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On November 21 2012 11:03 Acrofales wrote: It's no more silly than a pressure vote off the bat in a normal setup  How do you know you don't gain anything from bringing vets. It's greymist and I am expecting minigames, unconfirmed masons and other shenanigans. Having a player like kush or adam there is NOT a good idea, even if they are town. You would paint me as useless before I even arrive to the thread? I'd like to hear your reasons, if you have them, or are you just discrediting people at random? | ||
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On November 21 2012 11:56 Acrofales wrote: I've played with you in 2 or 3 games (can't remember if you were in SSM atm) and you were completely inactive in all of them. So... yes, I have a reason: you sign up and then maybe, if we get lucky, get the 1 post a day that is the minimum requirement to play. Prove me wrong and I will be a happy man! Mhmm I recall the games you are speaking about. I signed up to Holy Roman mafia under the impression that trolling was not only acceptable, it was encouraged. Real life got in the way of TL LVI. Unfortunate that that is the impression you have of me, as I think my other games speak far better of my play. You can expect better this game. Right now, I like what Kitaman is saying. He is the person I am leaning towards electing party leader. Emphasis on 'towniness' over everything else as it is all that matters for these missions, not how useful a player is. If not him, then Keirathi. Looks exactly the same as he did in Who's Line Is It Anyway. | ||
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On November 21 2012 16:54 phagga wrote: Ok, looks like I need to clarify myself. Townhunting is stupid. Do you know why? Because scum can fake it to no end, since they know who is not scum. Talking about who is townie makes it much easier for scum to blend in, which then makes it much harder for town to choose the right people for their teams. Yes, there may be multiple factions in this game. Still, if we force scum to scumhunt they are more likely to trip as if they can just give their townreads out. So, no, I disagree that this game revolves around townhunting. We find out who is townie by scumhunting, not by townhunting. The issue with forcing people to scumhunt is we have no real way of checking if they're right other than sending the scummy people on a mission and watching it fail, which is not optimal. Apparently, this game is going to play much like the Resistance games - find townies. Eventually, the scum will be forced to disagree with the selected team if it contains no scum, which is where they'll have to display scummy logic to back up their disagreement and that's where we catch them. | ||
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On November 21 2012 21:02 Djodref wrote: Well, obviously, being the only visible target, I'm counting on a doc or a protective role to keep me alive for the night. I'm not sure if the party is going to be revealed or not the day after but I don't see any way for us to be sure if the party leader is going to respect his word concerning his choice for the party members. I would like to get some answers from the hosts before speculating too much on his though. Party revealed or not, there is no way any of us can know that the person we are picking is going to stick to their word and select the team they indicate. The best you can do is put your vote on someone whom you find most likely to do as they say, and who will be transparent about why they are taking the people they are taking. | ||
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On November 21 2012 21:21 Djodref wrote: @ Adam I absolutely want to have a town player as the party leader. That's why I proposed myself for the job. But I think it could be a valid strategy to not reveal the other party members before the resolution of the event. Town cannnot know for sure who you are going to pick anyway and you don't give extra info to the mafia. What do you think ? I want to have a town player leading this as well. I'd like that person to be transparent and give that information to the rest of us about who is going on the mission with him. It will help me better gauge what the leader is thinking (and if he is indeed town), plus the reactions other players have to the selected party will also assist me in making reads. On November 21 2012 21:21 syllogism wrote: Adam so far you haven't expressed a very few opinions or said anything otherwise helpful. You say Keirathi might be your number two choice for the party leader. Do you have confidence in his ability to choose 3 townies today? You also assert that there is no way of checking if mafia reads are right other than sending them on a mission; is this your honest assessment of how you expect the game to work? I have moderate confidence in his ability to choose three townies today, if he's town. In Who's Line Is It Anyway, he displayed a decent ability to understand logic, listen to reason and vote accordingly. I get the same feel from him here that I got on entering that game, so until he gives me a reason to think otherwise, Ill trust him again. Maybe this would not make him the best team leader, but I would have no issue with him being a part of the team that goes. In regards to my comments on the setup, I had only briefly read over the OP, saw it was predominately leader-select setup and assumed that this would play out similar to Resistance. From that, I overlooked that night actions will provide us with decent flip information, as clarity has already pointed out to me. So to directly answer your question, at the time that was my honest assessment of how the game would play out, but I was wrong, and will adjust accordingly. | ||
