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On September 11 2014 19:09 Sylencia wrote:
Wew Rad, a blast from the past
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Any reason it can't start this weekend?
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Greetings! Good luck, have fun. May we all have a blast!
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Wow, lots to see already.
@Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town?
@loafery - a game that elaborate and town just decided to mass role call? So sad  Couple questions for you:
How often over the past year have you had games similar to that? Is it the kind of game you're used to or do you play more games with sane rules like this one?
Do you think mafia will be incapable of giving you positive vibes? Is town capable of giving you negative vibes? You've reached the "not scum" conclusion for Superbia and Fecalfeast pretty quickly, why is that?
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Hey guys. I'll try to pop back in here and there throughout the day but I'll be working for the next 8 or so hours. I can be more active tonight so hopefully some people are around then. I hope we'll see more out of elvis and dusts before then. I assume they're in the same sort of situation as me and based on their location, should be done with work soon?
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On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share.
Isn't that pretty much the only job that town has? To find things that are scummy and pursue them. Any reason you're asking others to do that for you?
You say no one else seems scummy to you, are you suggesting that it's probably loafery or the lurkers that are scum?
Why are you taking the easy route here?
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On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 04:19 Rad wrote:On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share. Isn't that pretty much the only job that town has? To find things that are scummy and pursue them. Any reason you're asking others to do that for you? You say no one else seems scummy to you, are you suggesting that it's probably loafery or the lurkers that are scum? Why are you taking the easy route here? It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time. No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else. Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information.
Look. You're saying loafrey is the most scummy right now, and you can't judge the 2 lurkers because they've given no content. Ok. So if 2 of those 3 are mafia, it makes sense that there wouldn't be much else scummy going on - at least not intentionally.
If one or both mafia are not included in that set of 3 people, then there's some scummy shit going on already.
Any reason you're claiming there's not much to go on when you're not convinced that at least 1 of the lurkers is mafia?
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On October 08 2014 07:26 Elvis! wrote:
I'm confused. You're happy with people pushing on him but you don't like the wagon.
This is most likely just a misunderstanding, but clear information is good information
Pushing for information and reactions is good. Fast bandwagons are suspicious and there's almost always a ton of information to be had from them.
I'm curious Elvis, what do you have against Loaf playing the newbie card when you yourself are playing it now.
On October 08 2014 06:57 Elvis! wrote:
Talking about how "newbie" he himself is is a very convenient way of distracting people from you.
On October 08 2014 07:22 Elvis! wrote:
This, in my unexperienced opinion, doesn't help but rather prevent us from finding mafia.
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On October 08 2014 07:57 Elvis! wrote:A thing I try on focussing at the moment: Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 07:41 Rad wrote:
Fast bandwagons are suspicious and there's almost always a ton of information to be had from them.
Isn't information exactly and almost only what we want? We want people to explain themselves about as difficult of themes as possible so we can detect scum indicators. If we ask easy questions, we get easy answers. For me right now, since it's still early, pushing and bandwagoning is not done in order to quickly push an idea of mine and lynch quickly, but mostly to get everyone talking on something we can guess their alignment from.
Yes, information is what we want and bandwagons can provide information. We all agree on that. Superbia was saying that he doesn't like this wagon on loaf (in that he disagrees with it), not that he doesn't like bandwagons in general (like you seemed to be confused about). I was just trying to point that out but I guess I added more confusion. Sorry D:
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On October 08 2014 09:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
I never meant to make it sound like loaf is town, though I did use the word town. What I should have said, in hindsight, is 'I no longer read loafery scum based on his explanation of his misunderstanding.'
What?
On October 07 2014 10:21 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 10:18 loafery wrote:
Yup everyone had a role and all we had to do was reveal our roles and i think it ended on day 2. Exactly why this guy is town. He wanted a free win.
That's more than just using the word town. That's straight up claiming he IS town. How are you so sure of his intentions?
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On October 08 2014 09:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
Rad, anything else to add to the discussion of lurkers? I see you're thinking the same as I am regarding the low activity players but you've spent most of your posts discussing what other people are saying. Anything from your point of view to add? You mentioned superbia disliking the wagon, what does that tell when compared to the way he is playing? Anything?
