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If Protoss can scout zerg like zerg -toss

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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4181 Posts
June 09 2003 06:56 GMT
#1
IMO If Protoss can scout zerg like zerg-toss.Zerg will be crushed very bad most of the games.If zerg goes for muta harass u can make Dark archon and Archon and gg.If zerg goes for lurker =>goons+range+obs-gg.The only chance for zerg will be mass hydras coz even with storm they are tough in good hands or expand with many sunkens but then toss will do the same coz u know when zerg will atack and with what kind of units:-))

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BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
June 09 2003 06:59 GMT
#2
interesting...i dont think it would be all that simple, but in my eyes, it would balance the matchup on the "good player" level. I really think that on the under pro gamer level this is highly imbalanced because of the strategy depth zerg has. Non pro toss cant stop the zerg drone whore, so zerg has a number of very viable strategies to choose from, and toss has to defend against each of these.

I dont think zerg would be owned, but i think it would balance the matchup at my level of playing. Higher levels, I doubt the toss players are guessing that much, their scouting ability is much better and they know what to expect and when to expect it.
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
LuckyCharm
Profile Joined January 2003
United Kingdom228 Posts
June 09 2003 07:38 GMT
#3
Fast corsairs are a nice way to open pvz
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4181 Posts
June 09 2003 09:13 GMT
#4
On June 09 2003 16:38 LuckyCharm wrote:
Fast corsairs are a nice way to open pvz


They take time and resourses to build:-)its like zerg to scout with scourges:-)))
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Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
June 09 2003 09:23 GMT
#5
Yeah if protoss nexus would cost 300 and produce units, toss would crush all zergs ...
River me timbers.
deTwisj
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands288 Posts
June 09 2003 09:26 GMT
#6
wouldnt producing archons+dark archons be a little timeconsuming+gas consuming for a protoss against muta?
xD
Confessor
Profile Joined February 2003
United States30 Posts
June 09 2003 09:29 GMT
#7
is it just me, or is this post completely retarded? D. archon for anti muta? What are you trying to say in this post, your point is not clear at all.
yoyo
Grotfang
Profile Joined May 2003
Belgium490 Posts
June 09 2003 09:30 GMT
#8
Mutweli, building a hatchery costs 300 + a drone worth 50, that makes 350, and it provides 1 supply instead of 10 or 9

a hatchery is actually the most expensive of the main buildings (and rightfully so)
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DevAzTaYtA
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Oman2005 Posts
June 09 2003 09:33 GMT
#9
ever wonder why most hackers are protoss?
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4181 Posts
June 09 2003 09:54 GMT
#10
On June 09 2003 18:29 Confessor wrote:
is it just me, or is this post completely retarded? D. archon for anti muta? What are you trying to say in this post, your point is not clear at all.

I am not really sure about that, I just watched few replays where toss player made Dark archon with maelstorm and when mutas arrive he catched them =>easy kills:-)
but one more time I am not sure if this is very effective
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4181 Posts
June 09 2003 10:00 GMT
#11
On June 09 2003 18:33 DevAzTaYtA wrote:
ever wonder why most hackers are protoss?

I also think that Protoss is the most unadaptable but the most powerfull race,I meas its verry difficult for toss to survive all terran and zerg harras but if he managed to do that or terran and zerg just leave protoss to develope equal with them toss will win most of the games
but this is just an opinion -maybe its not true
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rOm
Profile Joined December 2002
Latvia1208 Posts
June 09 2003 10:39 GMT
#12
On June 09 2003 19:00 M2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2003 18:33 DevAzTaYtA wrote:
ever wonder why most hackers are protoss?

