EPTGoT Mafia: Lords and Liars
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There's been some talk of killing Kush. Kush and I have talked very little, but his attitude struck me as matching his town meta to a T. Obviously I can't quote the pm, but he openly admitted to being completely clueless about how teh game is operating/what had happened within our house during n0, while still having a big attitude about it. I'm conflicted on this, because on one hand in smurf I could easily tell he was town, and pretty much everyone else could. But on the other hand he still got mislynched at LyLo and did not contribue meaningfully to the game. I don't want him alive at LyLo again, but he is very likely town. I've been playing with Kush since my first game on TL, and I think I've gotten him right about 80% of the time. That said, I understand and even sympathize with wanting to kill him at this point. But I personally can't do so because I am relatively sure he's town, and town is town regardless of whether they're playing poorly or not. The only thing giving me any doubt is this: Does anyone know if Kush uses the term 'fag' or 'fags' at all? I'm not confident enough to name anyone as scum until I've read the thread a few more times. Most of the big incidents in the thread are cookie cutter from other games I've played. Rayne twisting words around was exactly what he did to me until we both figured each other out as town in the last game we played. Oatsmaster and Yamato's fight earlier was also cookie cutter from the last game I was in with them, however a few things stuck out to me as different about both of them in this case. I will be starting to read through their exchange again. Does anyone else have specific things they think I should read or that they want opinions on? | ||
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On August 10 2013 01:19 Oberyn wrote: Does this infer that you have indeed read the thread at least once? Yes. I have read the thread fully. On August 10 2013 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote: What exactly is kush's town meta Sharrant? Quite simply he would not so brazenly admit to a position of weakness/poor play while still having so much attitude/such a joking tone. He has never learned to emulate this as mafia. He has learned that he has obvious tells, and he has corrected many of those, but this is something that has been consistent in his play since the first game we played. He's still very uncomfortable about a few things, and this is one of them. As mentioned before, the only thing that seemed out of place is his use of the word fags. That's the only thing giving me even a moments consideration, as it's not something I particularly remember him saying before. | ||
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On August 10 2013 02:27 Oberyn wrote: I think town should strongly try to influence the Lord elections for day two. I've bolded my preferred Lords. Please post if you disagree with my assessment. House Tyrell: Kushm4sta johnnywup Sharrant Acrofales Is it terrible that I'm picking the guy with one post? kush is a martyr so I wouldn't consider him. johnny is suspicious to several players, although I haven't spent much time on him yet and I have a scum read on Acro. I wish we had one of Dandel's house nukes. House Greyjoy raynpelikoneet FirmTofu Nachomamma8 Risen I'm content with rayn staying as Lord based on activity. House Stark strongandbig Clarity_nl Oatsmaster Vivax This was a tough choice since most of these individuals are townish null. I'd like to see s&b's play today before making a final decision on this one. House Lannister iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Gumshoe Xatalos appears more town to me than iamp thus far. I don't like iamp's preferred house kp target and he hasn't done enough in the thread. House Baratheon Chromatically Koshi S0lstice Dandel Ion I would be pretty opposed to any of the other three at this point. Chrom has been pretty active in PMs. House Martell Oberyn jrkirby yamato77 Onegu I feel I've been the most active among my house and I know my own alignment. Talk to me about your scum read on Acrofales. I'm interested in this and it seems like a much more fruitful discussion than what has been going on for the last few pages. | ||
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On August 10 2013 02:41 Vivax wrote: I am seriously underwhelmed by Sharrant's entrance. The quantity seems fine, the quality sucks. All that talk to give an almost psychoanalytic townread on kush? Cool, now we know he calls people fags, what the fuck does that even have to do with anything? I'm actually interested into knowing Sharrant's read on Acrofales rather than having his question answered before he does that cause it rather looks like he's trying to steer discussion into a direction without giving his own opinion first. Not to mention that Oberyn already talked about Acrofales. Sharrant could simply look it up. Hey, Vivax, you're the perfect one to answer this. You actually hydra'ed with Kush. The question was whether Kush says 'fags' normally. Does he? You would know much better than I. My read on Acrofales is that he's seemed quite townie. Oberyn obviously has a different side that I don't get to see. On n0 Acrofales wanted to be leader, and I figured he would be the best candidate. I had no intention of running because I know my time is quite limited. Acrofales has been quite open in PMs, seems very concerned about making the right move, is always asking for advice and suggestions, and has been very active and engaged. All this while roleplaying AND the biggest kicker for him being town is that when there was an issue with his roleplaying, he typed out of character to clarify the situation. I think he's very likely a townie. | ||
