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On December 02 2012 15:49 yamato77 wrote: I want to play mafia but I'm not sure if people think playing more would help or obsing. From my own experience, I think you need to play a couple games, realize you're terrible at this, then play more or obs some with that knowledge. At that point, you'll learn a lot more cause you'll start understanding what you need to be looking for. I don't think obsing would be that great without some experience first  | ||
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On December 02 2012 15:56 Kickstart wrote: I am just gonna have to rage at everyone I think, gotta keep my meta going. You could try to call people retarded more than once per post :D Or try something like "retarded retard" to really emphasize your point. | ||
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*edit* also, thanks for changing the time <3<3 | ||
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On December 04 2012 08:34 AxleGreaser wrote: always fun, I thought that was the whole point/intention. Maybe someone hates himself and this game and wants to punish himself by playing it. | ||
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Now on to CC's questions... =P 1. I've played 2 games of mafia, NMM XXVIII and XXX, town in both. First was vig, second vt. I obs'd a good amount of chrono until it became overwhelming (think I got 140 pages in then my head exploded) and all of last NMM, and some of paranoid. Played a lot of sc2mafia the past week or two which probably translates to shit for TL mafia skills, but we'll see. 2. No idea cheese, I feel like that scenario would have to be played out however it should be at the time. I can't see myself leaning one way or the other 100% of the time =/ Probably lean towards lurker lynch I guess? minor-moderate is going to be pretty subjective... 3. Green. I'll let you figure out why (spoiler: it's cause I'm a genius). | ||
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On December 04 2012 10:26 Arnarnion wrote: Alright 1) I haven't played a game yet, but I did obs XXXII 2) I am of the opinion that lynches should be saved for top scum reads and that removing inactive players might not be as productive for town as it is for scum, since were just doing their work for them. 3)(Oats)- Don't give me none of that pie or cheesecake, the only true dessert is ice cream. (CC)- Green. Regarding #2, what about scum who lurk? I think that's the point of it. Obviously if we knew all lurkers were town we'd never want to lynch them over a semi-scummy player. | ||
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On December 04 2012 11:06 Kickstart wrote: O yeah that reminds me, I am down for lynching Oats due to his play last game. Anyone else? You're down for lynching strictly based on his play from last game (where he was town) rather than scum hunting and lynching your biggest scum read? What exactly do you expect to get from this? | ||
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On December 04 2012 11:18 Kickstart wrote: @Rad So if I was actually serious about what I had said what would you have done? I'd have awaited your answer and asked you more questions or dropped it depending on if I thought I had a scum read on it? | ||
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On December 04 2012 11:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: What did Kick's "shit idea" tell you in terms of alignment? If Kick truly believed he wanted to lynch Oats for behavior last game, is that scum motivated? @Sylencia Come dip your feet in the water of discussion, it's fine once you get used to it. Yes, lynching someone strictly based on their play in a previous game seems stupid. Town wants to lynch scum, not shoot in the dark and hope. Scum wants to do stupid shit like lynch the easy target. Do you read that idea differently? Would you be ok with the idea of lynching oats due to his play last game? | ||
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On December 04 2012 11:40 AxleGreaser wrote: The bit you quoted does not seem entirely related to the question asked which I find strange. Every one starts off equally scummy. As inconsistencies and evidence mounts for a likely lynch candidate it get more and more scummy. Lurking longer and longer does too. Often if town plays town well enough pressure mounts and enough evidence mounts to lynch someone who has posted lot of inconsistent information. Something i dont know is, if the better players can just push a weaker player into going all mixed up. This is where town comes in, I must trust the players who are better than me to watch one another, They will catch when the other ones are just cracking the weakest link, no matter what alignment they are. Indeed there are so many questions, int hat regard that I don't actually see the best way forward for me. There appear to be some rather a large gaps in skill level. You made good reads from last NMM game, any reason you're announcing yourself as a lesser skilled player? | ||
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Axle, I think what I said to you in last NMM QT is starting to make sense now. Shit's a lot more real in game. However, you DID make good reads last game (without even reading the QT until later, right?) so keep that in mind and just focus on that. This will help town because: 1. If you're town, your reads are good or 2. If you're scum, town gets to read your original thoughts rather than you just playing the newbie card and sheeping. Don't hold back thinking others are just straight up better than you, waiting for them to make a move. | ||
