EPT[I][T][M] Vengeful Mini Mafia!
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This seems obvious to me but it is pretty important On February 04 2014 11:09 marvellosity wrote: The absolute best thing for mafia in this sort of game is to have townies riled up and wanting to take vengeful shots. Ironically. Mafia have much less space to hide in if people are rational and aren't self-hammering just so they can shoot the person that can piss them off. Anyone should be able to see that that is absolutely the best thing for mafia. Worst thing for mafia = everyone being rational so they can't take funky shots if they're lynched under the guise of emotion or having a laugh. Maybe Artanis is town and he's not going to bow to the will of the people, but if he's in danger of being lynched, it should be clear how and why his top suspect is, and we can go off that. There isn't a LYLO in this game. Even if it is 3v2 and we mislynch, the player has the chance to kill a mafia and keep the game going. The only way the mafia can win is to stir up emotions in the town. In fact this is why I don't think we should have people say who they would shoot. This paints a big target on their back for the mafia as "Should we push this guy" or "Should we take the pressure off of him". After all to the mafia there is no difference between lynching a mafia, and lynching a town who would shoot mafia. | ||
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I just made a few notes on some people who are important I guess + Show Spoiler [DP] + DP WoS seem too buddy buddy to me. DP is really defensive Dp is really mad, seems a little overblown and fake to me. Then again he may just be Mad + Show Spoiler [WoS] + Seems too interested in making friends. Pops a push on DP out of nowhere, keep in mind DP is probably going to death shot HFI also don't like how he is trying to tie DP/HF together Otherwise he talks about artanis which is one of the strangest cases off of spam I have ever seen ##Vote: WoS + Show Spoiler [HF] + Just stirring up things (Which is bad). IE what he did as town in Titanic | ||
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Artanis is quite capable of taking the game seriously and acting like one of the most townie player in the game as scum. I would be more concerned if he was an active townie than the lurker that he is right now | ||
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On February 05 2014 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Uhh.. You need to ealborate more on this because i don't think this is true. I'm basing this off of Titanic II and Insane Mafia II (only games I recall with both me and him in it), where he was one of the biggest analyst / 'town voice'. | ||
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On February 05 2014 05:43 Holyflare wrote: what the actual fuck man? I think your meta read of him is off. After looking back at some of Artanis's previous games he can take things for fun even if he is town. However I don't want to dismiss the fact that he might be mafia considering he just claimed mafia as mafia. As for an actual read, he hasn't posted anything substantial yet so I will classify him as a lurker. | ||
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On February 05 2014 05:55 Promethelax wrote: Lsb any chance you can sit down and give comprehensive reads on art/Rayn/ceph/HF those are the players I am most interested in lynching right now and I would like your thoughts on them. You are replacing into a generally townie slot but it is early enough I the game that I still have some concerns about you (unfairly all of these concerns are because Imp replaced out). Please walk me through your reads on these four players. Ceph has two posts, both of which say he may or may not post later. He is a lurker. Artanis- Talked about above. He has been lurking hard compared to what he usually does. HF- Last game I was in with him was Titanic and he was basically doing the same thing. Stirring up things and trying to generate activity. Rayn- seems too overconfident to be scum. I haven't seen him play as scum though so I don't know if this is normal. I'm cool with a lurker lynch on day 1, though I'd rather go with WoS | ||
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On February 05 2014 05:59 marvellosity wrote: Artanis isn't a lurker. If he hasn't posted by the end of the day (as in, the 24 hour day today) he's given up as mafia. If he does post, he is probably still mafia but we can reassess. He hasn't said anything substantial that's why I'm classifying him as a lurker. | ||
