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Russian Federation4295 Posts
Watching more and more streams, I can mostly see that you're not hiding minimap buttons (i.e. Minimap terrain, player colors and Ping button) with overlay, but hiding social buttons (Menu, Game help, Friends online) and wrongly hiding idle worker/army buttons (but this maybe is neccesary too, depends on design and average aesthetic looking)
I think, that doesn't looks nice really. If you want to hide buttons with overlay, why not hide ALL buttons? They are out of place with different color from default skin. Like blue buttons on gold skin - that looks a bit strange.
Here are some examples from Protech and Idra streams why it looks bad and how it can be simply fixed.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jDAp4Ll.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Wgnewnw.png)
Why you hide social buttons and do not do that with Minimap buttons? On some other streams I saw, that there are no hidden social buttons (Menu/Friends/Help). Reason to not hide these buttons? Isn't it better to cover these buttons too with same color as entire overlay? Many times I see something like blue buttons on black overlay, green overlay with ORANGE buttons, etc
In my humble opinion, you should take care at that small thing with designing overlays. If your buttons are visible through overlay, why not make them stylized same way as entire overlay? Or just hide with texture or other stuff like wires, flat texture, lighting and other special effects?
Here are good examples of overlay designing. No random buttons with different colors.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OL4OrVT.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OAhQNdO.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rdqxFSn.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Z9zzrdV.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hd6afdt.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aRmhYcA.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ABfywhD.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/wDGN1VH.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uy3GXRQ.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YLReLe2.png)
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Canada1169 Posts
Yea, you make a good point. Don't know why people bother not covering them up, as a stream viewer they don't add anything and aren't necessary.
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I really like what the Empire overlay did --- putting league/race in place of the minimap buttons.
Edit: I'm assuming the race one rotates since that person isn't playing protoss. But, I love the idea.
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
I'm assuming the race one rotates since that person isn't playing protoss.
Probably he is lazy to change icon on overlay 
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On July 21 2013 22:39 InsidiA wrote:
Yea, you make a good point. Don't know why people bother not covering them up, as a stream viewer they don't add anything and aren't necessary.
nor do they affect my viewing experience. I feel like its a non issue, but if you feel like its important, by all means swing for the fences OP!
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i feel a relieving inner peace knowing i'll never be as autistic as op
User was temp banned for this post.
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
On July 21 2013 23:29 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 22:39 InsidiA wrote:
Yea, you make a good point. Don't know why people bother not covering them up, as a stream viewer they don't add anything and aren't necessary. nor do they affect my viewing experience. I feel like its a non issue, but if you feel like its important, by all means swing for the fences OP!
I think, there is nothing special or hard to do. This is just small suggestion about overlays
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SoCal, USA3955 Posts
I prefer them covered since people don't use them.
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since when does idra use hotkeys?
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Italy125 Posts
For the viewers, it's only a waste of space (imho) that's why i always cover them, sometimes they even take away attention from the center. The only button that i leave there it's the Army buttom, an useful information, as i've done in the White-Ra overlay.
This is a great feedback, thanks OP.
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I've never, ever cared about seeing the player's FACE.
Hands? sure. Face? WHY.
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On July 22 2013 00:48 Honeybadger wrote:
I've never, ever cared about seeing the player's FACE.
Hands? sure. Face? WHY.
It's so you know that it's actually that person streaming. Sometimes when I watch streams, I can't help but think it's someone else playing on his account, thus generating ad revenue for him which he does not deserve.
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That is such a small thing that I've never even thought about it. The bigger issue to me is when the overlay is so gigantic that it takes up half the screen.
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Idk it never bugged me. Sometimes personal issues that one person may have are just not exactly thread worthy. I mean the issue seems so small, why not make overlays yourself and approach players to use them.
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
On July 22 2013 01:14 HeeroFX wrote:
Idk it never bugged me. Sometimes personal issues that one person may have are just not exactly thread worthy. I mean the issue seems so small, why not make overlays yourself and approach players to use them.
