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Here's a crazy idea. What if we try to get scum elected on purpose. The idea is the mayor will probably not last every long in this set-up anyways. My plan is basically we get a scummy person in the thread elected as mayor and get him to lynch the scummiest. Depending on what he does and how the flip goes we can gain a lot of good information. If the mayor is unwilling to lynch the scummiest then we can vig the mayor. If he turns red then we have caught two scum. If he does lynch him and he turns red then good, the scummiest looking player was scum. If the mayor lynches the scummiest and he turns green, then we have to seriously look at the mayor. If the mayor also turns out green, then the town really sucked. Basically we use this vote to choose our lynch target and put a scummy player in the spotlight by making him mayor. While normally having a scum mayor would really suck, the fact that there are no bodyguards make it far less risky because we can simply vig him if his play sucks. | ||
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On February 26 2013 12:30 The Macho Man wrote: why are we trying to get information instead of lynching scum? Why are you treating gathering information and lynching scum as mutually exclusive. This plan involves lynching the scum target and putting another in the spotlight. I could get it if you said something like "this plan would never work because...." or something like that, but to simply dismiss it because gathering information is bad? | ||
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On February 26 2013 12:38 The Macho Man wrote: we put someone in there that is scummy he could be town or he could be scum. If he is scum he just lynches someone that looks scummy in the thread. If he is town and is a bad player he lynches someone that might be town or scum. We figure out who is town and the best scum hunter and he will likely lynch scum. That gives us the best chance of killing scum and that is what we will do. We seem to be operating under different assumptions. Yours is that a town mayor who is good at scum hunting will both catch scum and continue to survive to do so without any bodyguards. The main idea behind my plan is that the mayor is doomed anyways, might as well use it to try to lynch mafia. | ||
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On February 26 2013 12:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: no one cares about or likes your plan so tell us who we should lynch or who you think the mayor should be. if you want to have a scum mayor, that's essentially the same question right? Honestly, I'm not good enough to figure out mafia day one based purely off what people have posted. That's partly why I find a plan which is designed get as much information as possible so appealing. | ||
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On February 26 2013 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Electing someone mayor that you think is scum doesn't give you any information. Making that decision depends on the fact that you can figure out mafia on day one since you would need to do that anyway to elect a scum mayor. You're not making sense to me. Are you purposely trying to mis-interpret me? How does somebody being mayor and how he plays not give you information? Electing someone mayor puts them in the spot light and puts a ton of pressure on them. You admitted this yourself when you said you didn't want to be mayor. What they do with this allows town to understand them better. If I was for sure he was scum I wouldn't make him mayor I would lynch him. | ||
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On February 26 2013 14:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why not just put a ton of pressure on someone because you think they're scum anyway? I don't understand why they have to be mayor or what conditions you would find acceptable. So are you going to vote for your top scumread to be mayor as a form of pressure? Why not just call them out in the thread and try to convince people to lynch him? You can't know whether the person is scum or not and they're going to be pressured as mayor either way so.... I just don't get it. Enlighten me because you've done a poor job of explaining your plan or whatever it is you have. My question is why you think this is somehow more helpful than just old fashioned scumhunting. So far it seems like this is just your way of being able to get away with not actually accusing anybody because you're afraid to. You have to think of this from the mind-set that mayor is screwed and follow me from there. Mayor has no bodyguard so he's likely to die. Might as well have the person likely to die be a scum suspect. If you read my initial plan my top scum read is not voted as mayor. He's what I pressure the scum suspect mayor to lynch. If scummy feeling mayor is unwilling to lynch my main scum suspect, that says a lot. I thought of this mayor election as a lynch vote. We find somebody we want to lynch and vote. However, we actually elect a scum suspect to become the mayor and force him to lynch a scum-buddy. By having my two main suspects lynch one of the other that gives me information. | ||
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And its the opposite of thinking my chances of finding two scum is very high. I'm not confident so the idea is I get two main suspects and pit them against each other. Hopefully one of the two at least is mafia. If instead its two townies then whelp, that's some bad play right there. I'm done discussing this because the plan is clearly not taking off anyways. | ||