I also think that Protoss is the most unadaptable but the most powerfull race,I meas its verry difficult for toss to survive all terran and zerg harras but if he managed to do that or terran and zerg just leave protoss to develope equal with them toss will win most of the games
but this is just an opinion -maybe its not true


M2, how long have you been playing starcraft?
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AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
June 09 2003 11:17 GMT
#13
hahahahahha, stop making retarded threads.
Nemesis has left the building~
DevAzTaYtA
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Oman2005 Posts
June 09 2003 11:24 GMT
#14
hmmm not that i can fully understand what he's saying half the time but i think m2 has a point...
z7-RaiN
Profile Joined January 2003
United States522 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-09 11:40:46
June 09 2003 11:39 GMT
#15
On June 09 2003 16:38 LuckyCharm wrote:
Fast corsairs are a nice way to open pvz


it's a nice way, but it's not good. the reason is because most zergs will see it coming with their scouting, and once they do, they just power and defend then proceed to outresource u

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Vicious)Soul
Profile Joined May 2003
United States857 Posts
June 09 2003 12:10 GMT
#16
On June 09 2003 19:00 M2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2003 18:33 DevAzTaYtA wrote:
ever wonder why most hackers are protoss?

I also think that Protoss is the most unadaptable but the most powerfull race,I meas its verry difficult for toss to survive all terran and zerg harras but if he managed to do that or terran and zerg just leave protoss to develope equal with them toss will win most of the games
but this is just an opinion -maybe its not true


Protoss are the worst race late game. The higher level air units take too much time to come out and are too easy to see coming. A zerg player will overpower on the ground with ultras long b4 carriers can do much good and terran can over power on ground AND match in air power
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4.Aiur
Profile Joined October 2002
United States995 Posts
June 09 2003 12:45 GMT
#17
On June 09 2003 21:10 Vicious)Soul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2003 19:00 M2 wrote:
On June 09 2003 18:33 DevAzTaYtA wrote:
ever wonder why most hackers are protoss?

I also think that Protoss is the most unadaptable but the most powerfull race,I meas its verry difficult for toss to survive all terran and zerg harras but if he managed to do that or terran and zerg just leave protoss to develope equal with them toss will win most of the games
but this is just an opinion -maybe its not true


Protoss are the worst race late game. The higher level air units take too much time to come out and are too easy to see coming. A zerg player will overpower on the ground with ultras long b4 carriers can do much good and terran can over power on ground AND match in air power

I agree with the overpowering on the ground thing...don't know about that air thing, though. I've never been "matched" in air power by a terran...and I suck wholly.
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ReTrooper
Profile Joined February 2003
Germany526 Posts
June 09 2003 13:26 GMT
#18
Just rush the zerg hard and he HAS TO do what you want him to do or he'll be dead. So no tech guessing or whatever. And a zerg without expansion is a dead zerg, no matter how gosu his tech is. Requires some skill btw... *g*
De omnibus dubitandum.
z7-RaiN
Profile Joined January 2003
United States522 Posts
June 09 2003 13:44 GMT
#19
On June 09 2003 22:26 ReTrooper wrote:
Just rush the zerg hard and he HAS TO do what you want him to do or he'll be dead. So no tech guessing or whatever. And a zerg without expansion is a dead zerg, no matter how gosu his tech is. Requires some skill btw... *g*


you have a strong point about the whole manipulation tactics of zeal rushing, but if u at all mess up the zeal rush..then he will beat you through tech (and thats all he needs to kill you, cuz u spent the majority of your time using low tech)

also, distances from each other determine whether or not zeal rushing is going to be more effective than going tech or expansion, which in a case of being far apart (for example: 6 v 12 pvz), zeal rushing would not be smart
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4181 Posts
June 09 2003 14:22 GMT
#20
On June 09 2003 19:39 JjOnG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2003 19:00 M2 wrote:
On June 09 2003 18:33 DevAzTaYtA wrote:
ever wonder why most hackers are protoss?

I also think that Protoss is the most unadaptable but the most powerfull race,I meas its verry difficult for toss to survive all terran and zerg harras but if he managed to do that or terran and zerg just leave protoss to develope equal with them toss will win most of the games
but this is just an opinion -maybe its not true


M2, how long have you been playing starcraft?

Long enough ,but coz of my bad english i couldnt express myself clearly ,I wanted to say that if zerg and terran do not harras toss ,toss fill its limit faster than them.
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
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