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On December 10 2013 13:34 bumatlarge wrote: Are there a lot of new players in this game? My analysis of the player list suggests that this is a true statement. On December 10 2013 11:19 Corazon wrote: God you are ridiculous. Why are you trying to annoy me out of the game? Assume I am worth trusting when I say that you need to chill. Your passions are cute but will not help town win. On the contrary they will damage town atmosphere. Allow others to play the game. Allow yourself to play. Could you explain how you eliminated myself, bumatlarge, jarjar and 'roni from possible lynches for the day when none of us had posted? I'm aware that I am the most town player to have ever existed as according to my meta posting more than one sentence in the game makes me town. That isn't the point though. I couldn't be the most town before posting so where did I go as a lynch option. Why are you so sure that purple/Xat/HF must be the only possible lynches for the day? Alakslam: I'm ignoring your short lived vote on me, if that the right thing to do? What would the kingfisher king think of you for your sacrilegious attack against the wanderer? | ||
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On December 10 2013 09:31 Holyflare wrote: Slam/kush can get shot later if needs be (already confirmed we definitely have vig's) because you can't actually determine alignment from trolling/lurking/playing their own game like they are doing. As for you, you have 2 pages of filter. The first half of page 1 is questioning people. Did you get any reads based off of their answers/posting style or not? The rest of your page and a half are all slamcentric. I understand that you are in a not so good mood but what have you determined about the current state of affairs? I wanted this in another post. A message to Holyflare and Xatalos: do not direct vig shots which you neither know exist nor know how to direct. You have both entered onto my radar for your directives and, to any vigis which may exist please do not listen to the above named posters. I have an early town read on kush and am interested in Alak but do not believe either is a good shot at this time in the game. | ||
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1) kush is acting in such a way which reduces his thread power later in the game 2) a potential late game scum player wants some power 3) if kush is scum he is a potential late game scum player 4) kush is not scum playing for the late game 5) kush is not scum playing for the early game 6) nothing kush does benefits him if he is scum 7) kush is town | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:48 Plutarch wrote: Its somewhat convoluted but the basics are as follows: 1) kush is acting in such a way which reduces his thread power later in the game 2) a potential late game town player wants some power 3) if kush is town he is a potential late game town player 4) kush is not town playing for the late game 5) kush is not town playing for the early game 6) nothing kush does benefits him if he is town 7) kush is scum You noticing something here? Yes I am. I'm noticing that I disagree with you. A town player doesn't usually think about pushing a lynch in late game, the second point, because a town player is sure they they will be pushing a scum lynch and being right is all a town player needs. Thread influence is second fiddle to accurate reads. People like kush believe this. Nothing kush does benefits him as town seems to be true in his town games. His scum games have direction and pride. Kush has no pride here. | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:49 Plutarch wrote: Basically there is no way you can have a town read on kush and have it be meaningful or based on solid analysis, or any analysis at all. Or I am better than you. I have the read and you have not refuted it. | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:52 Holyflare wrote: Have you even read the game? Vig's are guarenteed in the setup and it's not "directing" vig shots. Threat of vig shot = threat of dying and if they are town they will stop trolling/step it up as I assume people enter this game to win. I think you're mistaking direction with pressure. You are correct, at least one Vigi does exist. My mistake. I misread [UoN]'s post as indicating that the roles were merely possible not a given. On seeing your post I reread his filter to refute you. Turns out you had it right. My B. | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:53 VayneAuthority wrote: not to mention that in TL Noire before kush got replaced out he was playing this lurky playstyle thing and his slot was scum Like these high quality posts which were all attempts at looking like he was doing something. And not at all similar to how he has been posting this game? On September 21 2013 11:35 kushm4sta wrote: fuck it makes me really mad when people policy vote me! like it makes me want to troll just to spite them. On September 21 2013 12:39 kushm4sta wrote: how the fuck do i make a case on someone when it's like an hour into the game?? On September 22 2013 11:29 kushm4sta wrote: also when is the lynch | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:58 Plutarch wrote: Doubtful. What I am saying is that you have provided justification that kush is town and the entire reasoning that you provided can be used to justify both a town and a scum kush, thus, your justification is flawed and every reason you stated for kush to be town is in fact a null tell. No in fact it cannot suggest a town or scum kush. The facts of the game thus far have one good interpretation and one sup optimal interpretation which you are using to suggest my read is invalid. You are ignoring the non-trivial nature of the different ways scum and town think about the game. Scum try to justify lynches, often by gaining thread presence. Town do not. So far you have fought Corazon's scum case on Xatalos and my town case on Kush and yet you have not provided reads on either of those players. You have chosen to tear down cases and build up none of your own. Sit back on those heavy haunches of yours and remember that you have to make reads as well as talk shit. | ||
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Cor's first post was atrocious, you'll have no arguments from me on that front. His follow up as been too attention grabbing for me to desire to vote him on day one. He is worth pressuring though and I need to understand him more to get a real read on him which I would be willing to commit to. Xatalos pooped on everyone in a dumb way early in the game. Alienating that many players as scum early on is unwise, he loses too much support for his lynch should he do that. It makes me uncomfortable to lynch him day one. I still need to know more of course but for now I find him non lynchable, Also there is a thing about him which suggests non-scum. I haven't decided if it suggests Sebastian the crab or town but it does suggest non-town. As of this moment I have not yet found a player I am willing to lynch. You can tell by the way my vote has not yet fallen on anyone. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:22 Plutarch wrote: Basically what you are saying is that even though your reasoning is flawed and you cannot provide better reasoning, your reasoning for him being town is good. And my reasoning for him being null is bad. Yet you cannot state why other than mentioning some non-specific facts of the game. I am more than aware of the differences in a scum and town mindset and I am telling you that there is no way you can tell. Do I think he is scum? I don't know. Do I think he is town? I don't know. And neither should you. Further, I have played in many games with kush and I can tell you that he is more than capable of this style of play as both alignments. What is odd though, is that you are defending a town read that is at best a large stretch to the hilt. And time and again people who provide town reads that I cant quite understand and who aren't able to provide solid reasons for those reads are scum. This kush read is very scummy. It isn't but I don't really care, Kush is likely town and I'm not willing to lynch him day one. I'll reassess him day two when more content exists. For now he appears town to me. Look On December 10 2013 07:03 kushm4sta wrote: Sorry but I'm doing a lurk strat this game! I disagree that it will ruin the game though. I don't think this post is possible as a scum player. Kush brings out his lurking from the beginning and makes the rest of the thread aware that he is planning on lurking. This is not something that a scum wants. It draws unnecessary attention and weakens his thread position. If you aren't interested in lynching Kush I have no interest in continuing this conversation. Since you are voting me I assume you have no intention of lynching Kush we can move on. Can you explain to me why you shut down the case from Cor on Xatalos but did not provide a counter read. All you did was tear it down, why? | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:29 Holyflare wrote: So, then what do you think on the points that I/LSB raised on sidesprang's introduction to the thread? Also, just because they are not good lynches does not mean you can't elaborate on your reads on them, especially as they were both mentioned on your entry and are part of current events. You've given the information now so why was it that it needed to be dug for rather than your free kush town read and your need to look at alak more read? I found them unimportant. Noting I had to say had been unsaid by the thread on the subjects of those two players. Things I had to say on Kush had been left unsaid. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:33 VayneAuthority wrote: I will say though that playing as scum last game you probably realize that Slam basically adds another scum to the game as either alignment. So I'm fine with lynching him regardless unless something very convincing goes down. Why do you prefer a policy lynch on Alakaslam over an attempt to lynch scum. What benefit do you see town gaining from this policy lynch over an honest attempt to find scum. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:34 Plutarch wrote: Basically XigXag is saying he doesn't think Xatalos or Cora are good lynches then goes on to agree that cora was scummy and list scummy things about both. But makes sure he doesn't commit to a read. Oh and he doesn't know who he wants to lynch yet. Basically the scummiest most wishy-washy post in existence. In fact the only non wishy-washy thing he has posted is an inexplicable town read on kush that he hard defends based off absolutely nothing. Which in itself is scummy. Xigxag is scum. yes, yes. Very nice. You don't like me. I get it. Instead of being useless by attacking me why don't you answer the question I've asked you twice now, It matters to my read on you. Along with that talk with me about Vayne. Vayne brought up Noir and when I looked at Noir and suggested that Kush was playing differently than he was there Vayne said to ignore Noir because of ## What has Vayne's goal been with his posting? To appear involved. Not to find scum. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:38 Plutarch wrote: It's nothing personal. Just my job to find scum. And you happen to be scum. Both my role pm and I disagree with you. Talk to me about Vayne. He is advocating a policy lynch, has attempted to appear active and yet has not done anything with that activity. He is suggesting I read another thread and when I did he says that thread is invalid due to yet another thread. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:40 Holyflare wrote: So you found the two players who have the most votes in the game at the moment unimportant to comment on at all? Are you just intentionally wanting to play oblivious to current events or what? You also mention in your entry post that Slam was "needed to be looked at more" and now you discredit that he could actually be scum too? Why is lynching slam not an attempt to lynch scum? I just said. Everything I had to say about X/C had already been said. I had nothing to add to the thread on either one so I refrained from adding nothing to the thread. I won't be voting for either one because I do not find them scummy; even though Plutarch would like to suggest that I do. Both did scummy things. Neither is scummy to me. Slam could be scum. He needs to be looked at more because I have no idea what his alignment is. Lynching Slam is not an attempt to lynch scum because its a stated policy lynch. Are you reading the game or trying to find ways to attack me? If you want to call me scum do it. If you want to pussy foot around suggesting that I'm scummy just stop. Its embarrassing. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:46 VayneAuthority wrote: I will clarify the ## thing, as it's a case of timeline Noire was played, kush did his thing etc ## was played after it, which is the game that kush decided to stop posting angrily and take it easy So that is why comparing his playstyle to pre- ## and post ## is not a good idea atm So why did you bring it up as a comparison? What is it you were trying to convey with the reference to that game and immediate retraction of the same. Look Plutarch. I would like to think you are scum for this but I don't. Which means you are trying to incite an angry response from me to see how genuine my emotions feel. Cool. Since you seem town and I am town can I suggest that if you truly think I am scum you don't post useless one liners about it. They damage thread atmosphere and will not help an eventual town victory. If you truly think I am scum make a case and convince others. While you do that I am going to continue to try to figure out if what Vayne is doing is because he is scum or because I have no idea how his brain works. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:51 Holyflare wrote: I'm not doing any suggesting, I'm questioning your thought process. Nothing that you just stated in regards to Xant and Cora has been said in the thread at all so I don't think you understand my confusion. To downplay something as "embarrassing" when someone is trying to discern information from someone else is funny though. LSB already said it: both talky muchy neither swingy soony. Clear? That is all which was useful that I had to say about them. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:52 Plutarch wrote: Is xigxag new or a smurf? for fifty dollars an hour xigxag will be anything you want. | ||
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