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/in Holidays are coming up for me anyways, I'll have more time. | ||
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To answer the questions proposed: 1) I still am not sure whether or not lurker kills on day 1 are good, it's a high variance move which I don't necessarily like, but if no one has come off as being scummy, it's better than having an obvious mislynch. 2) I'm sure there will be some sort of pressure voting happening in this game, especially since we don't know how many mafia there are, they could easily start ganging up on one person and it'd be a lot harder to detect than last game where it was guaranteed to be 2 members, it could be fairly high at 3 + even a serial killer who would be willing to lynch anyone since they don't care whatsoever. 3) I don't even know if I have a slight allergy to them, my mouth gets itchy when I eat prawns  Moc: Low quality post are just filler posts which doesn't really help encourage discussion or which are kind of pointless and can be considered just posting to create noise. The latter is the type I dislike more though, since it becomes a lot harder to catch up on the thread without getting lost and having to backtrack and read again. | ||
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On December 19 2012 11:09 Mocsta wrote: @Sylencia I appreciate that you are busy today. At some stage in the game, all of us will be in the same situation. For me personally though, this does not make you void from a vote. For the time being ##fos:Sylencia I will re-consider once I have read more comments from yourself. Not saying I'm always going to be busy, I was just stating that you might consider me a lurker for now but that's just due to the schedule I have over the 2 days in which this period runs. I wasn't using it as an excuse to try exclude me from a vote. | ||
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I have played in 1 game - Newbie XXXII where I lost as a vanilla townie. I've now also caught up on the thread a little, but at this point in time I really can't get anything out of the group. Unlike the previous game in which I played, there was a lot of activity early on and so everyone had to kind of get involved and in the action, but this game seems to be the opposite, where no one seems that keen/willing to talk. This definitely brings the advantage to the scum since they currently don't feel pressure in needing to talk, so if they don't talk, they don't reveal anything to us. I guess what's happened is an attempted case to bring up stuff against Corazon, but with only 5 or so posts to go on, there's not too much to talk about. I'm not sure myself though where the topic could lead to, but I'll be here for a few hours if anyone wants to discuss anything. | ||
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If you're town, please don't just roll over and die, defend yourself better, make a case for yourself and actually help out the town rather than stating that there are facts out there and people just need to see it and find it for themselves to show that you're not scum. I am going to be forced to vote in about 8 hours, and if someone hasn't made a good case for someone else being scum (or if you haven't shown why you are actually town) , I will most likely be voting for you. (I understand that there is another case going for Mocsta at the moment, so I will be rereading what people have been saying about that too before I decide.) Call it sheeping or what not but last night I didn't have enough information and today I only have time to read everything once so I will be relying a lot on what other people have said to make my decision. | ||
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Corazon: Remember that while most of us are newbies, there are players who have obs'd a few games before this, and seen the inner workings on how scum players play, what newbies do and general scum reads. Putting it into practice is of course a lot harder though. But don't be intimidated by all that, just play your best game and hope for the best. Now, for who I am going to vote for - at the moment my thoughts are actually quite split multiple ways. First, I said I wanted to vote threesr, but I feel like the behaviour displayed shouldn't be considered TOO deeply (but still considered of course) because while it annoys a lot of people, the statements made were mostly just noise. However, the unvoting and voting of different targets makes me feel uneasy, as everyone who he has voted for has been in the firing line at some point during the day, and I can't tell if it's a way to try pressure others into following suit by way of numbers or not. In the case of voting for Corazon - this is the easy path for me, I can simply sheep and jump onto the corazon train but I don't know if that's the right way either. He was targeted early, but this was due to the lack of reads at the time and I think that scum have jumped onto the opportunity to get someone out easy, and honestly to me the thing with Corazon is that while he is defensive, he is still clear with what he is saying and is direct in replying to things which are targetted at him. Downside is he did make a slip, and it most definitely could've been subconciously done and I don't know if I should overlook that or not - since I learned from last game you should go with the most obvious pick from the most obvious reads. I chose to ignore it last time and I paid the price by losing us the game essentially. Fatchunk I still have no idea about, I read his filter but I didn't get much from it. I really hate this, but for now I am leaning towards Corazon, since I don't want to be ignoring 'obvious' tells like I did last game. ##Vote cDgCorazon I can still change my vote for the next couple of hours before I leave but at the moment this is where I stand | ||
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fixed forgetting the bolding | ||
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On December 20 2012 14:22 Mocsta wrote: Im at work, so will make an effort to put together a well-constructed post when i get home tonight. Prob 8-9hours. I will state now for the record (in the hopes that it might prevent further sheeping) the below: I disprove of your candour in regards to sheeping. *Note: I am not calling you out as Mafia* I don't think sheeping aids the scum hunt. By taking the "easy" path, and either admitting sheeping, or just copying others quotes; you provide no information as to where your allegiance lies (i.e town or mafia). If the motives are town based, then we can not discriminate you as town easily, making the scum hunt harder. If the motives are mafia based, then you are appearing to contribute and thus and satisfy the mafia modus operandi. Ah, I should've clarified what I was saying in my post. I said it was possible to take the easy way out, but I did my vote based on the slip that he did, it wasn't purely off what others had said. I looked at the filters of the suspicious players (this part I admit I only looked at the players people were targetting) but I did come up with my own conclusion based off what I read. I was very much leaning towards voting threesr before I fully read what everyone else had said but since there was the 'accidental reveal', I can't really just ignore it. | ||
