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On January 25 2013 01:54 Stutters695 wrote: Aren't you in your 4th now moc? If not you can join. Unless we get some sign-ups before 5pm I'm going to switch this to a 2 of 4 setup and we'll get this going today or tomorrow. I'll add you as a coach when I get home from school Marsh. What is a "2 of 4 setup"? | ||
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On January 26 2013 11:16 warbaby wrote:
Dunno, aggressive behaviour is important IMO so long as its not too confirmation biased blah blah. Gotta put pressure on scum, make em crack. Either way, I won't be around for the first lynch since I'm gonna be out of town at a concert, so I'll make sure to have a vote in before it comes to that. Currently, my plan is to lynch a lurker, but in a smaller 9-person game this might be less of an issue (not sure). GLHF | ||
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Either way, I expect substantially higher quality posts from Acid, and that particular one sounded a LOT like "hey look at me I'm getting in my post, hopefully I sound generically townie" from a scum perspective. Something about the post just sounds hollow. Eh, its not enough to make judgements at this stage. To be fair to acid, his methods were pretty aggressive (and rightly so) last game, so defending that method of play makes sense. Meanwhile: We need more posts overnight if I am to have any chance of making an informed vote before I disappear. I probably won't be able to post much later than 8-10 hours pre-lynch so posts and content PLEASE. There are only 9 people so it's pretty easy to see who is and isn't lurking. | ||
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On January 27 2013 03:16 SkaPunk wrote: I'm here ready for this awesome game. Acid is mad already! Big first post... Assuming you are new, I'll let you know that there are some expectations regarding the content and volume of posts that you contribute. That one doesn't really qualify under content considerations. However, this is the Acid I'd much rather play with, to be honest. He is a bit heavy on the personal insults in his arguments but the emotion is tough to fake and his analysis (once there is something to analyze) is pretty spot on. At the moment I can draw a LOT of parallels between warbaby and mocsta last game (and that coach claim looked really scummy WB. Really scummy). I'd like other peoples thoughts on WB's town/coach claim. | ||
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On January 27 2013 04:17 Slayalot wrote: After reading pages 5,6,7 over a few times - I can't find anyone els who is "making a case against him". So what exactly do you mean? From my perspective, you are the only one attacking Acid. And in a kind of aggressive way. I'm not saying that makes you a scum, but I don't think it's wise to make people afraid to post. If you can extract that much information from what Acid has written so far, you are either damn good at this game, or just very interested in pointing a finger at someone. Also. SkaPunk. your post doesn't count as a real post to me  . You're still a lurker in my eyes. You're gonna have to write some more. What are you going to contribute with, for day 1 ?I mentioned I thought acid's first post was a low-contribution one that a scum could make if they wanted to LOOK like they were doing stuff. | ||
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 On January 27 2013 04:52 warbaby wrote: Snoman, I was trying to scumhunt. Mocsta tried to look like he was scumhunting in XXXV. It makes sense that there would be parallels. And yeah, Acid~ seems to be acting much more himself now I don't think claiming town is scummy D1 -- it basically means nothing -- but doing it indirectly could be interpreted as an attempt to be sneaky and implant suggestions or something. I promise you I am not that sneaky. A) "trying to scumhunt" is a bit rich at this stage. You are/were both trying to take control of town. And you are using the same methods. Additionally, trying to scumhunt and trying to look like you are scumhunting are 2 very different things, and should be reasonably distinct. B) Overt town-claims are scummy as hell. Real town doesn't need to claim, their actions speak louder than their words. | ||
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I'm not attacking you, and I'm not discouraging scumhunting. I'm discouraging town-claims (HI GUYS I"M TOWN CUZ I SAID SO. THAT MEANS YOU SHOULDN'T LYNCH ME), and I'm discouraging attempts to take over town by people who I don't have a town read on yet. Either way, I'm also posting in the hopes that my posts will spark any kind of input whatsoever from the people who have yet to pipe up. If its like this ~12 hours from now I'll be forced to vote a lurker. | ||
