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mkfuba07
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On May 31 2013 03:07 Promethelax wrote: /out. really sorry. So much rage. | ||
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So... /in ^^ | ||
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On June 04 2013 11:45 VayneAuthority wrote: Guess you'll just have to find out. Meta can suck it. This isn't a normal setup anyway so I don't see why it matters. Of course I am gong to be playing way differently What aspect of this game makes you feel like you'll naturally be playing way differently? | ||
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mkfuba07
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And my quote wasn't something random. I found it strange that vayne thinks this game naturally leads to different playstyles than normal, when I find it (particularly at this point) to be quite straightforward. Sure, our roles will change in the future, but we're still always going to be town vs scum. To me, it looked like he was giving vague excuses for possible future changes in playstyle, when from my own perspective there shouldn't be all that much difference. I don't know what to make of his response, yet. Telling me "not to worry about it" has made me do just the opposite, though. He seems to be saying that once we have some claims on the board, we're going to mostly focus on those and put reading the thread as a whole second. Again, this conflicts with my perspective. If our roles are going to keep changing, it seems like looking at the big picture will be what catches us scum, since they're always scum, but they're not always doctor/roleblocker/whatever they randomed. In fact, I'd argue that claims will be even less relevant in scumhunting because of this. In any case, I haven't seen anything I would specifically call scummy so far, just conflicting with my perspective or kind of unusual (I found his response to prplhz's "Why 31?" question really thorough for something that seemed like an offhand comment from both of them). For now I have him down as a person of interest. | ||
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And my point regarding vayne is simply that his perspective on the game is different than my own. His comment really stuck out to me, because I saw no reason to change my playstyle based on this setup. I have yet to decide if that's simply because he's a different player, or if it's because he's playing for a different team. If you're looking for me to call someone scum D1, it's unlikely going to happen. @jaybrundage: If you see me as possibly scum for what I've said, what do you think about vayne himself? His contributions consist of: a very thorough response to a nonsense question, saying he doesn't like meta, pointing out that I questioned him, and then saying I'm on his radar. I actually see little to distinguish his play from mine aside from post count. "I like to to call that illusionary participation unless thats common for him or something" | ||
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On June 05 2013 13:12 Stutters695 wrote: And Fuba just sniped me. Fuba if you had to dictate a lynch today who and why? Give us something to work with. Sorry, passed out soon after my post. There's been lots of unexpected stuff popping up, distracting me from the game. The most concerning one is taken care of, so I'll be less distracted. In any case, it's unlikely I could have given you an answer. As I said, D1 I typically sheep someone I feel pretty strongly is town, on someone that person has convinced me is scum. I don't really dictate lynches D1. The only time I've actually "dictated" a lynch was at the end of Doctor Who mafia, which surprised even me in its insistence upon my lynch, as well as the fact that I was actually right XD If you'd insisted on an answer, I probably would have said vayne, since he's the one that's been on my mind the most, and I saw him as having the most potential to be scum, despite not having done anything I would call overtly scummy. While he's still on my mind, I have a different lynch target at the moment. SlOosh brought up a good point about rayn that makes me comfortable with a vote on him. His reasoning for having a town read on vayne is pretty scummy. Thinking someone's town because they accurately describe your playstyle doesn't show the level of suspicion that I'd expect from a townie. I mean, it's easier than trying to make a fake case against someone you know is innocent. It's up there with talking exclusively about setup speculation and asking the host questions to appear active. ##Vote: raynpelikoneet I previously found sentinel town (no specific reason, just general feelings after reading his posts), but I'm going to take a closer look at him since slOosh brought him up. Also, we're falling on different sides of the oats debate, which is interesting because we both just played in a scum oats game. I can believe that town oats believes Ace to be a legit lynch, since I have *kind of* the same feelings. Problem being, I don't like playing hypocritically, and if I vote Ace for activity (whether or not I expected more from him), then I might as well vote myself (though that would be playing against my wincon  ). I haven't seen anything that would pick out Ace as scummier than anyone else in the game, so I'm not voting for him today. | ||