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On February 27 2013 09:53 ObviousOne wrote: randombum Sounds like these scum-reads could be useful right now. Total scum-reads given to this point: Zero. Reading a few of the filters right now my biggest scum suspect is you. The obviousone. Your play just screams a mafia player pretending to be interested. All of your posts can be read as aggressive questioning, pointless questioning, wagon jumping, or buddying. All those things let you seem interested, but require you to commit very little to a position. Some things that stuck out: Interaction with me You try to start a band-wagon on me because of my stupid plan without actually discussing it. + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 13:58 ObviousOne wrote: And people thought my hypothetical scum-geript-mayor-gambit idea was ludicrous. A lynch for randombum is a vote from me. On February 26 2013 14:01 ObviousOne wrote: For the record I am not against the concept of a Prome or Vivax lynch so if randombum isn't on the table for one of today's candidates I can wait til D2 to vote him. But when that gained no traction you ignore it and join the prom train which everybody is agreeing with. Also, you are the few who read my mayor campaign and gave it a response. It's one of your pointless asking a question response, but the bigger thing is: If you read my post and bothered to take it somewhat seriously you could've have easily gone and found my games from the last two years which is only two games before this one. Which obviously meant it was a joke post. Interaction with Vivax At the start of the game you write On February 26 2013 10:33 ObviousOne wrote: Is Vivax running for mayor? I'd vote that. and get to On February 26 2013 14:01 ObviousOne wrote: For the record I am not against the concept of a Prome or Vivax lynch so if randombum isn't on the table for one of today's candidates I can wait til D2 to vote him. So somehow Vivax goes from your mayoral vote to a lynch you would get behind without you ever discussing him at all. It's like you are just going with the flow and going against anybody who is under heat from the thread. Even more telling with Vivax is when he comes back into the thread and people start letting up on him you post your next scum list On February 27 2013 10:14 ObviousOne wrote: My short list Prom - self explanatory, and why I'm voting VE or DocH for mayor layabout - instigating arguments instead of just ignoring the shit that apparently doesn't matter anyway Restraining Order - too restrained JungleJorge - crazy fucking plan to trap Prom Grush - Starsenses seems to be broken Again your suspects have no weight behind them, but more importantly Vivax isn't there. Even when earlier you had On February 27 2013 03:52 ObviousOne wrote: Vivax is the only one giving me a null/town read, too. I mean that's out there based on how I started the game, and I even think I mentioned I would be okay with voting someone who would lynch him. It's really... weird. There's nothing else about him before you short scum list. The last time you mention vivax you find him really weird, but he's less likely of a scum than the 4 almost non-entities in the thread? The following post really bugs me too. On February 27 2013 04:47 ObviousOne wrote: Okay, caught up on a second read-through. Going to do a couple filters now for players I don't even remember being in the game. Thanks for the idea DocH. First, its an "Oh I'm interested in the thread guys" post with no substance. Going though filters is a good idea? Why are you trying to buddy up Dr.H when reading filters should be standard. Everything you say makes you sound interested, but there is no stance behind any of them except the highly popular prom lynch. | ||
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Concerning prom, the fact that he just gave up and literally said screw you guys is pretty damning. I originally felt like the fact he had no defense and EVERYBODY was willing to lynch him was a case for him, but I'm now comfortable with seeing him lynched. If for nothing else it will give information on the main people who really pushed for him. | ||
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Main post 1 + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: Alllllllrighty VayeshMoru After a quick read through his filter, one thing is certainly obvious (aside the fact that VM is 3rd person role playing): He isn't committing to anything. VM makes a couple posts about disliking Vivax: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. On February 26 2013 10:49 VayeshMoru wrote: when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth. On February 26 2013 10:52 VayeshMoru wrote: obviousone could say this yes. But the annuls show that the discussion the one by OO has been more relevant than that of the mockery of society of the Vivax And then gives his $.02 about some other people: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote: Let the records show the the voice of Prom has slowly gone from the soothing and alluring voice of the songstress to the shriek of countless banshee's. Cult worshipping is appearing to be at an all time high. A savior is needed to clear the shadows from our light. On February 26 2013 11:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh