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I checked code S group and TLPD,found something interesting.
All the players who playing in both code S and proleague haven't a good score in proleague by now.They just normal or worse.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/leagues/3224_2012-2013_SPL/player_stats#tblt-523-1-7-DESC
ID win/lose ELOpts
taeja 6-3 2054
soulkey 6-4 2032
stephano 2-2 1996
bogus 6-8 1970
TY 5-7 1967
roro 6-8 1964
huk 0-2 1964
None of them got in the proleague ELO ranking top 10.
In my opinion, code S is top level tourney,a player is one of the best32 in gsl,and his boss paid him for proleague, a league seems not as tough as code S,of cause he will be the bests in proleague. right? but TLPD told me something different,why?
Any logical reasoning about this?
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Difference of map pool not the answer obviously. They paid for proleague win. Practicing mainly on proleague maps, not GSL. Practicing everyday almost for proleague, not for gsl, but can't win as more as on maps they didn't practicing so much. How did this happen?
And it's not a title comparing proleague players with ESF players.Just asking why some proleague players who got a code S badge in their spare time,harder to carry out works their Boss paid them for:win in proleague
Please read question again:
it's not a thread about "foreigner vs. proleague"or "proleague vs. ESF".
This is "Proleague players" vs." Proleague players with code S badge",and the former did better work than the latter in proleague.
Why? code S means nothing or minus?
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I think the most obvious off-the-cuff response you'll receive is the format differences and the incredibly difficult code A and up and downs (means that some of the best proleague players wont necessarily always make it to code S)
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That settles it then, proleague is better than gsl!
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They're entirely different tournament structures where different skillsets can be used, different maps and bo1 games.
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Comparing a Bo1 where you can at best guess and assume which opponent you will play to a BoX where you can prepare for the specific players feels just wrong.
They are simply completely different formats.
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Because Proleague is different.
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Counter question: Why are the top proleague players not doing well in GSL? Seems they are not Code S level ...
(always view it both ways 
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I think if anything it just shows how difficult top level SC2 can be.
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Korea (South)5014 Posts
if we used to judge people in a bo1 goswer would be better than life.
just sayin'
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The maps are reaaaaaally different, and while proleague only players can practice them, people playing in code S can't. Also ex broodwar players are obviously super good too, so..
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The GSL guys spend most of their preparation on GSL opponents and maps and vice versa for pro league.
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Bo1 is unforgiving and different maps
you don't always see code S players excelling at GSTL either.
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And what happened to all those kespa players in GSL? o.o
Also proleague is not the equivalent to GSL (an individual league). You don`t play a boX against one specific opponent in proleague.
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cuz the maps are different. people bring up that previously they've had to practice for osl and/or msl along with pl, but those leagues had map overlap with PL. for a long time there was like 2(??) maps that overlapped between kespa and gom. also the kespa maps and gom maps play out very differently.
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Canada16217 Posts
Different formats, different maps.
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bogus and ty are kinda slumping right now (they played better a few weeks ago imo) huk isnt really code s, he just got there by some kind of strange power wanting to ve a bad player in code s, taeja sk and stephano doing okay i think, roro is just not that good
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In one format you have to be smart, in the other format you have to be a perfect robot. Some people are smart and some people are robots.
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Proleague is a new format for the older SC2 players and it has new maps which gives fresh and sometimes surprising builds that can catch them off guard. The KeSPA teams also has relatively new players to SC2 so VODs are a bit rare while themselves can be studied in loads of content (although this might not really be an acceptable excuse any more).
I think it has to do with how much passion the separate teams has for PL and the chance of winning itself. And last but not least, a lot of KeSPA players such as Rain are clearly at Code S level or close to it. The difference in level is closing in each day.
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Proleague has first of all a different system. The other reason is in this case the map pool, you don't prepare as hard on those maps if they aren't in CodeS. The more valuable tournament for most people.
So Imo it is completely logical. And since Kespa and Esf have different priorities it will ever be that way. It is stuff for the eternal discussion of who is better. (well until parting will win all the kespa tournaments)
But I think EG/TL will do better with more experience in this format. I mean there is always a homeground advantage in some tournaments.
Also ewww Best of 1 so random ... just kidding ... but it annoyed me when it was mentioned after a kespa player lost in the up and downs.
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The only answer I can say is Snipers tbh
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EPT
