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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 29 2012 09:52 GMT
#14
/in
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 30 2012 12:33 GMT
#42
IDK, TL was down all morning so it can't be that fake. I mean, the new york subway and car tunnels flooded, six million people without power, several blocks of houses on fire - sounds pretty serious to me.

I mean, the wind levels might not be the highest ever, and it's sure as hell no Katrina, but a thirteen-foot storm surge hitting the biggest city in the country is no joke.

Plus, TL was down! how can you call that not serious!
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 31 2012 05:11 GMT
#136
Unusual for bke that he's never been scum. Very frequently have I thought he was, lol. Wondering about Adam's "self imposed" time out, doesn't seem like a townie thing to do. X that last point out partially, actually - I guess he could just be really into the spirit of things. Yet I wonder - could purposely failing the posting restriction be a successful scum tactic, to excuse non-contribution. Zegods, phone posting will be hard under this restriction.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 31 2012 07:54 GMT
#139
Frankly, the more that I think about it, I feel like messing up the theme on purpose is a valid scum strategy. Greatly increased, my suspicions will be, on people who fuck up more than once. Here's looking at you, BKE >.> >.> >.>


I kind of sound like Yoda.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 31 2012 11:59 GMT
#140
Jumping Jupiter's Beard, it seems like no one is gonna post any time soon!
Krazy Amerikans with your time zones, I must have a big offset from everyone
Lame, I declare this - in order for this gameshow to get off the ground we have to post more!
Maybe the pressure is making the performers choke?
Never Fear, sayeth I, for all the audience have a part to play as well!
Our fellow townsmen must not let themselves bitch out!
Perhaps you thought this post was just to try to get other people to post more, but you were wrong!
Querulously I say: Blazinghand, what do you think of Adam's posting after your vote?
Really, right now I think BKE is scummier, but there's also a bunch of people who haven't posted at all yet.
Sometime we may have to start yelling at didgeridoo, mementoss, chezinu, or gonzaw.
That said, I hope they'll post on their own so I'm going to keep focusing on other people.
Under that initiative, I have a question for BKE - who do you think is the scummiest?
Verily thou hast not posted any suspicions despite being in the thread.
Who else should we be focusing at...
X-fire99, you posted that you thought BH was "fast on the trigger", do you think that is a reason to think he's scum, and do you think he's scum?
Zyzzyva is an awesome word!
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 31 2012 13:40 GMT
#144
Do you mean you want all the VTs to claim VT?
Err, it kind of seems like all the scums would just claim VT as well, right?
Following that, wouldn't we just have the performers left as the people who didn't claim?
Generally, plans that require townies to either lie or blueclaim right away on day 1 seem like a bad idea...
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 31 2012 15:58 GMT
#159
very much hoping that chezinu's mass claim plan is actually just a really convoluted way for him to claim VT and then kenpachi rule someone
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 31 2012 16:45 GMT
#166
On November 01 2012 01:37 Crossfire99 wrote:
Just to clarify, Hopeless, I did claim; but did I do that to take the heat off of blues, or am I actually a blue trying to claim VT to sneak under the radar (really over the radar with the way I've been posting)? Keep on guessing because I might not have even read my role PM myself. Lol. Maybe I should do that. Novel idea I had, to play without checking my role PM. Oh the possibilities!


Ugh. Very much do I hate this concept, since it inherently involves playing against your win con. Wonce Drazerk did this in a game I was in and I did nothing that game but rage at him also have fun starting your next post with X person after me bwahaha.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 01 2012 12:16 GMT
#240
Frankly, I hope that the next minigame has a stricter punishment or reward. Got to admit this thing where people are just ignoring the rules is disgraceful.

Hmmmmm, it's getting later in the day. It seems like there's some cases to consider.

Just, I'm still looking at BKE, and I don't like what I see. Kay? Like his whole filter is mostly taken up with talking about how much he hates people who vote in the thread and not in the voting thread. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I see this as a lot of smokescreen - it's just way too unimportant to be taking up the large percentage of his filter that it is. Next there's his early-game jump-on vote on Crossfire. On the one hand, we have the meta analysis that Adam did, indicating that this is different from how he's entered games as a townie in the past - this only goes so far, but it is a point worth keeping in mind.

Plus, he kept the vote on Crossfire for quite some time, all the while talking about how important votes in the voting thread are and how they should match up with stances in the main thread - this is the important part of his advice about "not going back on your word" - this seems inconsistent to me, and one thing I've learned in Mafia is that when players ascribe a lot of importance to some piece of advice on how to play the game but then don't follow that advice themselves, it indicates that advice exists to cover up for lack of contribution in other areas.

Question: what contribution has he made other than that stuff about votes and such? Really, nothing except his little "case" on hopeless1der. Sure, hopeless hasn't been a paragon of town-leading shining knighthood, but he's definitely been more involved in the thread than BKE. True, hopeless's original reasoning for voting BKE wasn't great, but he follows up on it in a way that BKE didn't do with his vote on crossfire.

Ultimately, I feel the need to do the following:

##vote: BroodKingEXE
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 01 2012 12:23 GMT
#242
Xtremely disappointed in you mementoss, play the game.