is puzzled at the contradictions brought to bear before him. The voice of the man of water speaks of non committal when he himself fails to show commitment to the cause. The light is not finding its way into the ocean depths. Perhaps with more swimming the figure will come closer to illumination. On February 26 2013 12:20 VayeshMoru wrote: A question appears. Does this lab rat have experience in worlds outside of the team liquid? If so why would the experiment feel the need to declare his inability to perform. On February 26 2013 12:25 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds it odd that Prom feels the need to speak for a man named marv. Vayesh does not see the one by that name in this world. If he exists he must be a man of the mask. If that were the case would it not be wise to correlate that the man from prom was in some form of dealings with the masked devil On February 26 2013 12:41 VayeshMoru wrote: one world is not enough to validate a truth the man of prom is implying. However the annuls will record that the mask of the bovine has declared a correct statement. The rushing man is not in danger of the deathmachines for now. He is intentionally making a point to put his mark on a lot of different people. He seems somewhat supportive of the Prom lynch, but again, it's hard to tell, he's not committing to anything. He's largely contributing very little, but casting his little doubts upon enough people that eventually, one has to stick. I would not be sad to see VayeshMoru die. @Dr.H: How confident are you in either/or/both Prome and Vivax being scum? Are you going to continue to push them until the end of the day? I know Prome can't defend himself at this point, and I feel Vivax has not done a good job of defending himself (but last game I was convinced Vivax was scum, and I was dead wrong, so I'm being a bit more wary this time around). That basically boiled down to minor case on Viax and a relatively big case on vayesh. However, his next big post is Main post 2 + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 10:36 jcarlsoniv wrote: K, gonna try to answer the questions/comments addressed to/about me. If I missed something, let me know. (and I just completely fucked up formatting and lost my whole post, so now I'm sad) At the time of posting, I was not going to beat the dead horse (as I said previously) that was the case already made. There was nothing I could say that would have been any value that hadn't already been posted by others. So I made a stab at doing my own hunting for the future. Regarding Vivax, as I said earlier, this feels incredibly reminicent of the headbutting we did last game. You'll notice that in my absence, he has turned to pressuring me quite a bit. This is fine, but it's misguided, and very familiar. As for Vayesh, after seeing him post more, I am willing to retract my previous gut read. Despite the cryptic nature of my posting, it does seem that he's trying to contribute and be useful. (and I like reading his posts, lol) For Vayesh, please see above. For Prom - I merely reiterated what he had already said earlier: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! That was his most recent post. He also said in pregame that he would have very limited availability at this time. There are a number of people who will kill him should they be elected mayor (VE and DrH off the top of my head) If he does indeed flip red, it's the people actively avoiding voting for these candidates that should be scrutinized. I agree the geript was making a terrible case on you. I also don't like: Geript, it doesn't look like you're going to get a WoS lynch today, so unless you can actually make a real case for him, then make your case on Vivax. None of this association shit when nothing has happened yet. Bold is mine, Important parts are he has retracted both his reads with minimal explanation. The part with vayesh is especially concerning, his gut read was strong enough to write up a post, but not so strong that he is willing to retract it when it hasn't been scrutinized or mentioned very much. Those are the two main posts of his and so what I derive the majority of my read which is he looks pretty scummy. If he can explain adequately why he was so quick to change his read I'll look him over again. | ||
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On February 28 2013 17:48 geript wrote: Everyone just stop whatever they're doing and read VE's filter now. His last post makes absolutely no sense. It's also incompatible with VE's personality. He's Type A; he's a honey badger. He don't give a fuck. Why, if he's so confident in his reads, would he not pull shennannies? Why does he try to step down? VE, you best be glad I don't have a gun, because you'd be dead. It's really fucking hard to read VE because he stopped quating people when his filter is 13 pages long with almost no quotes. A lot of stuff is hard to understand without re-reading the whole 100 pages of this game. | ||
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On February 28 2013 18:04 randombum wrote: It's really fucking hard to read VE because he stopped quating people when his filter is 13 pages long with almost no quotes. A lot of stuff is hard to understand without re-reading the whole 100 pages of this game. That said, I'm going to give it a try since I only just read the parts starting from where I left off not too long ago. | ||
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