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On November 21 2012 21:42 kitaman27 wrote: There are quite a few people who claim to be voting for sandroba on the basis that they claim to be able to easily differentiate his scum play from his town play. The only reason I see this as the case is that he commonly gets lazy and stops caring or posting as mafia. However, that's simply due to personal choice. How many people here other than maybe syllo are confidant they can identify a scum sandro when he remains active? Having played with him in pypi (an election game), I know he is quite capable of fooling most people when there is something he wants. I'm quite puzzled by the fact that marv hasn't run for election. As being one of the most active players recently, I think he would be fairly confident at being able to gain support for himself. As town, I know I want to be the leader because that is the only way to directly increase our chances of success. marv however appears to want to avoid the spotlight and participate in an advising role or at least gauge the support he has. Could you explain this decision? Work time. I'll try to start identifying some town players when I get back if I'm confident enough. Why are you trying to ward people away from voting for sandroba? You are fear mongering that he 'might' be turning over a new-leaf as scum and as such, shouldn't vote for him on that basis. So far, all that you've done to indicate that you think sandroba is scum is to colour his name in red (along with syllo and marv) with no other explanation. Care to go into detail about why you think he is scum? | ||
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I am trying to grasp if he is taking this game seriously when he delivers a list of 'reads' with as lousy reasoning as he did. I've seen him play well as both scum and town, and this doesn't look similar to either. | ||
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On November 23 2012 00:51 phagga wrote: Can you please elaborate a bit more what it is exactly that you like? Why yes, I can. I agree that it looks like sandroba is phoning it in. He seems to be genuinely interested in figuring this game out. I like that he is not entirely confident in his reads at this point, because I'd be less inclined to vote someone claiming to have it 'all figured out' considering what's been put into the thread in the last 24 hours. I like that he's trying to figure out the mafia's strategy, even if I do consider that futile. I consider it more likely from a townie, rather than mafia faking it. | ||
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On November 23 2012 01:02 kitaman27 wrote: Well it wouldn't be a new leaf. I'm saying its something I've seen before playing mafia with him. The reason that I'm bringing it up is that I don't buy into so many people voting for him because he is simply easy to read. I'm not willing to call him scum yet, but I'm willing to say he isn't in my top 10 of people to choose from. You say that you are not willing to call them scum yet, then what is the deal with this post: link I am perplexed by this post. You go on to say further that it was 'hardly a joke campaign', so... what was the point of it? | ||
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On November 23 2012 06:55 Z-BosoN wrote: Another player that's come up as scum to me is Adam4167. He has an extremely low post count. This alone doesn't kill anyone of course, but his posts seem to me like just someone trying to fake a contribution. His reasoning for voting sandroba is just... contrived: Like, how does he like that he's not entirely confident in how sandroba is posting? The guy gives more arguments to who he wants to not vote rather to the guy he's voting. It feels like he is just voting for syllo due to some other agenda rather than his own. He says he's not gonna vote for someone claiming to have it "all figured out" as a pretext of not voting for sand, which firstly doesn't make sense to me, and secondly, if anyone has given me an impression to have it all figured out, it's syllo. Syllo seems extremely confident in his shallow "scum might attempt to sabotage my party" argument and to me it feels a bit unnatural. (syllo's post I'm referring might have been made later than Adam's, I'm lazy to check this out.) But the main point is: Why doesn't Adam comment on the person he's voting, rather on the person he's NOT voting, especially when asked by phagga on his vote on sylla? This makes 0 sense to me from a town perspective. His next post on kita seems to me like the definition of scum trying to blend in: New scum, that is. I mean, isn't it kind of obvious the point of the campaign was to.. make his case on why he's a better candidate? He's pretty much echoing suspicion from hapa, only to go ahead and disappear. Pretty much fits the bill of a lurking scum. Your case is just bad. I am not new, I have been part of this community for over a year - I took a couple months off to sort out some personal issues. I always have a lower post count then most, due to time zone conflicts and a seething hatred of people posting complete garbage in the thread, forcing me to read 15-30 page filters later in the game. The first quote of mine you've highlighted is not why i'm voting for sandroba, as you've titled it, its why im voting for syllogism. You don't seem to fully understand what it is i'm saying, as you cant seem to figure out if im voting for sandroba or syllo. I AM happy that syllo seems to be having an issue discerning solid reads because I am having that issue also, it shows that he has a similar mindset to mine and as a result, probably the same alignment. 