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zarepath
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zarepath
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I would rather no-lynch on the first night than lynch lurkers, personally. I would think that first day lurkers in a newbie mafia game are more likely than not to be bored townies, especially considering the slow-roll start to this mafia game. I think that engaging in a Lynch Lurkers policy assumes that our town environment will be poor, and I'd rather simply create an environment without lurkers. I don't know how I feel about Mocsta's summary plan. I think people should be smart enough to realize who's contributing and who's not on their own, and a summary like that every twelve hours gives the impression of contributing without actually doing it. | ||
zarepath
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I've only played one other game online, and it's that filter. I was an active mafia, possibly too active and then a little too defensive when attention was called upon me. | ||
zarepath
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Reads: I agree with Mocsta on Spaghetticus -- the question about the mafia QT is suspicious, and his responses have an over-defensive tone, with a lot of "I don't knows" and "your claims are wishful thinking or deliberate misinterpretation." A townie would not be so defensive as to attack the person voting -- a townie would know, and agree, that not knowing something like that would be a kind of scum tell, and certainly wouldn't attack the other townie for "wishful thinking or deliberate misinterpretation." | ||
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StriX: Do you consider my no-lynch comment more scummy than any other contribution in this thread? | ||
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On January 04 2013 00:20 Spaghetticus wrote: In between this game, and last, however, I came across some information that implied that scum were alone to begin with, and got the QT come night. What info where? | ||
zarepath
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What strikes me as more odd is the fact that you are so adamant about how this is such a scummy thing to say because it lets lurkers get away scot free, but in place of putting pressure on lurkers (as your policies would/should drive you to do), instead you are putting pressure on an active player who is already contributing. If flushing lurkers is so important, why aren't you asking questions of TemiL (the Hero) and StriX? | ||
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Omni, Strix, TemiL, jangi, and Corazon are the players I need to participate more before we can get more solid scum reads. Most of it now has been active players suspecting other active players because they're the only ones with anything to read and dissect. | ||
zarepath
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Examine Sylencia's filter. I'd like to know what others think about this. + Show Spoiler + Sylencia's first post is a non-convicted declaration of his policy on lynching lurkers, which "changes depending upon the flow of the game," and ends with a hope that people don't wait until the last minute to vote or come out with new analysis. In doing so, he adds the caveat "(assuming their info is good)." Already trying to discredit in-depth analysis at the last minute. Mafia would hate last-minute vote changes, as they've already planned on and around another outcome. If one of their own is being targeted, a last-minute vote change wouldn't be in their favor as there wouldn't be enough people around to necessarily make it successful, and when their mafia flips red, it incriminates them as well. Also, his answer to Corazon's "how do mafia mislead us" post is a very vague, general one that basically says "when in the last game they misled us." No concrete new info, very non-committal on everything. Possibly scum. Next post is a simple time zone declaration. Next post is involving him in the useless "should blues lie?" debate, with the "duh!" statement of "you can't expect cops to say 'yes' if someone asks them if they are a cop." And that's all he says. Contributes nothing, but went out of his way to do it. Possibly scum. Next post he bandwagons on calling out Spaghetticus for the QT slip, and puts pressure on TemiL to post something. Next post he says "the only person we're waiting on now is Strix." This is basically a non-post that can be construed as being productive. Possibly scum. Continues pressure on Spaghetticus in a passive-aggressive way, then notes Strix's absence again. Possibly scum. Changes his mind on Spaghetticus "after looking at it again," but doesn't provide his reasoning. Suggests that all of us should be stepping it up, but has done literally zero stepping it up himself. Shifts attention from his noncontributions onto others' noncontributions. Also, he gives a thought about newbies posting more so as to help town out more. A little out of his way and a little sweet for my taste, especially considering the substance of what he's posted. Possibly scum. Next post he essentially takes credit for Mocsta's post, saying "I was going to say that same thing but I was busy reading! Good one!" This is the equivalent of a "+1". Taking credit for others' contributions