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On December 04 2012 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol if he is scum, why does he want to help town? Of course if he's scum he doesn't want to help town. That wasn't the point. Point is being open about shit is win/win for town. It's his choice how to play, but the newbie card is worthless to town. | ||
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On December 04 2012 12:47 Kickstart wrote: I may be too early to jump the gun on thinking yamato is being scummy, but I haven't liked his incessant policy talk and now he just jumps on someone who he is badgering. Thoughts everyone? I think he goes red with anger easily and if town, confirmation bias will kill his ability to reason. However, his actions are pushing for conversation and that's a good thing (especially at the beginning). If axle feels pressured to talk more, great, and if he doesn't, we can read the situation based on that. I don't really like how you stopped it early on though. Would you prefer yamato ask a question, get ignored, and drop it? | ||
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@kick Not sure what else to say to you about your concerns with me but TBH that's just my play style. I'm a bit embarrassed that I totally missed the jkjk but what happens is I read something really stupid and then feel the need to jump on it immediately. Feel free to glance over my previous games (XXIX and XXX) if you'd like to see this in action. @CC 1. "I have no idea who to lynch, but I can justify it because of this post!" - this hasn't happened, why even speculate that it will happen? What's the point of casting suspicion on me for something I haven't even done? 2. If kick's idea was sincere, I'd have major problems with it (as I've already said). My concern there was your quoting "shit idea" as if it wasn't one. I thought perhaps you read his idea differently than how I did, thus my question. 3. Kick literally FoS's yamato then immediately turns around and says "weeelll maybe I'm being too harsh, what's everyone else's thoughts?" Looks like useless trying to be useful. I wanted to get him to talk more about it instead of letting him push it back out onto everyone else. Thoughts so far: - leaning scum on kick - just my gut initial feeling, I'm going to focus more on looking into it when I have time after work tonight - leaning town on yamato - he's acting just like last game IMO, I feel like he'd have to change things up if he were scum - mind blown trying to understand axle, but I'm happy that he's trying now (his change feels super newbie town, so leaning town) and want to see where he goes with his oats discussion - leaning town on CC, I feel like he was much less confrontational in his scum game and he's asking good questions Other reads are pretty null Going to be fairly lurky today, until tonight when I'm off work and can focus on everything, but wanted to get this post out there in the meantime. I will try to get chances throughout the day to respond when possible. | ||
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I really want to hear more from a couple people in particular. @jidolboy You're for lynching a lurker day 2, but not day 1. Your play so far has been extremely... absent. Any particular reason? Are you planning on picking up the pace on day 2? @Sylencia You seem seem to have a lot of insightful things to say, but are holding back. You do realize that you're not just here to solve everything on your own, you need to help us determine if you're town or not, and if you're town, you could help a lot by talking more. Maybe jump in and give some reads? | ||
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I was about to ask him wtf he was talking about, but then I realized (I think) he means "green" as in "new, inexperienced" and making a connection between only having obs'd something and favorite color being green?? Get it nudge wink?? Or I could have just made all that up in my head... | ||
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On December 05 2012 10:16 jidolboy wrote: Not sure what you mean "lynching a lurker day 2" As far as I know, Day 2 has not started and I have not made any vote to lynch anyone. If you mean why I am lynching a lurker Day 2 but not on Day 1.. Well I never said I would not lynch anyone on Day 1. I said it all would depend My play seemed like a absent because everytime I checked out this thread, it seemed many users were arguing among each other so there were no place for me to enter the conversation. But earlier, I gave my honest opinions if that counts :p. I'll probably post more as time goes by I was referring to your opening post: On December 04 2012 10:33 jidolboy wrote: 1. My first game here! :o 2. I would lynch a lurker but not on D1 because lack of information. Other days, Yes I am in favor more so than minor scumbead. Someone not contributing, or contributing very little has no value to the town IMO. But then... I have no experience in this field I might be wrong :o 3. Black / I don't like pie and cheesecake You actually DID say you would not lynch a lurker D1. Those exact words... Which is it? | ||
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