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Clearly AFKing and SkaPunk are the 2 least active players by a wide margin, and while SkaPunk did make a post, it really doesn't count as such. I'll vote for him in the hopes that AFKing's first post is worth something... or doesn't happen if you get my drift. ##Vote: SkaPunk | ||
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Nice game of mafia we have going here  For those who were curious, I voted when the vote was 1-1 SkaPunk and AFKing. I had noticed that Abenson was in fact glurio, and that he had at least made a post worth more than the other 2, so I had narrowed down my vote to those two at this point. I gave my reason for SkaPunk over AFKing, and while obviously SkaPunk flipped town, I'm with Cora on this lynch: we had no chance of hitting scum beyond a pure shot in the dark. I'd like to say that Cora's overt comments about 3 scum seem pretty dirty. The setup explicitly says that there are always 2 mafia, and Cora's last game (NMM XXXIV) was another 9 person 2-scum setup much like this one. Cora also co-hosted NMM 35 so he should understand the setup better than that. It sounds a lot to me like "Oh I can't possibly be scum, scum would know how many scum there are". Of course, I may be giving him too much credit, that plan actually sounds pretty hard to come up with on your own, but I suppose scum have a QT for ideas like that. I'll re-read what little there is to read analytically and make more posts tonight I guess. The game is going to be pretty awkward with the amount of lurking/not contributing going on right now though. | ||
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On January 29 2013 00:49 cDgCorazon wrote: Sn0 you can chalk it up to me not looking at the link to the set-up. Once the game starts, I don't look at the pregame posts too much. I made another mistake of not reading when I said Mocsta was a replacement when he actually isn't. I'm asking you to call it a mistake based off of ignorance, nothing more. I just gave a bunch of reasons why I don't think that ignorance is a real excuse for that particular mistake. That being said, it is obviously POSSIBLE for you to be ignorant, I just find it unlikely that YOU of all people would actually make a setup mistake that basic. @Town: I'd like to hear thoughts on this. He already played a 2scum9player setup just like this one (his last game), and he co-hosted a game. Plus I gather he has a history of being very well informed/inquisitive regarding setup etc. On January 29 2013 00:49 cDgCorazon wrote: I would like to see a last will from Sn0, WB, Acid, and whoever else feels like they need to make one. I'm going to be very busy today, but I'll post some thoughts closer to the deadline. I'll be dropping something akin to a last will near the night deadline, and while I encourage the others to as well, I find it somewhat hard to believe that somebody not named Sn0_Man, cDgCorazon or Warbaby might get NK'd. Take that for what you will. | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:42 warbaby wrote: That was an awesome post Zare. I will review the thread with what you've said in mind. How could you possibly have known this? Before stutter's PSA, there was not a single post in the entire thread indicating that abenson was glurio. Did someone tell you in the scum QT? And if you did know this as you claim, why the fuck didn't you point it out as soon as Corazon voted for abenson? Ambiguity like this is only going to hurt town, if you're town you should be trying to clear stuff like this up, ASAP. Not pulling it out 12 hours later like it's evidence in a case. A) you know full well I was away when Cora posted his vote. B) I wasn't using it as evidence in a case I was merely explaining my vote in detail C) I knew abenson was out for glurio because I was looking through the filter list for glurio and couldn't find him. Admittedly this was a logical fallacy because it could have been AFKing who glurio replaced, and I would have been none the wiser, but I assumed it was abenson because his was the last name on the list and I hadn't seen him post. Either way, I had him discounted as glurio. | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:03 warbaby wrote:Right after your vote for SkaPunk, before you left, I mentioned abenson. I pressed Post, then I pressed Shut Down. I was unaware that I needed to explain to you that glurio was part of the game. @Glurio: Care to post some analysis? in 9-person games (with now 8 living people of which not all have posted) voting summaries are somewhat self-evident, and in any game they don't really earn you townie points. Your last game you didn't get much chance to play, so I'd like to get a feel for your game. What do you think of Slayalot (his filter should be pretty easy to go through), and which parts of Zarepath's analysis of Cora strike you as best/worst? | ||