without having to contribute anything, and all of these pseudo-contributions are aimed towards Spaghetticus, along with the caveat that "after looking at it again it could have just been a slip," given with no reasoning. So on the flip he has a backdoor. Possibly scum. Next post he closes that backdoor and uses a non-tell on Spaghetticus to FoS him -- his dramatic quote about lynching lurkers even if there's a good scum tell. Saying you're going to vote out the lurkiest player, especially that dramatically, is hardly a scum tell at all; and if it were, it would be a big, enormous one because it was so emphatic, and would warrant a vote over an FoS if Sylencia really believed it. Next post is just him saying he won't talk to Spag in real life about it -- unnecessary, flooding the thread with non-contributions. Final post is entirely on theory and policy, at a time when more than enough names are being tossed around for him to contribute something much more concrete. A waste of effort and discussion, and scummy. | ||
zarepath
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Omni: I left right after because of RL issues. I know that's not ideal, but I'd been hawking the thread all day and I had stuff to do. I still say that hypothetically mentioning a no-lynch over a blind LAL is the huge scum tell that you think it is, Omni. Mafia would rather have a lynch on a non-mafia lurker than a no-lynch, and mafia can control whether or not they lurk. I still have an #FoS on Sylencia; he's answered my case at each point, but it doesn't change the tone and vibe of all of his posts put together for the first 24 hours. | ||
zarepath
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Omni: I don't know what "fear of putting himself out there" you're talking about. I went out of my way to make a case on an active player that nobody else was even talking about, analyzed his entire filter, and you even admit that it's a good case. I don't see how I am not putting myself out there here. All you yourself have done in your case against me is harp on a single line that isn't relevant (or even scummy imo; but apparently that is a policy debate), and say that I have a fear of putting myself out there. That's not a case; that's a soft read based off of confirmation bias and a willingness to ignore all my positive contributions. | ||
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Additionally, how is asking someone to participate more scummy? That is decidedly pro-town behavior, and I can understand being offended by it when you feel you've been actively contributing, but I simply wanted to hear more from you and threw you in the list. | ||
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On January 04 2013 14:54 Mocsta wrote: So we go back to.. zarepath, what is you motivation? If (/When) I go through your filter; Do you think I will find town or scum motivations? Considering you are hawking the thread always, I am keen to hear your thoughts before I progress with this further I see you already read my filter (went to bed right after those posts and just now got up), but since you addressed me directly, I'll still respond -- I'm pretty sure you'll find town motivations. I am surprised that those who have voted for me (Sylencia, Omni) have done so without an analysis of my filter, especially considering we're early in the game and it should be decidedly easy to do so. I'm wary of tunnel-visioning either of them simply because they've voted for me and I don't want confirmation bias via OMGUS. | ||
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Note that I am calling into question the rationale of their votes against me by observing they haven't even gone through my filter thoroughly, not calling for them to be lynched (although I did give a scum read against Sylencia earlier). It is purely a defensive observation. | ||
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On January 05 2013 04:33 OmniEulogy wrote: Also spag I only read your last post as writing this and I have no idea what you are talking about. I think you have this made up illusion that I have something against you because of NMM XXXIII. Get over it. You are trying to get people to think that we can't agree on anything and that our opinions will always be different. As I know I am town, I can only see it as a move to try to divide townies and get us to lose faith in each other, please stop or I'll assume its scum motivated instead of you dwelling too much on the past. That doesn't sound like a townie defense to me. Please be less emotional, and there's no need to go out of your way to say "As I know I am town." I look forward to reading your longer post soon, grateful you're not voting for me, and am working on a long post of my own. | ||
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He offers no contribution now, and if he's replaced, that person will be even harder to read because they've already had a chance to see all of Day 1 and can adapt accordingly if they're mafia. We lose a non-contributor at worst, while still gaining info from the flip. I don't feel strongly enough about any of my suspicions to start a new campaign, and I don't feel strongly enough about either of the other two alternatives to put my vote there. | ||
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