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@Mocsta On February 06 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote: You realise that your post structure is mimicking your play from Mafia LIX right? (You were scum) Agreed, the things I am writing about are not revelations. Is this game that solved for you, that anytime someone writes something it has to be 100% original and never heard of before? Is that your criteria of good town play? If you want me to expound on what constitutes solid town play. It is to avoid the copying your play. And I will comment on this for one last time. The game is not as simple as "lynch the scummiest player"; otherwise scummy looking town like you would be insta-voted off. This game requires more reason and effort put into cases to identify motives behind actions. If you cant see that, you may as well quit and let someone who wants to take this game seriously replace you. What was your rationale behind posting the bolded part? | ||
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On February 06 2013 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Fuck you VE, I WILL NEVER SUBMIT. I AM ALWAYS RIGHT AND ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLS. Also, Phagga, do you have any thoughts about, VE lurker lynching Mocsta+Me 'argument' Short on time. I agree with the lurker lynching early as we cannot differentiate between lurkers and scum later on and we have no mechanic to clear lurkers / confirm them town. Will post more later. | ||
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On February 06 2013 17:13 Mocsta wrote: I hope you do, thats essentially a re-cap of two pages of thread. I just want to add something shorty in terms of lynching lurkers: D1 lynches are often crapshots, Kitaman analysed in anohter thread that town would be better off RNG the D1 lynch generally than trying to analyse and find scum. Combine this with the beformentioned fact that we have mechanics to differentiate lukers from scum or get rid of them, I therefore embrace a lynch on a lurker on who we cannot get an alignement read, should one be available. Regarding you, Mocsta, I don't agree with VE that you tried to establish a good town atmosphere. You are writing calm, but some things you posted like Oats, this game is obviously too much of a step up in difficulty for your current forum-mafia skill level. Just quit and let someone that knows how to play replace you. are not helping creating a good town atmosphere. Did you really think Oats would say "oh well, I guess he's right, can I get a replacement GMarshal?" This subtle stabs have a tendency to poison town atmoshpere much more than the shouting of Oats did, and I did not like this at all. Considering that everything else you posted is barely alignement indicative, I'll be interested to see more from you. | ||
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On February 06 2013 18:26 Mocsta wrote: Fair enough, but are u implying that you thought his attitude was conducive to an open environment. Oats has a (recent) tendency to post one liners asking to expound points already clarified. The outcome. Shit questions get shit answers. Maybe u thought I over stepped the line in dissing him. But he was going out of his way to cherry pick sentences in a paragraph. For day1 i have been trying to promote discussion. I would contest he was actively killing the discussion. When did he promote an alternative? If you want to judge me as null fine. But don't imply he is a saint in this but referencing only me. I never wanted to imply those things. I see Oats behaviour as disruptive, and I see how he misinterpreted your posts. It is also fine that you call him out on this, it's just the way you did it on a few occasions that got my attention. On February 06 2013 18:37 Mocsta wrote: Phagga. Marv in Mafia LIX proved you can scum hunt day. As I keep saying I thought the whole point of this game setup was to mitigate lurking. Why are we talking about lurking again, and there prioritization over scum reads? If u want to counter and gibe the kitamen spiel again. Let's say your RNG plan found traction. Are you suggesting if you were the rolled lynch candidate that you would accept your fate without putting up a fight? First, I never ever wanted to suggest we RNG the votes! That would kill of discussion and is absolutely unnecessary. I just wanted to say that statistically, random lynches on D1 would be more successful than what town normally is doing, hence lynching lurkers (who can be a liability for town later on) D1 is a viable option. Nevertheless, our goal has to be to find scum and lynch them, starting D1. How the D1 lynch should go down IMO: - If we have a clear scum suspect, let's lynch him - If not, but there is a lurker who we can not get any alignement of, lynch him. Finally, only because the setup SHOULD mitigate lurking does not mean there will be no lurkers. | ||
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Also, prplhz not scum, and Palmar better gets some more content in here. | ||
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Sloosh, do you mean me talking about lurkers or about Mocsta/Oats? | ||
