mockery has not yet stopped. As for RNGing a lynch, I'm really surprised that you said that. Especially in a low-activity game, RNGing a lynch is even less effective. This is because it loses the purpose of creating discussion from a new push, and because there is less to work with. It's much better to make a case on someone who has posted in the thread, and exaggerate it to seem stronger than it actually is. | ||
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On February 15 2015 14:37 rsoultin wrote: Also, as a point of curiosity: what sort of reaction were you expecting from that opening? Cheers and shouts to lead us to victory? Hard tunneling? No offense, but there's not a lot to do or read from a post like that, at least imo. I agree, it's rather hard to come to any conclusion based on my post. If the best that town has is following me to victory, then I must say, we'd be in a pretty rough spot. I wouldn't mind hard tunneling at all, though. That would definitely get the game going. | ||
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On February 15 2015 14:45 rsoultin wrote: Ah, but BH swears by it xP Can't possibly be bad, right? lol I'm not much of one for exaggeration. I do tend to overplay my certainty on things for persuasion purposes, but I find I convince myself of things too easily and exaggerating points doesn't help. (The facetiousness in your opening post suggested to me that you were aware of how BS it was and not trying to hide that fact. Yes, it's a tone read, but I don't think it's a terrible one.) That's why I said it probably isn't the best way to read me. I'm sure there are a lot of tone tells that I give that people can pick up on, but of course I don't know them. In this case, your read is correct, so it's quite possible that it has some validity (not that you can be 100% certain of that, of course). I think that RNG lynch is a poor strategy, when compared to other strategies. It can still be effective, and in the hands of a good player, I'm sure it can be very effective. It definitely has merits. But in a low-content game like this one will almost certainly be, I think it's one of the worse things to try and do. Would you like me to build a case on myself to give you some ideas? | ||
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On February 15 2015 14:58 rsoultin wrote: Lol, not particularly? I don't see the point. All I have is tone on you to put you as a town lean, and everything else is solidly null. If you want to make a case against yourself, that's fine? I guess? But I'd be more impressed with a case you actually believed xP Or, rather, I guess if you're scum you'd believe it just fine, but I think you catch my drift, right? Fine, you're right. Since I don't see much reason to call you scum at the moment, I guess there's not much more to do then. On the bright side, the game is slightly more interesting than it was earlier. | ||
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On February 15 2015 15:08 jarjarbinks wrote: Hey guys. Trf: Low content game because of it being a newbie game? Or because of valentines day? I'm mostly worried about this game because it is a newbie game. Historically, newbie games tend to be significantly more mafia favored than normal games, and the newbie game Day 1 mafia lynch percentage is lower than random guessing (oh the irony...). I think that this is primarily due to inactivity. | ||
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On February 15 2015 15:14 rsoultin wrote: Speak of the devil ^^ Did you have a hot date tonight I don't know about, bro? Probably not -amused- I'm sure there's a how-to online somewhere, though >> I could just google it xP From my (limited) understanding of RNG lynch, the point isn't necessarily to actually lynch the target, but to see how people react to the push. On February 15 2015 15:13 jarjarbinks wrote: I think it's mostly due to people not quite understanding what the game is supposed to look like and how scumhunting normally works. I remember in my first game, I had a ton of trouble figuring out how to play the game (heck, I still don't have a very good idea). But I think that the best answer is just to play, it's easier to figure it out by doing it. So my hope is to give people something to talk about, and ideally, create an environment where (town) players don't feel pressured to avoid "messing up", but still being productive.I could see that, I think my first game (the newbie one) was only like 50 ish pages while the student one (my second) was like 100. Guessing its due to a lack of confidence? | ||
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I'll probably go to sleep in the near future, if not right now. Looking forward to when this game really gets started. | ||
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By making everything automated, players would be less likely to say things or analyze the game, since it isn't necessary, and things will keep going on their own. This means that when it actually is time to vote for a lynch as normal, town has basically nothing to work with, even if it is LYLO. In addition, this method gives mafia perfect information as to the lynch order, and without incentive to post, they should have no trouble surviving a few mislynches and winning the game. | ||
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On February 16 2015 02:29 rsoultin wrote: +1, parroting me, but saying it better than I did, lol Not my fault that you woke up before me. Anyway, if anyone would like to discuss more about the Bridges method, I am free to share thoughts. To explain a little more of what I'm getting at, both town and mafia players want to avoid being lynched. So, they will always try to use their switch ability to not get lynched. In a normal game where someone is being pressured, you not only see how people react to pressure on them, but you also see how everyone else reacts. But using the Bridges method, then if someone is being lynched, everyone else will probably watch in silence, at least until the vote order changes. It basically changes the game so that both sides are playing to survive, instead of the mafia playing to survive and the town playing to find the mafia. | ||
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