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Wizzra
Profile Joined September 2002
Netherlands514 Posts
June 08 2003 03:21 GMT
#1
What do you think is the best counter to a 1 fact exping terran?

I think 2 port wraiths followed up with tankdrop is good, but often you end up with 2 facts (+starport) when you spot his cc.

Any thoughts?
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Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
June 08 2003 03:33 GMT
#2
hmm, i prefer 3 fact vult vs that, the guy usually gets owned by mines
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
June 08 2003 04:21 GMT
#3
ya 3 fact vult owns or 2 fact
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no1important
Profile Joined December 2002
557 Posts
June 08 2003 04:56 GMT
#4
Fast Expo and outpower? or either above
Veg
Profile Joined October 2002
Canada2945 Posts
June 08 2003 06:41 GMT
#5
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~Drewby
Profile Joined March 2003
Korea (South)131 Posts
June 08 2003 07:37 GMT
#6
But how would you know that he would fast expo?
TheBlownOne
Profile Joined June 2003
Australia11 Posts
June 08 2003 08:05 GMT
#7
3fac bikes suck
expo on ur own
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
June 08 2003 08:24 GMT
#8
On LT, I think what works well against fast expo(its beatiful if you know ahead of time, but still is ok if you see it early on already functioning) is to drop the cliff with ~3 tanks and ~2 scvs hopefully before your enemy even settles in, and then simply siege+turret his cliff. Even if he already has begun mining and has tanks, usually people have about 2 of em, so you just use 1 SCV as bait and then siege on high ground(well You don't even really have to sacrifice the scv) and you should kick him out of expo. 3 tanks can handle quite a lot of ground units from high ground, so if one dies, just bring 1 or two more.

It will often work because fast expansion does not allow one who is doing it to have many units to attack early (while most of your units are on your enemy's cliff) and if he does, he can't possibly mount large scale attack.

Just use 1 dropship to ferry the units up the cliff. Maybe send the extra units to a place near his cliff before you do this so it goes faster.

Another build order that counters this, IMO, is 2 factories --> armory ---> starport. Make a tank before acad arrives, then 2 golies, and 2 more tanks, and 2 dropships(one after another) in the starport. Get siege before dropping your enemy and then drop his main. You'll be spending every cent but it can be done fast. OF course this is a very specific build order, an opening you can say, and may not suit your style.


Anyway, that's my input.

Good luck
HovZ
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1917 Posts
June 08 2003 09:15 GMT
#9
fac cc isnt a particularly good build in tvt on most maps, if u scout it and u went 2 fac with port, check to see if he makes ebay, if he doesnt u can gol harass him and slow him alot, if he does just expo asap and contain him and turret some of the map for scout, u shouldnt lose
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EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1594 Posts
June 08 2003 09:17 GMT
#10
most terran who 1fac expo will usually turret(before your dropship gets there) yeah, gol harass will work good if they dont turret
Ronin[XiC]
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany719 Posts
June 08 2003 09:41 GMT
#11
On June 08 2003 16:37 ~Drewby wrote:
But how would you know that he would fast expo?


scout with your scv ? :o

and/or many people build their barrack in the middle of the map

should be enough time to fly to the enemys main
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7255 Posts
June 08 2003 10:57 GMT
#12
artosis did it vs me in the team usa games and i just went 1 fact port and tank wraith to slow him major while i expoed --;
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Pol
Profile Joined December 2002
Poland1187 Posts
June 08 2003 13:45 GMT
#13
pooper-scooper
Profile Joined May 2003
United States3108 Posts
June 08 2003 14:05 GMT
#14
what about 2 barracks in the middle rush with rines. I know its cheeze but it would definitly stop this stuff
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Ronin[XiC]
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany719 Posts
June 08 2003 14:14 GMT
#15
rine rushes just suck against scv
Wizzra
Profile Joined September 2002
Netherlands514 Posts
June 08 2003 15:36 GMT
#16
On June 08 2003 12:21 Wizzra wrote:
... but often you end up with 2 facts (+starport) when you spot his cc.
Any thoughts?


On June 08 2003 23:05 pooper-scooper wrote:
what about 2 barracks in the middle rush with rines. I know its cheeze but it would definitly stop this stuff




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