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On February 05 2014 06:10 Promethelax wrote: For a scum Rayn look at ## mafia I can't help but notice none of those are conclusions. Why wave? Because he has been playing a little to much "lets get on people's good sides" to me. This post stands out to me On February 05 2014 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Maybe because you weren't in that game you don't REALLY know, but I am way more aggressive (see Artanis vote/push) in this game compared to Shadow and I believe I stand out more as well. And the reverse about emotion----I was way more emotional in Shadow game than this one as well. I can't tell whether I should expect you to realize that or not...meh. And considering this is his pushpost On February 04 2014 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote: This sort of gives the same idea I'm trying to get across but not quite. Essentially it comes down to there being absolutely no reason to claim scum as town, even to joke---seems much more likely to me to come from a mafia standpoint to introduce WIFOM into the thread at best, shit things up a little at worst and somewhere in the middle they get to brag if they win. And before anyone asks again, yes I am completely serious. I'm gettin' them feels. This is super early and there hasn't been much in thread to give me other feels right now so it's what I'm going with atm. ##Unvote ##Vote: Artanis I don't see him trying to be aggressive, more of a fake attempt to stand out, but at the same time not get on anyone's bad side. Also, especially in this format I am very worried about tying two people together especially if they seem to think the other is mafia, and he has been doing that with DP/HF | ||
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On February 05 2014 06:09 marvellosity wrote: Go check out ## mafia played a couple months back and come back to me on that one On February 05 2014 06:10 Promethelax wrote: For a scum Rayn look at ## mafia I can't help but notice none of those are conclusions. Why wave? I can't seem to find the game you are talking about. Could you link it to me? Also I'll probably be gone for the next few hours | ||
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On February 05 2014 06:24 marvellosity wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=432504&user=raynpelikoneet From my brief overview of that game I just see him hardcore tunnel and derive most of his confidence that way (at least in the early game). | ||
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On February 05 2014 10:12 marvellosity wrote: We don't yolo until 48 hours are up, give or take. Everyone should have more time. There are day limits? I don't think there is any in the OP And no I don't want a 100 hour day 1 | ||
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On February 06 2014 00:25 Promethelax wrote: Hey, if we all quit playing can this be the fabled happily ever after game? That's the LSB omega plan. Everyone refuses to vote (or reach majority) thus no one gets lynch. If hosts threaten to shorten the day to something like 2 weeks we just go "loloolol mafia haz no night kills, they can't do anything". Everyone lives happily ever after | ||
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On February 05 2014 23:58 Promethelax wrote: We should be lynching a townie every day. That is better play than lynching a scum. If we lynch a townie that townie gets to shoot into the scummy players list which we have drawn up as a town thus eliminating tow suspects, themselves and the other player. If we lynch a scum he can shoot whomever he feels is most dangerous to scum. I am happy to be the townie lynched because 1) I will shoot scum and 2) you guys are not fun to play with This is probably the scummiest idea I have ever seen. There is only one way for scum to win. That is to have two days where we lynch a townie and the townie shoots another townie. Whoever is most dangerous to scum is just an assumption that can easily be abused, night kills can be used for more than eliminating good townies It is always better for town to lynch scum (or at least our best bet) because in that case we don't have to gamble that the townie would be able to shoot a mafia. Simply lynching town every day is a great way to hand scum a gambled victory ##unovte ##vote: Promethelax I don't really understand why you are volunteering to be lynched, however if you truely are town and shoot a mafia I will congratulate you. Above all I don't understand why people are suggesting that we shoot instead of lynch people. Yes flips are nice, but are they really that important? There is always so much busing and fake arguments going on in mafia, associations are rarely alignment indicative. | ||
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On February 06 2014 02:52 Promethelax wrote: Because there will be two deaths per day, one unflipped and one flipped. Better have the unflipped one be a townie and the flipped one be scum. We're never going to get two scum deaths (obviously since no scum will shoot scum) so it is better to have the one scum death be flipped. That proves the alignments of both players and gives town a bigger advantage than the flipped player being town because a townie could suck their way into shooting a townie easily while the only people who will shoot scum are town. ???? Please explain the bolded part. Have I not made it clear that town shooting town is the only way how scum will win? And why do I care about the alignments of dead players? This is what I am incredibly concerned about. If you haven't noticed, this isn't your normal mafia game. Scum does not win by simply getting town lynched. Scum wins by having a townie shoot another townie. This is why I am incredibly concerned about WoS trying to tie players together. This is also why I am concerned about Marv trying to make sure that rayn gets shot at night instead of simply lynching him. And this is also why I think you are mafia. | ||
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