'Why doesnt Adam comment on the person hes voting for, rather than the person hes not voting for'. I havent mentioned sandroba bar this one comment 'I agree that it looks like sandroba is phoning it in', a comment syllo made and I agree with, hence partly why he is getting my vote. In regards to my post to kita, I think it stands fine as it is. I am trying to figure out what the hell he is doing, because he claims to want to be taken seriously, but then posts a page of 'joke' reads and then campaigns as if they're perfectly acceptable. I am trying to ascertain if he is just goofing around, and I should ignore him, or if hes intentionally posting more garbage into this thread, something I think we can do without. Go back, reread the entire exchange, and try to word your case so that it actually makes sense so I can try to understand exactly what you are saying. | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:21 kitaman27 wrote: I had one joke post and one joke read on risk. That's like 5% of my posts, yet you've brought it up three different times. Is this really your biggest concern. I bring it up because it was used as evidence against me in a case. For what its worth, I still have no idea what your goal is. | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:28 Z-BosoN wrote: When I made my case I thought you were new here, and your play seemed to me exactly how someone new would have played. I found the part I emphasized pretty clear though. Someone asked why you were voting for syllogism. Then you make an explanation based on other people, whilst saying nothing about syllogism. At least this was what I understood. I now see that I just misinterpreted your post. Since I don't know what "phoning it in" means, I assumed that was something good, because later you said "he" (i.e sandroba) seems to be geuinely interested in figuring things out. Anyways, now that you have manifested yourself, do you agree with the sandroba wagon? I said earlier that I feel people would correctly identify him as scum, but when I said that I meant people who have actually played with him, not newer players who have never seen him play. For all intents and purposes, everyone on that wagon should be considered town, at least for now. I don't get why syllo's success makes sand scum. So, @Syllogism, do you think sandroba's play is him being scum? He started out pretty good imo, but his absence here is not cool at all. Phone it in Each one of those dot points was aimed at syllo, not sandroba, except the first one, because I was agreeing with syllogisms' view of sandroba - so the 'he' was syllogism. Anyway, moving on. I have no issue lynching Sandroba. I've played with sandroba 3-4 times now, moreso when hes scum then when hes town. Looks like his usual 'don't-give-a-shit' scum game. ##vote sandroba | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:45 Clarity_nl wrote: I wonder what happened (or perhaps, didn't happen) because we succeeded the mission. At the very least this makes syllo and dieno relatively close to confirmed town, right? Why only those two? I see no reason not to trust all four of the people on that mission. | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:48 Clarity_nl wrote: syllo was party leader, dieno claimed frog. It's possible one of the other two is mafia but couldnt sway the mission to failure, especially with frog (pretty sure dieno said he had a bonus in 600AD) Having to get two mafia elected onto a team of four to cause a failure hardly seems fair from a balance perspective considering the probable demographic that's being worked with (ie 3x as many town on average). | ||
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On November 23 2012 12:09 Djodref wrote: @Clarity I don't think that we can say that syllo is a confirmed town yet. Let's imagine that scum syllo knows that he has a low negative modifier factor for the events. What is preventing him from looking town enough to get elected and then pick up 3 towns in his party. It should be easy enough for scum syllo not to bring any 3P along  In this way, he can get a lot of town credit ^^ One way or another, syllogism just picked a winning team. I don't see a conspiracy here, as long as he keeps doing what hes doing, he'll keep getting my vote to keep picking his team. | ||
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On November 23 2012 12:26 Djodref wrote: @Toad That's a good point. But would you say that syllo is now confirmed town ? My point was made to show Clarity that we shouldn't consider syllo as totally confirmed yet. Of course, he is more likely to be town than anything else but not 100% confirmed imho. I didn't totally think at all the implications of my point. No one is confirmed town until they're dead. There is just balance of probability. Right now I choose to believe that syllo and his team are probably town. | ||
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On November 23 2012 22:16 marvellosity wrote: I'd really like to hear more from kita and syllo in particular on sandroba. sandroba is on the borderline for me, I've seen him less interested than this by far as scum and way more interested as town. Apart from that, Bio's done nothing to make me think him town. goodkarma's posts seem really constructed and to me he feels really detached, despite his long posts. But he does have quite a bit of content. Anyone have any thoughts on him? Djo, I'll have to re-read your case to see if there's any merit in it, I've been feeling TheChronicler as town for most of the game. I don't really recall too many of goodkarma's posts thus far.. Ill take a look at his filter over my midnight snack. | ||
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