It tells me that he recognizes the wagon on loaf is sketchy as hell. I agree with his assessment.
On October 08 2014 10:16 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 03:29 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:As of now loafey is still highest on my scum list but im not sure if he is just a newbie/bad player or scum. Im gonna see more of his posts before I decide to vote for him or not. For now, i will settle with this.] Mind sharing who else is on your scum list? Right now the list is just loafey, but this is because other people haven't been as active. As ff said, this game is moving too slow, and that is because people haven't been active at all. We still have players that haven't said anything beyond their first day post, which was not that much. @Fecalfeast: I think the reason people have gone after loafrey so hard is because there really isn't that much else to go on. His play has been the most scummy like, and that is probably why everyone is going after him. Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share. Why does this not make you point your FoS (thanks super I was pretending to know what FoS meant) at someone who hopped on the loaf-wagon? "His play is the most scummy-like" As implied by him being the only name on your list. What makes his play scummy like to you? Might I guess that your answer will be 'What abuse said but with less conviction?' On October 08 2014 06:18 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 08 2014 05:06 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 04:44 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 04:19 Rad wrote:On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share. Isn't that pretty much the only job that town has? To find things that are scummy and pursue them. Any reason you're asking others to do that for you? You say no one else seems scummy to you, are you suggesting that it's probably loafery or the lurkers that are scum? Why are you taking the easy route here? It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time. No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else. Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information. You found out that your arguments were already used by others to push loaf. Do you like the people who pushed on loaf for the same reason? Yeah, abuse is probably the one that had most of my arguments already written. I do however not share all of abuses opinions and do believe that he is pushing for loaf too hard. I would for instance not vote on him this early, as it is definetly too early to prove that he is a scum. Better to simply do a FoS, as it will give an indicitation of what you think of the person, but not have all dirt throwback that often comes with voting on someone. What it looks to me like super was really asking is what you think of abuse based on abuse's reads. You say he is pushing a little too hard, why? Mostly it was because of the vote. But i also think that some of his arguments are a little more hardline than mine. I share most of abuses opinions on loaf, but i think the biggest thing we differ on is the whole loaf asking about roles thing. I really think that loaf was merely confused and asking about the rules when he said we all should claim roles, and I believe him when he says it was like that on another game. Your reasoning for differing from abuse's opinion is that you believe he misinterpreted the rules. Nobody is using that fact anymore and the basis of abuse's argument is more on how loaf words his posts, not how he read the OP. I'm still a little gun-shy with voting people like this but you have some things to answer for, zen... Just vote, you can always retract your vote.
Why are you so hell bent on getting the votes for zen at this stage? Why is your vote not enough while we wait for zen to reply?
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On October 08 2014 10:58 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 10:49 Rad wrote:On October 08 2014 10:16 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 03:29 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:As of now loafey is still highest on my scum list but im not sure if he is just a newbie/bad player or scum. Im gonna see more of his posts before I decide to vote for him or not. For now, i will settle with this.] Mind sharing who else is on your scum list? Right now the list is just loafey, but this is because other people haven't been as active. As ff said, this game is moving too slow, and that is because people haven't been active at all. We still have players that haven't said anything beyond their first day post, which was not that much. @Fecalfeast: I think the reason people have gone after loafrey so hard is because there really isn't that much else to go on. His play has been the most scummy like, and that is probably why everyone is going after him. Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share. Why does this not make you point your FoS (thanks super I was pretending to know what FoS meant) at someone who hopped on the loaf-wagon? "His play is the most scummy-like" As implied by him being the only name on your list. What makes his play scummy like to you? Might I guess that your answer will be 'What abuse said but with less conviction?' On October 08 2014 06:18 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 08 2014 05:06 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 04:44 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 04:19 Rad wrote:
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Isn't that pretty much the only job that town has? To find things that are scummy and pursue them. Any reason you're asking others to do that for you?
You say no one else seems scummy to you, are you suggesting that it's probably loafery or the lurkers that are scum?