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On August 10 2013 02:55 iamperfection wrote: sharrant i would like to do a little exercise with you. Do you accept? For you, always. What's up? | ||
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On August 10 2013 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sharrant i wouls like to do a little exercise with you. It includes me using our house KP on you, unless you start telling who you think is mafia soon and please answer me. Are we going to do this again? When I have a scum read I'm confident enough in to share, you'll hear about. You can threaten all you want, but I don't care, you can't rush me. | ||
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Yes, I have read the thread. | ||
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On August 10 2013 03:03 iamperfection wrote: now over the course of any mafia game would you agree that certain topics become "major headlines" if you will. As in something that almost everyone takes a stance on or at least comments on said topic. Would you agree with this premiss? I agree. Things like Oats/Yamato this game, Rayne/Acro, things like that, yes. | ||
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On August 10 2013 03:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: It´s been over 36 hours into the game and you have (apparently?) been active in PM´s. I find it hard to believe you don´t have any scumreads, and you are only willing to discuss your town reads atm. But i´ll wait. When did i twist someone´s words in this game as you said in your post? My activity has been greatly misinterpreted by the thread. I spoke in PM's a bit on n0, but was unavailable up until this point. As such I only sent a few decent sized PM's to Acro, and spoke a little bit with my other house mates. I only was able to catch up completely on the thread today. | ||
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On August 10 2013 03:05 iamperfection wrote: well when you jump the gun like that you make a mockery of the exercise. Okay, pretend I didn't say that. Keep going. | ||
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On August 10 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now that the experiment is apparently over, Sharrant, can you finally tell me where have i twisted anyone´s words in this game? Your conversation with Acrofales. At least at a glance it felt exactly like what happened when we played last. You saying Acrofales was going to use the house health check, seems very much like that. I don't think Acrofales has ever had any intention of using the house health check. Perhaps using "twisting" was the wrong word. I know the problem we had was a lot of misunderstandings. For this to come up in another game doesn't surprise me with anothe rplayer does not surprise me. | ||
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On August 10 2013 03:16 Oberyn wrote: In fact, I think you were the one he said that talked him out of it. Ah, gotcha. See, to me he just asked my opinions about it. I didn't realize he had been considering it before. Yes, that makes sense then. Apologies, Rayne. | ||
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Okay, I looked back through the PM's. I was wrong, he did state he originally wanted to use it on a house to check the HP values. I forgot about that because of how quickly he agreed that it was a bad idea. I just forgot, plain as that. | ||
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I think we should concentrate on where houses should be using their shots. We have four hours until we can no longer plan inter-house. Since Acrofales is not here at the moment, I will be suggesting that he fire at either Yamato or Nacho, with Nacho being the stronger recommendation. I think that 3 houses should be elected as shooters. And fire at three agreed upon targets. The remaining three houses will be assigned to each target, and if the target is not dead before day break, they should fire upon them. If the targets die, then they are free to pick their own targets. | ||
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On August 11 2013 14:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Why dont you tell us Sharrant? You'll know why as soon as Acro gets on. If you want to share with the non-lords after that, be my guest, any of you is welcome to. | ||
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In this game he's basically just disrupted conversation, but done so without helping the town. He's been shutting people down, and causing arguments to stifle discussion. There's been nothing useful in his play. He is mafia, guaranteed. Can you not see the difference in how he argued both games being on the receiving end of it both times? | ||
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I claimed my role to Acro last night (I'm a one shot alignment cop). I asked him who I should target with it, he said Kush and Yamato. Both players I had in mind originally. In case he was mafia I lied and said I would target Kush. After I brought up framing he suggested that Kush might be too high profile, and that I should check Koshi or Ace. I think both of those are fairly legitimate suggestions. It seems less likely that Acro is mafia because he was suggesting more people to check that are in positions where a check would be very good. An alternative is that Acro is mafia, and they have no framer like role, so he wanted to push me off a mafia Kush, but I find this unlikely. At the end of the day you're left with a red check on Yamato, someone relatively out of the spotlight and not a likely choice for framers. And as I stated, his argumentative nature in this game is quite different from how it is when he's arguing as a town member. | ||
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