Yeah also - what do you think about BKEXE (i think he is scum, please to comment)
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 01 2012 15:32 GMT
#244
Blazinghand, I am not saying you are violating the "mafia rules" or being "immoral" as the mafia community would see it. Churlish is a better adjective to describe your behavior than "cheating" would be. Dastardly, you're not being. Essentially, I think that "we joined this game to have fun with minigames in a mafia context, and just ignoring them isn't in the spirit of the game." For sure, you're well within your rights and the game rules to do what you've been doing, but I think the game would be more fun all around if we were all trying to follow the minigame rules and I hope the incentives to do so are stronger next time around.

Going on to Adam. His posts this game "sound weirder" or "sound less genuine" to me than anyone else's except perhaps crossfire, who's playing the mad poet or something like that. It's hard to say whether that's because he's having a hard time posting naturally within the context of the minigame, or if it's because he is uncomfortable being scum or because he's not "being genuine" (I think that's how Sandroba described his scumhunting in some recent game I was following, reading people's posts and looking for people not being genuine etc).


Just read through his filter a couple of times, it's not very long.

K, here's one thing - he starts off with his "meta argument" on BKE, but then drops the read for no reason when he moves on to mementoss. Later, he says "BKE isn't scum to him," I would very much like to know what in BKE's filter gave him that impression because (as I outlined in my previous post) BKE's filter looks pretty terrible to me, and the worst parts are the parts that came after Adam's "meta read".

Mementoss case, I find pretty unpersuasive, I think that comparing pre-game and in-game enthusiasm levels is a valid tactic. "Not posting much of value" or "not having strong opinions" can be a decent case to make if it's clear and pronounced but it's hardly unique to Mementoss at the moment, I would contend that BKE, Djagulingu, maybe hopeless also fall into that category.

Oh, something else - he promises very early on to be like super active, but he is far less active than many other people.

Putting the shoe on the other foot, however, his claims about the meta component to your case are pretty compelling. Qualifying that - I know your case is not mainly based on meta anymore. Really, however, unless you disagree with him that his more recent games are different from your claim about his meta, it should be recognized that that element of the case on him is weak.

Something else you argue - he did originally take a position against BKE and later backtrack on it. Though I've said above that I don't understand why he backtracked, and though I really want to hear his reasoning, and though I think it's scummy to backtrack from one position and jump on another one without explaining yourself, I do think that at least taking a position is better than not taking a position, even if there is scummy backtracking.

Ultimately, here's where I stand. Voting for BKE because I think he's scummier - his positions are less both in number and firmness, and there's also the factor of him doing what I believe is "smokescreening" by talking so much about "how important it is for people to vote in both threads" and then about "how people didn't understand what he meant when he was talking about how important it is for people to vote in both threads", neither of which matter very much. With that said, however, I think a lot of what you say about Adam makes sense, and I wouldn't strenuously object to voting him if that's necessary to get a majority.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 01 2012 15:36 GMT
#245
Xtra point on that post - BH what do you think about BKE?

You said you expected him to add to his case but he really didn't add anything of substance, while keeping his vote on and professing that he believed in it.

Zero with me - do you think he's scum, would you be willing to vote him?

Also I just reread the OP, we don't need to get an absolute majority to lynch, but there are still reasons why we shouldn't just spread our votes around willy-nilly, not least of which is that it gives a coordinated scum team more control over the lynch.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 01 2012 19:43 GMT
#258
+ Show Spoiler [may have had forgotten to click post b…] +

now I have to post a whole bunch of sentences. Or else I could change my post. Post-changing is lame however. Querelously, therefore, I sit down to type this spoiler. Really, there's nothing interesting in here. Sitting in this chair. Typing things that aren't important. Ummm, what to say next... Very well, I will continue. Waiting to get to the start of the alphabet, almost there... Xylophony! Yeah, that's the art of playing the xylophone! Zounds, I'm at the end of the alphabet, only two more sentences to go! Almost there! BLAMMO!


CHEZINU ARE YOU AROUND?!!?!?
During the course of the games of yours I've played and observed, I don't think I've seen a time where asking you rational questions has actually helped, but in case I'm wrong or in case there's a first time for everything, let's give you a range of options of things you can talk rationally about.
Enumerated herein are things that I would really like you to talk more about so I can discern your alignment:

First, you've pretty much dropped your role claim idea without ever explaining why it was a good idea beyond listing all the players. Grant for the sake of argument that I'm stupid, explain to me why that's a good idea. Huh, when I look at your filter this is pretty much the only thing I see you talking about that's neither fluff nor the minigame.

2: I see you have voted for Mementoss; I kind of despair of getting you to explain yourself, since you were already asked directly once and responded only "I don't know," but for the sake of completeness I will herein ask you once again to actually explain that ninja vote please.

Jeepers, you probably won't respond to either of those questions so here are some serious questions phrased in a way that might be more likely to garner a response from you:

Kay, take a look at BKE. Let me know the ideal job for him as a menial domestic employee in Chezinu's House.