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Warbaby's vote switching is odd, and is mildly reminiscent of scum jumping around, but with a crummy day 1 like we had I'm not sure we can read too much into anybody's vote. I mean, I can see a town motive of merely doing anything possible to try and trigger posts, but it is a lot easier to see the scum player overthinking the votes and trying to not be identified with the obviously wrong bandwagon. Then again, if I'm scum I'm holding firm with my vote on a indefensible lurker, because it's horrendously safe. Then again, so were his abenson/afking votes so... Yeah maybe this looks worse than I thought. I would like to hear zare's thoughts on the vote given that he asked for a clearly consolidated vote, and then was *not* part of the consensus SkaPunk vote. | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:47 warbaby wrote: You don't mind that Corazon voted for someone you knew wasn't in the game? That really makes it sound like your true motivation was not actually to help pressure lurkers. Thanks for answering my questions. I've had my say on this, and the open questions on my voting pattern. I'll shut up about it for now. I agree that we need to hear more about this from everyone else. I, Currently, don't mind that Cora voted for somebody that he thought was in the game. Complex? no. The fact that I believed abenson wasn't a part of the game is immaterial. I suppose you could say that Cora seems to have been acting fairly ignorant of, well, a lot of aspects of this game that I would expect him to be on top of. I'm not calling that scummy yet, but it isn't helping my read on him overall. | ||
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On January 29 2013 03:11 warbaby wrote: That last sentence is weird. First of all is the setup error. Failing to understand the rules/setup is scummy. I'm also guilty of this. Second, why is he thinking about the mafia coach, and why is he even using the word coach after I got bonked by marv for mentioning coaching. Third, the sentence really doesn't help explain his vote at all, so it's a little odd that he included it in the first place. Finally, it looks like he was trying to spark setup speculation (and succeeding at it), which can be a way for scum to smokescreen/prevent more important discussion from taking place. ... Setup and rules misunderstandings are townie. Scum are in close contact with a scum coach who clears most of that stuff up for them, especially the number of scum rofl. What was scummy was Cora's blatant misrepresentation of the setup. I'll admit it was kinda like he was trying to spark off topic speculation and discussion, but FWIW the setup in the 2of4 game is really really simple so there isn't much speculation room. @glurio: There you go. More posts like that please. I'd rather not have to prompt you all the time, but that was a great start. @Slayalot (and Acid): JUST MAKE POSTS PLEASE | ||
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On January 29 2013 05:27 Slayalot wrote: Why would you assume the last person on any list? So I'm looking through the list in the OP for glurio's filter, to judge his contributions. I get to the end, and he isn't there. "hey, where did glurio go?" I glance at the list again and I see this abenson guy, sitting right at the end (glurio was the last guy to /in), whose name I don't recognize and who hasn't posted a word since start. "oh, that must be glurio I remember something about him replacing in". Host hadn't updated the "important posts" part of the OP at that point so it was reasonable to assume that he hadn't updated the filter list either. People need to calm down about this. On January 29 2013 05:27 Slayalot wrote: Thought 2: Right after we lynched a townie, warbaby seemed very nervous. Triple posting. Being too tired and misunderstanding stuff. And right after - pointing fingers at the people who voted for skapunk. (me, sn0 and glurio) You seemed very scummy to me, right there and then. Reading the thread today, I was hoping that there would be more talk about this. But I just have the feeling that you are one step ahread, always redirecting the thread to other people. What does everyone els think on this subject? Again, warbaby has played this game almost line for line like mocsta did last game (except moc was better at coming up with BS cases, something that WB hasn't grown into yet). I've indicated that I find that scummy, but there quite simply hasn't been enough people posting for there to have been legitimate discussion regarding that. I'm glad you bring it up though. Posting anything helped your cause a lot, because your first post yesterday really smacked of scum putting in the mandatory 1 post + vote without contributing ANYTHING to the hunt for scum. At this point, however, you are still pretty high up on the lynch list, so keep posting | ||
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@Zare: he reminds me a lot of mocsta, but you will notice that It wasn't me who really outed mocsta. I'm bad at seeing through play like this to real motives. I'll say more around deadline. | ||
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