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On June 09 2013 13:30 AxleGreaser wrote: Not until I know your alignment and probably/possibly/maybe what the powers restrictions are or even know who will know what about them when. In the absence of all knowledge, I already chose the optimal course. Even then there may be other candidates I'd prefer based on capability generating a better risk benefit tradeoff. If I had enough information I might even prefer a candidate other than me. We are getting late enough in the day now that experience tells me, that other tzs likely wont be checking in. hence we lose a fraction of the day do you have suggestion of what we can do profitably? AFAIK 1v1 mafia doesn't work that well. aka speak words now. Pretty sure you can tell from my track record that I really only roll non-VT when I force myself into a themed game  Also, we won't know what these powers/restrictions are until the election is over so there's no real point trying to work it out. In which case everyone ends up voting themselves as the 'optimal' route? We have quite a few people in for discussion now, but what is there to discuss at the moment.. | ||
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On June 09 2013 14:32 Hapahauli wrote: @ Sylencia Why do you want to be elected mayor? I like it when people run campaigns, but I detest joke campaigns. Obviously none of this is remotely sufficient rationale to vote for you. Hard for me to tell what you consider a serious campaign vs a joke campaign. Does someone who does a post like ShiaoPi's count as a serious campaign or not? If so, it's hard for me to take your vote for mayor seriously. In all honesty, I'm not going to push for myself to be the mayor, I haven't had enough experience to really know how to use these roles well and it'd be more suited to another. On June 09 2013 14:33 AxleGreaser wrote: >We have quite a few people in for discussion now, but what is there to discuss at the moment.. We grasp at straws. I already voted Oats because ... Now when I say: > Not until I know your alignment and probably/possibly/maybe what the powers restrictions are or even know who will > know what about them when. In the absence of all knowledge, I already chose the optimal course. Which mentions both determining alignments and setup speculation Sylencia: < "Also, we won't know what these powers/restrictions are until the election is over so there's no real point trying to < work it out. In which case everyone ends up voting themselves as the 'optimal' route?" Which seems to have overlooked finding out alignments, the important bit. If you already knew them that would explain that assumption. That's what I do. Now I see what you do. Also do remember, while we do this, to notice what other people are not doing. Are you saying we're working out alignments to ensure we've got a Town Mayor? I thought that was a given. On June 09 2013 14:46 ShiaoPi wrote: @Sylencia: Where did you went off to? More than enough to discuss here! (Also cookies if you do the right thing!) Went off to stream dota <.< In terms of mayor voting, I'll hold off for now. On June 09 2013 15:00 Hapahauli wrote: ##Lynch VayneAuthority Was this vote purely because he mayor voted for someone you didn't want to be mayor? You've mentioned having a mayor vote on someone who isn't seriously running for it to be bad, but does that make him scum? I'd like to see the link in reasoning for that. | ||
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On June 09 2013 15:22 ShiaoPi wrote: I am intersted in getting sylencia back here right now. What is your stance on my campaign? I'm pretty neutral about it, you're the only one who's really put up their hand for being mayor (I have but semi-in jest, and I'm not sure if Axle's is serious or not). Would you say you're the best fit for mayor even if everyone else wanted to be mayor too? | ||
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On June 09 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote: I mean, this is the reason Vayne's vote Yeah thats a vote that isnt on Shiao for the sake of it. So he doesnt appear too sheepy or compliant of whatever. Not cause he thinks you are a better mayor. Bad. Everyone who's put a mayor vote on Shiao looks super sheepy anyways, why would that matter if he sheeped onto the Shiao vote? On June 09 2013 23:26 ShiaoPi wrote: I am the best fit for mayor, since I am giving out cookies. In all seriousness, I say I am best fit for mayor simply because I know that I am town. Rest is of course unsure. Since I do want double vote and whatever other power the mayor gets to be in good hands, I think yes, I am the best fit. @Oats: Since I am cool, vote me! You can even get a oatmeal cookie if you want one. Great reasoning. . . . .. .. . .. . .. . . On June 10 2013 00:51 Oatsmaster wrote: If you dont think he is scum, why are you against him being mayor?? ??? Maybe stutters is too shy to say he wants mayor :D | ||
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On June 10 2013 02:53 Hapahauli wrote: @ Sylencia and Stutters Since you're both hesitant about Shaio's candidacy, some questions: 1) What qualities would you consider "ideal" mayoral qualities? 2) If you were to pick anyone in this town to run (regardless of if they want to run or not), who would you vote based on the thread so far? 1) Someone who has decent reasoning. The primary area where this should be shown is the reasoning in why they should be leader. Shiao's reasoning is not a reason to be mayor ("I know I'm town and I want double vote, so I want mayor"), and that's why I don't really fancy the idea of voting him for mayor. 2) I would've said Oats - he's brought up similar issues with Vayne that you did, but he explained it in a more reasonable manner and came off as being a lot less hostile than how you handled it. Two "serious" mayor candidates have come out since that post though - Hapa's one is the kind of reasoning I was looking for, and Gravity's counter-candidate speech is interesting but I can't take it that seriously -_-;; On June 10 2013 11:37 VayneAuthority wrote: there's no contradiction here. Posting like this makes scum keep me alive so I can continue playing the game, while being mayor would make them want to kill me more. also not that I think axlegreaser is scum, I meant more that I do not trust him to be mayor as I can't understand half his posts so it wouldn't be in my best interest. If you're posting with survival in mind, it's a pretty bad mindset to be in - especially so early on. Since the way you're explaining it makes it sound like you're acting slightly scummy just to be off the NK radar. You and GravityMan discuss this after this post so I won't bother with it further but pretty sure it's better you get killed Night 1 and provide a lot of information town can use rather than nothing at all and getting endgamed (I'm guilty of this quite often.. though I just get lynched half way anyways) On June 10 2013 12:48 VayneAuthority wrote: I can't reveal everything about my play or scum will be able to hide too easily, let's just say it has a purpose though I don't even understand what this post means? What could you possibly be hiding that could make things EASIER for scum? | ||