Why are you taking the easy route here? It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time. No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else. Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information. You found out that your arguments were already used by others to push loaf. Do you like the people who pushed on loaf for the same reason? Yeah, abuse is probably the one that had most of my arguments already written. I do however not share all of abuses opinions and do believe that he is pushing for loaf too hard. I would for instance not vote on him this early, as it is definetly too early to prove that he is a scum. Better to simply do a FoS, as it will give an indicitation of what you think of the person, but not have all dirt throwback that often comes with voting on someone. What it looks to me like super was really asking is what you think of abuse based on abuse's reads. You say he is pushing a little too hard, why? Mostly it was because of the vote. But i also think that some of his arguments are a little more hardline than mine. I share most of abuses opinions on loaf, but i think the biggest thing we differ on is the whole loaf asking about roles thing. I really think that loaf was merely confused and asking about the rules when he said we all should claim roles, and I believe him when he says it was like that on another game. Your reasoning for differing from abuse's opinion is that you believe he misinterpreted the rules. Nobody is using that fact anymore and the basis of abuse's argument is more on how loaf words his posts, not how he read the OP. I'm still a little gun-shy with voting people like this but you have some things to answer for, zen... Just vote, you can always retract your vote. Why are you so hell bent on getting the votes for zen at this stage? Why is your vote not enough while we wait for zen to reply? I am currently quite certain of my case. Also pressure helps. Have you read my case? What do you think? Any reason why you're not voting on zen that you can directly relate to my case?
Careless scum caught in a lie or rushed newbie townie?
Well...
Could a newbie town think he needs to contribute but isn't sure how? Yes.
Could a newbie town think that giving his rushed initial impressions is better than not? Yes.
So the question here is - was he caught in a lie?
My answer is... how could we actually be sure? Your case on him could very well be applied to a newbie town who doesn't have a lot of time to contribute (which he claimed was the case).
I've presented my concern for him wanting others to do the work for him, which IMO is quite scummy. I understand your case but don't feel it follows that he was necessarily lying. I'm patiently awaiting some more input from him now that there's a whole lot more content for him to read.
On October 08 2014 09:53 Superbia wrote:
Town has no need to rush here.
I agree Superbia. So why are you pushing people so hard to vote for him? "Just vote, you can always retract your vote." - what even is this? The pressure play would be you presenting a case and voting for him. What exactly could you accomplish by getting people to artificially vote for him? (psssst he can read this thread too and will know who's voting for him just cause you said so and who's voting for him cause they believe he's mafia)
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On October 08 2014 11:03 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 10:49 Rad wrote:On October 08 2014 09:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
I never meant to make it sound like loaf is town, though I did use the word town. What I should have said, in hindsight, is 'I no longer read loafery scum based on his explanation of his misunderstanding.'
What? On October 07 2014 10:21 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 07 2014 10:18 loafery wrote:
Yup everyone had a role and all we had to do was reveal our roles and i think it ended on day 2. Exactly why this guy is town. He wanted a free win. That's more than just using the word town. That's straight up claiming he IS town. How are you so sure of his intentions? ##FoS Fecalfeast On October 08 2014 09:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
Rad, anything else to add to the discussion of lurkers? I see you're thinking the same as I am regarding the low activity players but you've spent most of your posts discussing what other people are saying. Anything from your point of view to add? You mentioned superbia disliking the wagon, what does that tell when compared to the way he is playing? Anything?