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On February 07 2013 01:11 JieXian wrote: + Show Spoiler + Mocsha soooo scummy!!! Clear evidence of lying and trolling up the thread since his first post: On February 05 2013 10:03 Mocsta wrote: Im pretty excited for the even day dynamics. The risk/reward of putting 3 town for nomination, reminds me of the whole bodyguard speculation. It can even go as wild as putting in 3 scum; to bus one and clear the other 2. Either way, wont talk about this anymore till game starts. On February 06 2013 11:02 Mocsta wrote: Hey all the usual stuff Im +8 GMT & nominating myself for mayor o.0 On February 06 2013 11:04 Mocsta wrote: ooo.. nominations referred to Even Days. *sigh* VE: Plan is still in action  Pretends to not know about the game when he already did speculate about the nomination mechanic... wtf is this? That coupled with oats' meta read doesn't make it look too good for you mochsta Oh Hai there. So Mocsta is scum because of a pregame post and some troll post? Have you read the rest of his filter? Have you actually read the thread? What do you think of Yamato and sloosh? What do you say about snarfs sudden dissappearance? What's your stance on lurking? Palmar On February 07 2013 02:19 Palmar wrote: Guys, I got this really good plan for tomorrow so don't lynch me today even though I might be lurking, mkay? <3 But seriously, as I know you don't read the OPs of games, let me tell you something: There are no nightkills. There are only lynches. So how about you stop trolling and start showing us your townie side? Do you think you could do that? On February 07 2013 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Phagga My notes for Phagga were a bunch of sarcastic comments and "ahmigawd stawp defending urself". He's ultra defensive yo. "OMG, I never wanted to suggest anti-town things! I most certainly am not anti-town!" (the NEVER EVER made me lol) A lot of his posts are just summing up stuff that we should be doing D1 instead of actually doing it. He also calls out Palmar, who seems to be an easy target right now. Kind of like when people want to lynch a town Mr. Z, they're always scum >.> Uh, Mocsta asked me questions under the wrong assumptions, that's why I wanted to make it clear to him that he did assume wrong things? You even posted the relevant quotes from him. Not sure why this is bad. Assuming Palmar is town, he knows nothing about prplhz alignement. Prplhz posts are not scum indicative for me, so he is a null tell. Alas, I don't think he is scum, and if Palmar is serious about his vote on prphlz (which I doubt), then he better explains why. | ||
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On February 07 2013 05:45 yamato77 wrote: The Man of the Hour! How nice of you to appear! What are YOUR thoughts on Yamato/Sloosh? You conveniently forgot to mention us in that post there. I was rereading your dialogue with Sloosh, and the other post was already big enough. I don't like how you accused him of making an association case (which he was clearly not), and how you tried to dodge his questions. you not wanting to give town reads is not really alignment indicative. You're case on Mocsta is rather weak, the tone of his posts vs Oats is completely different than what you posted from his scum game. Your reaction to sloosh's questions feel over the top. You seem to bark at him for no good reason instead of just trying to answer his questions. It feels partially like someone who just got caught in the act and tries to hide it. Specially the following two posts stick out: On February 07 2013 03:42 yamato77 wrote: I said I agree with the general scumminess of phagga, in that he has some of the things I think mafia might do in his play so far. What I didn't tell you is why I doubt those, and I'm not going to. You've got to do better than equate phagga to Mocsta to prove he's scum. You're making an association case here, which is incredibly scummy this early in day 1. and On February 07 2013 03:45 yamato77 wrote: Let's talk about why YOU think Phagga is mafia, Sloosh. You've said you think I should because of similarity to Mocsta, but aside from your first post you've done little to justify the read in the way of meaningful analysis from a personal perspective. Afterwards everything else is just you attacking him until prplhz points out to you that it might be beneficial for you to actually answer slooshs question. The way you explained why you thought I was town actually showed that you have reasons to believe so, and it's not because you'd actually know my alignment, which seems townish. Still, due to your reaction I slightly lean scum on you. Regarding Sloosh: Nothing I have read so far indicates that he would be scum. | ||
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##Vote JieXian Regarding Palmar: he is trolling hard, I dont know if all you got this: On February 07 2013 01:41 phagga wrote: Regarding Palmar, I dont like how he throws a vote without explanation and then in his next post he implies: "Guys, I got this really good plan for tomorrow so don't lynch me today even though I might be lurking, mkay?" Sloosh, do you mean me talking about lurkers or about Mocsta/Oats? On February 07 2013 02:19 Palmar wrote: Guys, I got this really good plan for tomorrow so don't lynch me today even though I might be lurking, mkay? Nevertheless, he is trolling D1 as either town or scum, and I know how good a player he can be, so I hesitate to lynch him for now. prplhz dissappearance is worrying, might be timezone related. His filter is devoid of analysis. I hope to see some more from him in the next few hours. I will read up on Djo and Snarfs at the next possibility and comment on them. | ||
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I agree completely that it makes him look even worse, hence no need to change my vote. | ||
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On February 07 2013 19:06 Mocsta wrote: My gripes with prplhz (Post 1) Here he breaks up the fight which is NOT alignment indicative. The problem is how he does it. He focuses on activity as a reason to stop the fight. Hes not addressing what me and Oats are having issues about (unlike others who also tried to break the fight). In fact, his reasoning is related to image. Your activity (image) is sufficient to not lynch you today. Isn't it scum who are constantly worried about image when it comes to lynches? It is also weird, he says "im sure theres something you missed" as if he thinks we are both town. He hasnt justified we are both town in any way, shape or form; so its as if, he knows we are town (Post 2) He defends oats (by request of Djo) as a town read; by virtue of "fervor and insight". Odd, fervor agreed. insight, I dont think anyone here has said oats has tried to input insight into this game; its as if he got confused between me and oats; which indicates lack of care when reading. The other problem is as already pointed out, he lashes out