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Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 14 2012 06:20 GMT
#132
Holidays start, play mafia, I will

/in
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 14 2012 12:41 GMT
#138
Man I've forgotten all the stuff I learned last time... it has been far too long
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 15 2012 05:21 GMT
#161
Before roles are chosen, I'd like to point out that regardless of my role, I will likely be responding infrequently due to living in Australia, having screwy sleeping patterns, and being fairly busy. I will endeavor to bring as much to the table as possible, but there are limitations in place.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 19 2012 02:00 GMT
#268
K first post :D

LAL: I think LAL the policy is stupid, but think LAL the conversation about whether to implement the LAL policy is great. My lynch decision making is flexible, but lurking constitutes a substantial markup on the probability of me lynching you. If you lurk, I will be on your case, and if your answers are not adequate I will put you on my to-lynch list.

For lying I am the same. In the one game I've played I lied to hide that I was a cop. If you lie this draws massive attention, but it's important to look for motive, intention, and possible outcomes as well.

- Cakepie
- Kickstart
- Fatchunk
- Aquanim

Have not posted yet (correct me if I'm wrong). Please disregard this list when considering my contribution, I post lists because they are useful and I have them anyway, not to appear useful. Keep your list hate to yourself

@Threesr
You are about to come under massive amounts of pressure if you don't conform/comply with LAL attitudes (not a threat, just a prediction). Your position at the moment is too empathetic for a game where the most important tool is the noose. There will be times when people will lurk because they don't know what to do, and at these times, it's more likely that they don't know what to do because they are a more complex role (scum). If you are looking for certainty then you are almost certainly playing the wrong game XD

To nubs in general: Please make an effort to keep your posts clear and informative, as a lot of us will be playing catchup. Do not be under the impression that (wordcount) = (town behaviour), others and myself will go through your filter and swathes of cruddy posts actually draw attention. Please keep the bickering impersonal, and have a great game :D

My previous game (cop) (win)
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 19 2012 02:02 GMT
#269
EBWOP:
The above post has my previous game posted at the bottom, it seems to blend in with the background so I thought I should draw attention to it so you did not think my intention was the inverse of this
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 19 2012 02:27 GMT
#277
Mocsta I honestly think it's too early to be getting town reads. This is in response to your acknowledgement of Chroma not your null on me. The positives of such a move (that I can think of) are that if you are good at reading people your reads yours will hold more weight than those of a bad reader. The negatives are that if you are a below average reader then you are throwing town off, if you are scum you could be solidifying a position as head town, and read confidence improves with time. I don't see it as a solid move this early. I like the drive you are giving town though.

In my last game the scum only had two players and there were no ways to interfere with the reliability of the cop power. I was 100% certain that any inspection I made was correct, which made for a bit of a lopsided game. The game ended quickly as one of the scum was trying to opt out of the game and was playing fast and loose. I can't really give great insights into cop play as I was actually correct in my initial read on both scum, which is something due more to luck than any skill on my part.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 19 2012 03:30 GMT
#287
Strong post Cakepie, keep it up.

@Everyone How many games have you played?

I want to compile another list, for personal use and otherwise. Even if you have already made this information available could you please do so once more so I don't need to trawl through starter fluff again?

I am concerned about people pulling the nub card, and want to be able to assess the legitimacy of these claims easily.

A massive mistake people were making last game was to assume that people were scum if they were inexperienced, which IMO is pretty silly in a nub game.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 19 2012 03:51 GMT
#290
Cheers Omni and Chroma.

Things seem to have died down, I might head to the gym.

We still have three people with no posts, if you are one of them I suggest you make a big and informative post after reading through everything that has been posted this game. Try and have questions for the players that have been posting, and develop a theory of who is town and scum. You are late to the part y but you can still be valuable and productive town.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 19 2012 07:05 GMT
#297
On December 19 2012 14:06 FatChunk wrote:
Policy on LAL is fine with me. Lying can only hurt town and I see no situations how this could be beneficial.

Regarding lurkers, I think that it shouldn't be set in stone. From my point of view as a newbie, lurking isn't a quality of either mafia or town. It is equally as likely that a mafia/sk will actively post, lead discussions, blend in with town as it is that a townie will, and the same goes for lurkers. Ultimately its a judgement call based on quality of posts, and hopefully the majority will make the right call in that situation.

That being said I think at this point in the game, there is very little information available, but I see value in scoping out a possible lynch on the first day. I think we should be looking for players who promote environments where Mafia thrive.


While I'm a bit of a fence sitter in regard to lurkers, your assertion that mafia are equally likely to lurk as town causes me concern. Mafia, particularly new mafia, derive benefit from lurking if nobody picks them up on it. Town, new or otherwise, damage their chances of success if they do not contribute. While arguments can be made about the certainty of judgement, this game is not about certainties, and unless you can think of a good reason for a town to lurk that statistically counteracts the motivated tendency of a scum player, it is best to strongly pressure lurkers into action with your vote.

Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 19 2012 09:48 GMT
#316
On December 19 2012 18:33 shz wrote:
So if we need another wagon to jump, or not, to jump on:

##Vote: Mocsta

Why?
He/She did start a discussion, but I don't think that was all that useful, other than proving him being active and establish an alibi. Questions like the seafood one waste time and distract from substantial discussion. Also he/she is quite fast on "reading" someone as Town. Additionally he/she asked repeatedly about Mafia strategies.

This is no way a waterproof case, but I think its a start and something we could work with.


I'm not sure they meant to actually throw in your vote, these things normally start with a niggle of suspicion.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 19 2012 11:34 GMT
#322
I just looked though everyone's filters and took some notes. I have a terrible memory and find it gives some context to the names I try so hard to remember. If you find it difficult to associate a person's name with their actions so far, I suggest you look through their filter in order to put a face to the name, and prevent them lurking past you.

I will now try and compile a synopsis before bed.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 19 2012 12:02 GMT
#325
Lurkers:
Threesr: He seems to want to defend lurking, which is really weird. Only contribution to date is disputing LAL.

Cakepie: One very solid post. Would like to see more, though I think you have contributed more than a few other people here.

Orange: Very little substance so far.

Fatchunk: One post.

Kickstart: Two posts.

Sylencia: Seems to want to contribute, but is struggling.

Corazon: One post.

Shz: low contribution, attempts to stimulate discussion have been weak.

So we have a bit of a lurker problem. Some of you I think will have no problem increasing production, but some others seem reluctant. If all you have done is discuss LAL policy up to this point, you need to contribute more. Give us your scummy reads if you have any. I would put money on the day1 lynch being one of the names I just mentioned, please try and make sure it’s not you. At this moment in time my prediction is that either Corazon, Shz, or Threesr will get bandwagoned.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 19 2012 12:19 GMT
#329
For the record, I find Cakepies text dump(s) actually fairly good. For the most part he has stayed on track and made his positions clear. I also agree with most of what he has said. I'd still like more, but he is far from lurking or suspicious in my eyes (relative to many of the other lurkers).
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 19 2012 13:44 GMT
#331
These things are curious I agree.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 19 2012 15:09 GMT
#347
On December 19 2012 23:21 cakepie wrote:
Spaghetticus: solid so far, no complaints. Would like to see you start getting on one of the cases or form one of your own.


I am someone with a natural inclination to lurk. So far I'm on my 6th page of notes, and once I have more than a 30% read on anyone as scum I'll make a case. Until then I just trawl through the data and try to keep others on track. I'm reluctant to play aggressively until I have a foot to stand on.

Personally I would like people to focus their efforts away from Mocsta and Cakepie, and focus almost exclusively on the lurkers. If they do happen to be scum then at this rate they will leave a trail and we will nail them day two.

Anyone looking for brownie points should try and focus on contributing OC, that is, post a case on one of the many lurkers. I'll give you a hint: if you are one of the lurkers, you need to score brownie points by proving yourself more useful than your lurker brethren. Bandwagonning on lurkers that have already been called out does not count!
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 19 2012 15:15 GMT
#349
I'm gonna go to bed. I'll be back with hopes high in 8-10 hours.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 20 2012 01:18 GMT
#464
Well this has shitstormed some. I did a flick through and there has been substantial progress. I'll go about reading some filters and whatnot and make another big post.

If Salensia is voting in 4-5 hours there is actually quite a bit of a rush to do some convincing. His vote, by being unchangeable, is the first 'real' ground to be taken towards a successful first day for town. Everything else seems like posing until last minute.

Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 20 2012 01:23 GMT
#466
@Kickstart
Can you tell us anything about the behaviour of any of the players in the current game? I'd
also like to hear your reads if you have any.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 20 2012 01:47 GMT
#468
@Threesr
Please leave the attitude at the door. By making things personal you are bringing out people’s emotions, when what we need is reason. When OMGUS votes are cast something is going wrong for town, the fact that you are causal to the OMGUS means your activity is hindering town. Please keep things civil and impersonal, and rather than address only comments made at you, please do your best to develop cases that are not immediate to your survival. If you contribute to town, you will be valued and your chances of getting lynched go down, more so than the knee-jerk slinging of mud has got you by far.
Also, with your votes, you are flipping around so much that any case you do make seems like only a distraction until some new and shiny muckup catches your eye. If your vote is just a means of applying pressure (which my town hypothesis of you would indicate), then it’s better for you to stick to a person and pressure the shit out of them, than to switch willy-nilly, as people start to disregard your vote, knowing it will soon change.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 20 2012 01:55 GMT
#470
My internet is about to get shut off for an unspecified amount of time. I'm gonna go through filters and try to have a case for when it comes back on.
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