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 Will post again after I read the posts, and if anyone needs any answers from me in the meantime, feel free to post it up while I read. | ||
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Also note that this doesn't mean I'm implicating Corazon as scum, as what Omni says does make sense, but I'm not going as far as to say he is 100% town. For the previous day, we have ourselves 7/13 (or 12 if you exclude Spag himself) people voting for Spag. Along the way, what we can take away from this is that there are scum scattered around this vote. The exact number is of course unknown, but to get the ball rolling it wouldn't be unreasonable to say there was at least 2 members voting for Spag here. Spaghetticus (7): Aquanim, OmniEulogy, Mocsta, cakepie, Kickstart, Chromatically, shz I've split the votes into 3 groups, the first 3, the next 2 and the final 2. To start with the final 2 votes: These final 2 votes were essentially making the lynch guaranteed, they could have stayed with their original vote, but decided to move over for their own reasons. shz: Very willingly bandwagoned both his votes on cora and Spag, very little analysis behind the reasoning other than not liking spag's defense, a little shady in my eyes, since Cora has quite a high chance of being town, and Spag being confirmed town. Chrom: Listed out his suspicions, but then also bandwagons onto Spag, only saying that the points were already raised by others, though there is a small explanation after. Still keeping my eye out, but isn't so bad. From the middle 2, the fact this area is where the balance of the votes changes, it's likely that at least one of the three could be scum. Kickstart: Hard to say, since it's a complete opposite to last game where he posted a lot and was very active, he did make a case, but it didn't really cover too much new information it was the same as what Aqua already said, just reflavoured. Cake: Reasonable points raised, only concern is the really weird part in the middle: Being the fourth vote, having Chrom move to Spag would pretty much call for a death sentence, since I was not around and Spag won't vote for himself meaning it would be a 5/11 vote count. Other than that, looks quite constructive and open with information. From the two in the middle, I would definitely say that Kick is on my watchlist, and while I'm not entirely sure on cake, I am inclined to say he is more likely to be town. First 3 - set the ball in action: Aqua - While I don't agree that posting rationally is scum, I think most of the points found were legitimate, and could've easily convinced me. In addition, Aqua is putting his neck on the line changing his vote from Cora to Spag. Only reasons to do this are: a) Legitimately believed he found the right tells b) Plan on voting Cora (implying he is also scum) but hoping the votes didn't roll in backfired - only considered because the vote was dropped so so early on. Plan b would be a really radical move to do, and I would believe in option A more, and so I'm more inclined to believe he has a higher chance of being town. Omni: So confused. If you were adamant about Cora being scum why would you go and change your vote? In my mind it makes little sense because the way you voted for Spag made it seem like you disregarded your strong thoughts on Cora and just moved straight onto Spag because he didn't rebound from Aqua's claims too well. Just stick to your reads because the reasons behind your vote on Spag were way too speculative compared to what you thought about Cora. Mocsta: Well thought out arguments, and during the day was bringing up a lot of discussion points, I like to think of Moc as more of a townie than scum at the moment. Now - naturally this list might not actually say too much but I am going to say that it is VERY unlikely for there to be (7+Spag)/9-10 townies vote for an innocent player. There had to be some manipulation going on in, it is just a matter of finding out who. If I had to list my two suspicions from the list - I would say I am suspecting Kickstart and Omni. There is something extra about Omni which doesn't feel right, I'm not completely sure what it is but I feel like there's something there. I'll post about the non-voters next, but this one took me a lot longer since I got distracted by 2 games of dota.. | ||
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I think I worded that kinda bad, since it sounded right in my mind but it looks awkward here but I dunno how to really explain what I'm thinking... | ||
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The upside is that the thoughts on Omni seem to match up with what I posted last night, but now there's been a lot more meat put into the argument against him, but before I vote I'd like to see what the defense is like. As for orange, if we see him being mroe active today - hopefully I am too - we mght be able to get a better read on him, since at the moment it's still a little hard to nail him down as any role. Cora: I'd like to think there isn't an SK for now, since as you said there was only one kill. If cake was the SK, would you really think he'd come out and openly admit he was roleblocked, only for there to be 2 kills tomorrow? :\ | ||
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7-9 VT + 1 RB + 0-2 other blues(/SK)? 2 mafia + 1 RB seems plausible I guess, but having 2 role blockers in the game suggests a lot more blues than usual.. | ||
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On December 22 2012 17:43 Aquanim wrote: @Sylencia Who do you think you would have voted for if you'd been here near the day 1 lynch? I would say I would stick to Cora, but it's really hard to say objectively since it's already in the past and there's some bias now as to my thought process. | ||
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On December 22 2012 21:18 Aquanim wrote: @Sylencia: Who's your top scumread at the moment? If it's Omni, who's your second? It'd have to be Kick atm but only because his play has been completely different, very lurky seemed like he sheeped onto the Spag vote and it was a critical vote too, since it pretty much pushed Spag into the guaranteed to be lynched zone. I know that people have also been suspicious of FatChunk understandably, but I really want to hear a defense from him since he hasn't posted at all today - so none of that has cleared up at all. | ||
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