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On June 06 2013 01:22 Vivax wrote: Can you word the reasons you have for thinking Vayne could be scum? There were a few things that made me kind of suspicious of him in the first place, and I've spent the most time kind of pondering over him. It might be a bit tunnel-y of me. In any case, I found it strange that he pointed out my one question of him, followed by me disappearing for a while, but not bringing up prplhz's "Why 31?". I felt mine, at least, had legitimate reason to be asked, while prplhz's was clearly (in my eyes) just for the reaction or to be random or some shit. I also found his thorough answer to prplhz's question potentially suspicious (which I suppose makes it suspicious...) because it *was* so thorough, when the question was pretty much nonsense. That being said, if everything he said in that answer was true, it would have been easy for vayne to recall in any case. This rendered it pretty much null. Then there's his response to my question, itself, which just seemed to come from a different mindset than my own. As I said before, I'm unsure of whether or not it makes him scummy or just, you know, a different kind of player than me, so that's kind of where the suspicion ended on that train of thought. Again, ended pretty null (at least for the moment). Then there's just his general attitude, I guess you could call it. He pretty much states outright that he's not gonna do much D1. And then later points out how I'm not doing much, and though he hasn't voted yet, certainly seems geared up to vote for me by the end of the day (though maybe not, since the wagon didn't take off?). In any case, it's the kind of hypocritical "voting" that I just don't like doing as town. I see it as "he's doing what I'm doing, so he's scum". That being said, I can see townies voting in such a way. Some people might just not have my sense of voting "honor". Anyway, I haven't been able to convince myself that he's probably scum, so I haven't voted him. I basically see a lot of thing that *could* be scummy, but have an equal chance of being town. It's the quantity of them that keeps me suspicious, as well as the fact that he hasn't really done anything to convince me he's town. | ||
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On June 06 2013 03:49 Stutters695 wrote: + Show Spoiler + girlfriend was naked and rolling around on the floor. Friend was naked because he had pissed himself on my rug while his boyfriend ran and jumped into the pond to go swimming. Other friend shit himself and the fourth guy threw a beer into my neighbors face who laughed it off. My trip was really uneventful by comparison, but goddamn. shrooms, not even once On topic Rayn seems like a good lynch. Is it weird that this kind of makes me want to try shrooms *more*? | ||
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On June 06 2013 04:03 jaybrundage wrote: -snip- Note the reason he gives is because rayn has a town read on Vayne. So instead of lynching vayne who he has been playing with for a while. He just jumps on rayn because he is starting to roll as a wagon. He includes some reason as rayn seeing vayne as a town read for a wierd reason. If rayn just said he had a gut read on Vayne would that be better? Its a convoluted reason imo. I dont see the real reason for the switch from vayne to rayn. -snip- That's not the reason I gave. Town reads on vayne are perfectly fine. I, myself, just gave a slight town read on him. The reason I gave for rayn being scum is that his town read on vayne is based entirely around vayne doing something that anyone, of any alignment, could do. It's something scum can do easily to make themselves look like town, while not actually contributing their own thoughts. It's something that I wouldn't expect a townie to be convinced by, but something that scum would be enticed by. I didn't just jump on rayn because his wagon started. I wasn't convinced by the other cases. I was convinced by this one. If you don't like my reasoning, you're free to disagree with it. As for the bolded, in all honesty it probably would be better. At least in the sense that I would not find it as scummy. I find "no definable reason" to be better than a scummy reason (at least until we see some flips). And finally, there was no "switch" from vayne to rayn. You make it seem like one led to the other, when they're completely independent. If rayn had given that reason as a town read for *anyone* I would have had the same reaction. Here's a question for you: Do you think that someone explaining your playstyle is indicative of their alignment? | ||
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Huh, jay being doctor doesn't fit with my current thoughts on the game. S'ok though, I was probably slipping into omgus territory. @Jay: Why vivax? | ||
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I'm gonna look at Ace and Sent, but I'm gonna have to look through their filters instead of just reading what people say about them before I really give any input. As for vayne, the most suspicious thing for me at the moment is his change in attitude from D1 to D2. He had (what I consider) a very townie nonchalance before, but his recent posts have adopted a "woe is me" tone. I seem to remember hearing that vayne was a pretty good player, and I don't see good players getting this defeatist attitude just because they were wrong. Unless, that is, being wrong isn't the only thing to be upset about. There's also the point that I believe oats brought up - that rayn was *probably* buddying up to a townie, as opposed to a scumbuddy. Pedit: Ace the cop? | ||
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On June 07 2013 10:00 jaybrundage wrote: Hmm So Ace claimed cop and Oats came up red. My first reaction is to call bullshit. I mean if mafia got cop then they could bullshit a check at night. If Oats comes up green if we lynch him ace could just fall back on the miller possibility. But on the other had if ace is green then we should by all means go for it. I just have trouble seeing ace as green. The worse case scenario being that Ace is town and checks Oats who is town and miller. That would kinda suck. At the end of the day it depends on who is most likely mafia from whats going on from the thread. Between Oats and Ace i wanna say ace from his last minute vote derail Not sure it's fair to say ace is scummier for trying to derail the lynch, when oats was doing the same thing. The only difference is that oats was in position to do it before the wagon started going, while ace got apprehensive and pulled out. It's not like oats stopped trying to push ace when rayn was set to be lynched. | ||
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