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Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 05:46:25
July 21 2013 13:23 GMT
#1
Watching more and more streams, I can mostly see that you're not hiding minimap buttons (i.e. Minimap terrain, player colors and Ping button) with overlay, but hiding social buttons (Menu, Game help, Friends online) and wrongly hiding idle worker/army buttons (but this maybe is neccesary too, depends on design and average aesthetic looking)

I think, that doesn't looks nice really. If you want to hide buttons with overlay, why not hide ALL buttons? They are out of place with different color from default skin. Like blue buttons on gold skin - that looks a bit strange.

Here are some examples from Protech and Idra streams why it looks bad and how it can be simply fixed.

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Why you hide social buttons and do not do that with Minimap buttons? On some other streams I saw, that there are no hidden social buttons (Menu/Friends/Help). Reason to not hide these buttons? Isn't it better to cover these buttons too with same color as entire overlay? Many times I see something like blue buttons on black overlay, green overlay with ORANGE buttons, etc

In my humble opinion, you should take care at that small thing with designing overlays. If your buttons are visible through overlay, why not make them stylized same way as entire overlay? Or just hide with texture or other stuff like wires, flat texture, lighting and other special effects?

Here are good examples of overlay designing. No random buttons with different colors.

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Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
July 21 2013 13:26 GMT
#2
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InsidiA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1169 Posts
July 21 2013 13:39 GMT
#3
Yea, you make a good point. Don't know why people bother not covering them up, as a stream viewer they don't add anything and aren't necessary.
GraphicsInsidiA | StarCraft 2 Manager for Team eLevate | Graphic Designer for Red Bull eSports & HTC | @iamjasonpun
SCguineapig
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Netherlands289 Posts
July 21 2013 13:42 GMT
#4
agreed.
broodwar wasn't perfect
esReveR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-21 13:56:30
July 21 2013 13:54 GMT
#5
I really like what the Empire overlay did --- putting league/race in place of the minimap buttons.

Edit: I'm assuming the race one rotates since that person isn't playing protoss. But, I love the idea.
Skill is relative.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
July 21 2013 13:56 GMT
#6
I'm assuming the race one rotates since that person isn't playing protoss.

Probably he is lazy to change icon on overlay
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
July 21 2013 14:29 GMT
#7
On July 21 2013 22:39 InsidiA wrote:
Yea, you make a good point. Don't know why people bother not covering them up, as a stream viewer they don't add anything and aren't necessary.



nor do they affect my viewing experience. I feel like its a non issue, but if you feel like its important, by all means swing for the fences OP!
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
letmegopls
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
105 Posts
July 21 2013 14:59 GMT
#8
i feel a relieving inner peace knowing i'll never be as autistic as op

User was temp banned for this post.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-21 15:13:20
July 21 2013 14:59 GMT
#9
On July 21 2013 23:29 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 22:39 InsidiA wrote:
Yea, you make a good point. Don't know why people bother not covering them up, as a stream viewer they don't add anything and aren't necessary.



nor do they affect my viewing experience. I feel like its a non issue, but if you feel like its important, by all means swing for the fences OP!

I think, there is nothing special or hard to do. This is just small suggestion about overlays
shiroiusagi
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
SoCal, USA3955 Posts
July 21 2013 15:00 GMT
#10
I prefer them covered since people don't use them.
Graphics@shiroiusagi_ | shiroiusagi.net
ChriseC
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany440 Posts
July 21 2013 15:19 GMT
#11
since when does idra use hotkeys?
Naganis
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Italy125 Posts
July 21 2013 15:28 GMT
#12
For the viewers, it's only a waste of space (imho) that's why i always cover them, sometimes they even take away attention from the center. The only button that i leave there it's the Army buttom, an useful information, as i've done in the White-Ra overlay.

This is a great feedback, thanks OP.
| Grubby Official Graphic Designer | TL Strategy Graphic Designer | ESL Graphic Designer |
Honeybadger
Profile Joined August 2010
United States821 Posts
July 21 2013 15:48 GMT
#13
I've never, ever cared about seeing the player's FACE.

Hands? sure. Face? WHY.
"I like to tape my thumbs to my hands to see what it would be like to be a dinosaur."
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8244 Posts
July 21 2013 16:02 GMT
#14
On July 22 2013 00:48 Honeybadger wrote:
I've never, ever cared about seeing the player's FACE.

Hands? sure. Face? WHY.

It's so you know that it's actually that person streaming. Sometimes when I watch streams, I can't help but think it's someone else playing on his account, thus generating ad revenue for him which he does not deserve.
Stress
Profile Joined February 2011
United States980 Posts
July 21 2013 16:06 GMT
#15
That is such a small thing that I've never even thought about it. The bigger issue to me is when the overlay is so gigantic that it takes up half the screen.
"Touch my gosu hands." - Tastosis | | fOrGG // MC // Jaedong
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
July 21 2013 16:14 GMT
#16
Idk it never bugged me. Sometimes personal issues that one person may have are just not exactly thread worthy. I mean the issue seems so small, why not make overlays yourself and approach players to use them.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
July 21 2013 16:20 GMT
#17
On July 22 2013 01:14 HeeroFX wrote:
Idk it never bugged me. Sometimes personal issues that one person may have are just not exactly thread worthy. I mean the issue seems so small, why not make overlays yourself and approach players to use them.

Some players even don't care about such small aesthetics like graphic settings (low blurred textures or high sharp textures, when difference isn't that big) or avatar (kachinsky all the time) or decals (default ones all the times instead nicer from 500-750-1k wins or from levels).

Why not talk about small things too? Someone can care about them, someone not, it all depends on people and their feeling. From my side, this is small suggestion will allow future overlay designers to make their overlays a bit better
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
July 21 2013 16:22 GMT
#18
On July 22 2013 00:48 Honeybadger wrote:
I've never, ever cared about seeing the player's FACE.

Hands? sure. Face? WHY.


Facial expressions. It matters much more than you think it does, having a webcam and a mic.
maru lover forever
nicopower5000
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France252 Posts
July 22 2013 13:43 GMT
#19
I keep that in mind.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
July 22 2013 21:50 GMT
#20
On July 22 2013 01:22 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 00:48 Honeybadger wrote:
I've never, ever cared about seeing the player's FACE.

Hands? sure. Face? WHY.


Facial expressions. It matters much more than you think it does, having a webcam and a mic.


I think, watching hand position and/or keyboard with flashing buttons (which were clicked at the moment) is more usefull, than facial expressions
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