Some players even don't care about such small aesthetics like graphic settings (low blurred textures or high sharp textures, when difference isn't that big) or avatar (kachinsky all the time) or decals (default ones all the times instead nicer from 500-750-1k wins or from levels).
Why not talk about small things too? Someone can care about them, someone not, it all depends on people and their feeling. From my side, this is small suggestion will allow future overlay designers to make their overlays a bit better
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On July 22 2013 00:48 Honeybadger wrote:
I've never, ever cared about seeing the player's FACE.
Hands? sure. Face? WHY.
Facial expressions. It matters much more than you think it does, having a webcam and a mic.
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
On July 22 2013 01:22 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 00:48 Honeybadger wrote:
I've never, ever cared about seeing the player's FACE.
Hands? sure. Face? WHY. Facial expressions. It matters much more than you think it does, having a webcam and a mic.
I think, watching hand position and/or keyboard with flashing buttons (which were clicked at the moment) is more usefull, than facial expressions
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I don't think this effects viewers in any significant way. One things I do notice as a stream viewer includes, when the space showing the clock is a bit miss-placed. Its a little weird because as time goes by it automatically centers itself and this can go under the radar when someone is making an overlay. Also when the webcam box is smaller than it has to be such as Idra's new overlay and Clarity's, that's a big one in my opinion. (Other than that I absolutely love Clarity's overlay I think its the best overlay out there at the moment)
I agree with face cam over hand cam myself, I think the players emotions make for a better stream than to see fingers shuffling around.
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
On July 26 2013 07:02 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 06:50 Existor wrote:On July 22 2013 01:22 Incognoto wrote:On July 22 2013 00:48 Honeybadger wrote:
I've never, ever cared about seeing the player's FACE.
Hands? sure. Face? WHY. Facial expressions. It matters much more than you think it does, having a webcam and a mic. I think, watching hand position and/or keyboard with flashing buttons (which were clicked at the moment) is more usefull, than facial expressions more useful? i think the guy who got banned was right
Say me please, how face expressions can be more usefull, than viewing how player doing his apm, how he positioning his hand, how that player uses different (from your hotkey scheme) hotkeys?
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In my opinion those protech buttons look better as they are now.
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
On July 26 2013 07:20 jormal1ty wrote:
In my opinion those protech buttons look better as they are now.
It's not personally against Protech overlay. It's "against" all the overlays with small windows and cuts for these buttons
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On July 26 2013 07:32 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:19 Existor wrote:On July 26 2013 07:02 monkybone wrote:On July 23 2013 06:50 Existor wrote:On July 22 2013 01:22 Incognoto wrote:On July 22 2013 00:48 Honeybadger wrote:
I've never, ever cared about seeing the player's FACE.
Hands? sure. Face? WHY. Facial expressions. It matters much more than you think it does, having a webcam and a mic. I think, watching hand position and/or keyboard with flashing buttons (which were clicked at the moment) is more usefull, than facial expressions more useful? i think the guy who got banned was right Say me please, how face expressions can be more usefull, than viewing how player doing his apm, how he positioning his hand, how that player uses different (from your hotkey scheme) hotkeys? you're right its not very useful
The hand would be more useful, but still useless and the facial expression is more entertaining. Also you remember a players face as a brand and not a hand. Progamers are no handmodels.
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
Well, thats the question is around stream entertaining, not usefullness. Usefullness and entertainment - these are two different questions
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Watching the keyboard is mostly useless, unless you want to see fingers move around. The real usefulness of a stream is found on the player's screen as well as his commentary. Seeing a face is adds much more to the commentary than fingers do.
my 2 cents
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
On July 26 2013 08:36 Incognoto wrote:
Watching the keyboard is mostly useless, unless you want to see fingers move around. The real usefulness of a stream is found on the player's screen as well as his commentary. Seeing a face is adds much more to the commentary than fingers do.
my 2 cents
It all depends on what you need from streamer and stream itself.
But really thi thread is not about webcam/keyboard visibility. It's about cuts for sc2 buttons near minimap and social buttons. Just small reminder. This small aesthetic thing sometimes looks out of design (as I said, orange buttons on green UI, blue buttons on black UI etc)
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