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On June 10 2013 23:29 Oatsmaster wrote: And the fact that he KEEPS saying that he is town, check his meta, bla bla. I don't think it's a tell when people do that - I tried calling rayn out in LXI for that and he was town in the end iirc. I'm more up for lynching Vayne today though - his apparent reasoning for his weird posts, which is for survival (but in a sense that the posts are scummy enough that scum have a reason to keep him alive) is a pretty weak reason and having some sort of hidden agenda behind his play? If he had a hidden agenda, why would be tell us so? If it's something to use in the future to find scum, well now they're more wary and more likely to target Vayne, which is the exact opposite of what he wanted to do (survive). ##Vote Vayne | ||
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##unvote is the obvious first move GravityMan: On June 11 2013 01:14 GravityMan wrote: Sylencia. Hello. If you are not currently otherwise occupied, I have some queries for you that I feel would help me gain a better understand of you. If you would answer them I would be greatly pleased. Do you have any reads on scum other than this VayneAuthority? What do you make of the altercation between the Oatsmaster and this Blazinghand? You mention that you are often lynched early in other games. Why is this? 1) No, not really, everyone is acting really erratically this game and it's making things kind of difficult to work out. 2) That argument was actually rather annoying - flamefests just spam up the thread uselessly and demoralises the town side most of the time. I don't even feel like there was anything productive that came from it... 3) Lurkerish, lynchbait, scum jump on my weak cases etc. etc. Unless Jampi shows up soon (he said he would be here around now right?), I'm going to put a vote on him going mostly on Hapa's reasoning. ##vote Jampi | ||
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On June 11 2013 10:58 jampidampi wrote: I can get behind that for self preservation You're backing someone who you were finding suspicious yesterday, what makes him null now (according to your list) | ||
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Here is what I meant about erratic behaviour: - BH starts out the game lurker style but then comes out guns blazing against Oats in a flamefest war which I frankly don't understand the point of. Neither of them really got their point to each other. - Hapa attacks Vayne then goes 'nah all cool' and moves on like nothing happened. Vayne is pretty much confirmed town at this point, but at the time when it happened I had no idea what to make of it. - Stutter's lurkiness is similar to LXI, hard to make out anything from it - this is probably the most normal thing about this town during D1. - Vayne goes scum style posting into blue claim, weirdest play to date (I missed the hints, but apparently everyone did) - Axle is actually making sense for once, which is the weirdest thing unless I haven't played with him long enough for him to be more normal like this? - I don't think I've played a game with Hapa before, but he's probably the most level headed player in this group from what I've seen. None of this actually really helps in the end with scumhunting, but it just threw me off guard to see these changes. For tonight, about the potential shot, probably best not to use it if you're not sure Hapa. If things go wrong and we're looking at an SK or something in the mix, town numbers could be at an all time low in just 1 day/night cycle. | ||
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On June 12 2013 01:12 VayneAuthority wrote: it's not very weird at all scummy posting doesnt get you night killed so i usually make good use of blue roles. the circumstances and such a fast bandwagon from a group of lurkers made this not possible. How does it help when you force yourself to claim to survive? Blue roles have no power if they are dead before they get results. | ||
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On June 12 2013 01:18 VayneAuthority wrote: yea because i really wanted to claim...This happened because town like jampi just jumped into the thread and didnt read shit and bandwagoned. if you want to blame me for half the game lurking and forcing me to claim then fine. Alternatively you can avoid this completely by just being town in the first place and thus having 0 votes on you - magic, no need to claim. @Oats: If GK doesn't have anything in the next 24 hours, I'd be willing to put money on a lurker scum team - something like him + stutters (maybe +1 if there's a third). The only one that sticks out is Blazinghand for causing chaos for no reason but idk if that's his playstyle - please fill me in there. Reasoning is everything has run too smoothly and there haven't felt like there have been any sort of misdirections so far. We had a blue claim on day 1, so having some sort of mayor takeover would be a pretty good idea in Day 1 for scum to take, as they can reliably target Vayne with no consequence. If he dies, he dies. If he doesn't, everyone just says someone protected him, and no one suspects the mayor. None of this happened, so unless Hapa is scum, everyone active seems town. Any problem with my reasoning? | ||
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On June 12 2013 01:26 VayneAuthority wrote: yes next game i will just never post, that seems to be how to be town in this game Can you not think of the game in terms of your own self preservation and about how to actually benefit town in the case you get mislynched? Getting killed/mislynched but providing town vital information at death isn't necessarily fun for you, but you would actually be trying to go towards the goal of finding all scum and eliminating them. Is that not better than reaching all the way down to 3 man mafia and having no information at all because everyone's playing for self preservation thus so much information is withheld until that point? Anyways, I'm done for the night, I'll be back before the deadline though. | ||
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