It tells me that he recognizes the wagon on loaf is sketchy as hell. I agree with his assessment. On October 08 2014 10:16 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 03:29 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:As of now loafey is still highest on my scum list but im not sure if he is just a newbie/bad player or scum. Im gonna see more of his posts before I decide to vote for him or not. For now, i will settle with this.] Mind sharing who else is on your scum list? Right now the list is just loafey, but this is because other people haven't been as active. As ff said, this game is moving too slow, and that is because people haven't been active at all. We still have players that haven't said anything beyond their first day post, which was not that much. @Fecalfeast: I think the reason people have gone after loafrey so hard is because there really isn't that much else to go on. His play has been the most scummy like, and that is probably why everyone is going after him. Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share. Why does this not make you point your FoS (thanks super I was pretending to know what FoS meant) at someone who hopped on the loaf-wagon? "His play is the most scummy-like" As implied by him being the only name on your list. What makes his play scummy like to you? Might I guess that your answer will be 'What abuse said but with less conviction?' On October 08 2014 06:18 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 08 2014 05:06 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 04:44 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 04:19 Rad wrote:
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Isn't that pretty much the only job that town has? To find things that are scummy and pursue them. Any reason you're asking others to do that for you?
You say no one else seems scummy to you, are you suggesting that it's probably loafery or the lurkers that are scum?
Why are you taking the easy route here? It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time. No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else. Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information. You found out that your arguments were already used by others to push loaf. Do you like the people who pushed on loaf for the same reason? Yeah, abuse is probably the one that had most of my arguments already written. I do however not share all of abuses opinions and do believe that he is pushing for loaf too hard. I would for instance not vote on him this early, as it is definetly too early to prove that he is a scum. Better to simply do a FoS, as it will give an indicitation of what you think of the person, but not have all dirt throwback that often comes with voting on someone. What it looks to me like super was really asking is what you think of abuse based on abuse's reads. You say he is pushing a little too hard, why? Mostly it was because of the vote. But i also think that some of his arguments are a little more hardline than mine. I share most of abuses opinions on loaf, but i think the biggest thing we differ on is the whole loaf asking about roles thing. I really think that loaf was merely confused and asking about the rules when he said we all should claim roles, and I believe him when he says it was like that on another game. Your reasoning for differing from abuse's opinion is that you believe he misinterpreted the rules. Nobody is using that fact anymore and the basis of abuse's argument is more on how loaf words his posts, not how he read the OP. I'm still a little gun-shy with voting people like this but you have some things to answer for, zen... Just vote, you can always retract your vote. Why are you so hell bent on getting the votes for zen at this stage? Why is your vote not enough while we wait for zen to reply? Nice find but again, I mistyped. I meant towny not definitive town. Should I do a full explanation of my thoughts and reasoning about loaf to clear this up? To summarize, I read him null and attempted to signify that by calling him town(y) after I saw him as scummy.
Heh. Typo on the word town? O.o Whatever, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you on that.
On October 08 2014 11:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
When there is a person who straight-up lied to town and got called out for it, why are you ignoring him and targeting one of the only people who tried to stop the witch-hunt on loaf? I'm confused by your motivations for calling me out.
Why wouldn't I call you out for such an obvious contradiction?
On October 08 2014 11:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
You then go on to question super for trying to get people to lynch a liar. Believe me, I am reluctant to pressure with votes but even I can't deny that zen looks trashy right now.
See my recent post about the whole liar scenario.
On October 08 2014 11:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Believe me
No thanks.
On October 08 2014 11:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not one for list posts but even a brief write-up on zen, loaf and myself would be great I hardly know where you stand right now.
Lists are pointless.
You should know where I stand on both zen and yourself.
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No one around? =/ I gotta go to sleep soon...
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Lists allow mafia to look engaged while not being engaged. This is a pretty standard rule of thumb and I'd prefer that we didn't start tossing out lists.
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Yes I plan on parking my vote before I go to sleep. I'll have about 5 hours before lynch tomorrow to catch up while trying to get some real life work done.
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I don't think it's likely for scum to come on that strong from the start. I feel like he got caught up in the moment (which wasn't hard to do with how loaf was responding at first). I'd like to see his thoughts now that loaf has had a chance to make some real comments. I read both of them as town.
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Breshke, what are your thoughts about Fecalfeast? Are you satisfied with him parking his vote on zen?
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Btw:
If you change your vote, please ##Unvote before posting another vote (can be done in the same post).
So are you saying you don't believe zen is scum now? Or you think fecal's trying to bus zen to gain town cred?
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Fecal, what are your thoughts on dusts? What would you do if he came in last minute and voted with no reasoning?
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