the town read, but where is the scum read? (Post 3) Banter with palmar after the vote. waste of a post, but could be made from any alignment. (Post 4) So after all the happenings in the thread with me/oats, djo/RNG etc, palmar/vote (prplhz); prplhz last contribution is in line with sl0osh questioning of yamato. I had to read this a few times, because at first, when I was in the heat of the moment I thought it was a fair question to yamato. But the more I read it, the more I dont like it. (a)Why is he jumping in to white knight sl0Osh? prplhz still hasnt given a scum read; and has only given a town read on oats. This is an odd post to choose to contribute with. (b) Why is he trying to threaten/bully Yamato into giving this information out (by saying.. hey you dont want sl0oish on ya case). He could have just said the last line "read is void, unless you can explain it" (c) The most off putting is "which is not something we generally want out of a townie". This is nit picking into English language, but the phrasing is not from a 1st person perspective. Its actually referencing townie as a separate object. In this case, as scum; town is a separate object. I think if town to town were interacting it would read "generally town do not want this to happen day 1".. So yes, based on the above, prplhz has made a conscious effort to not divulge scum reads; has not provided any insight; he reasons for stopping the fight were based on reasonings aligned with image; and has not been present in the thread since. ##Vote: prplhz Regarding Post 1: At that point only few people had posted, and you/Oats were the most active by far. If he felt unsure about you two being scum, I think it is only fair to say that you guys are not good lynch targets for now since you were both so active. This is also confirmed with his Post 2, where he writes that it would be foolish at that point to lynch the two most active players when there is no solid case. I agree it can be interpreted the way you do, but I feel you read a bit too much into that post, or take knowledge into your interpetation that was not available at the time when he made that post. Regarding Post 2: I agree with you on the "insight" thing, that IS rather strange to say at that point. Post 3: Perhaps some sort of light pressure? Prplhz and Palmar know each other for quite some time I think (I played with both in Werewolfes II about a year ago, and they weren't playing in the same game for the first time then.) Post 4: I missed it the first time round, but that sentence IS interesting. The way it is written it either means that he knows that Yamato is town or he reads Yamato as town, for which he has before not given any indication. On the other side, he has not done any analysis up to that point, so it is difficult to see from which side he is coming there. I know prphlz sometimes needs some time to gear up. He is not the trolly kind of player (unlike palmar) as town, but I have seen town games from him where he was very quite D1. Therefore I still hope to see some more content from him. I think JX is a much better option currently. The only town point I can think for prplhz is that I havent seen someone roll scum two games in a row. I think prplhz once rolled scum 4 games in a row, somewhen last summer IIRC. | ||
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On February 08 2013 01:02 JieXian wrote: if you're going to lynch me because I wasn't around then you're bloody stupid. Somebody tell me how Djo's RNG nonsense isn't scummy? It's your fault if you are not active, don't try to shift the blame on town. Who is your top scum read and why? | ||
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On February 08 2013 01:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @VE Please hurry with your "to-do" list on me. This game has been incredibly odd for me, because I'm used to people being like "omg ur scum" and slap me with a case. Being pressured helps me get reads on my accuser, so please do point out anything you find troubling with my play. I'll say to you what I said to Yamato in British: c'mon bro, tunnel me. I see Phagga just randomly wants to lynch JX now for the same restated reasons, seems legit. Interesting stance on prphlz, however, seems like you put a lot more into that read than JX's (or did you simply just want to see more from prphlz?) Why the hell is nobody lynching snarfs right now? Get off of Palmar at least if anyone still wants to lynch him D1. Yes, I put more into the read on prplhz than on JX, which has also to do with the amount of posts existing at that point (there were like 2 from JX?). I wanted to see more from both, but chose to pressure JX via vote. I had some confidence that prphlz would show up in the thread again anyway. Since he has posted more meanwhile, I can say now that I don't see him as scum currently. He has laid out his thoughts clearly so far and is now pushing to get more people talk about jaybrundage, who he is worried about. | ||
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Also, you think it's good town play to wait for the very last second to show you are town? | ||
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On February 08 2013 01:25 Snarfs wrote: Okay, I'm caught up give me another little bit to get to my computer and I'll do up that case on VE. I don't think prplhz is a good lynch. Normally when prplhz is town I feel like he's scummy and right now I feel like he's scummy so he's probably town. Last time we played together we were both scum and he was a lot more tunnely. Last time I was town I tried to lynch him because he gives off this just blending in vibe that I picked up this game from his first couple of posts - my immediate reaction was to agree with Palmar that he's scum, but I double checked these last two games I'm talking about and this seems much more in line with town prplhz. tl;dr you think this is his town meta, right? What do you think is scummy about prplhz? Can you reference the two games you are talking about? | ||
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