Maybe talk a little bit about your spirit animal. Now suppose it has to fight the spirit animal of anyone in this game, whose spirit animal would your spirit animal fight and why?

One last question - if you had to choose a game from Whose Line is it Anyway for everyone to play, what would it be and how would it help the House of Chezinu achieve victory in its endeavors?

Please, if you refuse to answer any of these questions, just say more things - it seems like you're around but your filter is tiny and purposely vague and impossible to get a good impression of whether you're town or not.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 01 2012 21:49 GMT
#267
On November 02 2012 06:25 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 06:05 Mementoss wrote:

On November 02 2012 04:22 BroodKingEXE wrote:
On November 02 2012 01:52 Mementoss wrote:
Keirathi


Okay so some preface, I think Keirathi has been slipping through this game without being mentioned too much. So I decided to look at his filter and noticed some scummy things. Lets go through it.

Part I: Spreading Accusations

All game, Keirethi has been spreading accusations very very subtly while never going deeper into them, he has yet to give a strong opinion that he thinks would be good for a lynch. Overall, hes looking active while not doing anything to push a scum lynch. His play seems to represent someone that doesn't care who gets lynched at all. Lets look at a couple examples of this:

On November 01 2012 03:38 Keirathi wrote:
'Kay, so how is my question to Chezinu unimportant? Looks to me like he wanted all of our blues to claim. Maybe its just me, having never played with Chezinu, but that was a pretty anti-town plan.

Now, I did comment on the BKE thing. On its own, its not particularly scummy. Particularly, though, the fact that he hasn't done any kind of early pressure vote in any of his last 7 town games is a bit weird. Still, even then I only think its minorly scummy and would never be enough to make me vote him.


His questions at chezinu seem to hint that he thinks what he is doing is scummy and pushing scum agenda, yet he just calls him ut on an anti town plan and never follows up.

He says on its own its not scummy, than hints that his meta doesn't match so its a bit "weird". Never commits completely to his opinion on thinking hes scummy, but ends with scummy but not enough to vote him. Gives him an out if he flips red, that he didn't defend him he just couldnt make up his mind.

On November 01 2012 14:00 Keirathi wrote:
On October 31 2012 23:13 Mementoss wrote:
Nooooo chezinu ninjad me good thing I checked, I cant do the alphabet very well I have to say it completely out all the time lol. Oh, I agree with that fact that purposely fucking up is scummy because it gives you a free pass not to post, however, BKE seemed to be not understanding the rules at first, and the second time the posts were 3 min apart so its possible for ninja post. Poop, just to clarify this doesn't excuse his ridiuclous joke vote/call out on a "scum slip", it seemed like a desperate attempt to put fault on someone, but he fucked up with the rules. Qonsequently BKE, so far is the only player that stands out to me as somewhat scummy.

Reading chezinus last post, I still don't agree with the mass claim idea. Sit will still end up with everyone claiming audience memebers. Tangerine, chezinu, why do you feeld it was nessecary to give the player list :S ?


On November 01 2012 06:08 Mementoss wrote:
On October 31 2012 11:38 Blazinghand wrote:
Love to. My reason is that at this point in the thread he is the scummiest. "No way," you say, "he hasn't posted yet!" Often, that is reason enough. Proof of his scumminess is that he is a general liability.

Quack is the sound ducks make. Really though I'm gonna change my vote to Adam there's no way that post is town. Seriously if he was reforming posts he'd reform his post into that post instead of making a complaining post. Trying to get cred when he deserves none. Untie!


Going to gym, fuck the rules. Only got 5 minutes but would like to comment on a few things.

The above is your case against Adam right? I don't consider it the strongest case, as you above seem pretty confident in it, but the fact that he hasn't been back to contribute is pretty un easing. leaning scummy on him right now.

I half agree to what you say about crossfire too blazinghand. His posts were unreadable thats for sure. I had to re-read several paragraphs 3 times before I even understood what the point was, and then it didn't even deliverable the point well -_-. This is more likely xfire posting as town because he was being ridiculous, but I also think there is a possibility he started posting these long unreadable fluffy statements, so that maybe someone else would follow his ridiculous posting style and muck up the town completely. Thats scum intereference. Also, he actually looks to the non-reader, that he is contributing more than most, when really, hes more interested in literary skills and looking town, than actually finding scum.

ATM I would be happy to vote either Xfire or BKE, (which I stated earlier why I thought his fake joke stuff seemed scummy, while his purposely?? getting restrictions wasn't liekly scummy), could go for Adam too, but I would rather wait for him to come into the thread again before doing that.

Gunna lay down a vote Xfire atm. Need to re-read the thread and consider all the options, I have been either asleep or at work for this whole thread thus far.

##Vote Crossfire

Xtremely weird change of opinion, there. You go from saying its scummy to blatantly not follow the alphabet rules, to doing it yourself without any indication why you suddenly don't care anymore. Zero sense does that make.


Again says its weird, not scummy. Just says it makes zero sense. Keirathi has zero desire to get a lynch going today, and he is afraid to commit. Hes leaving himself many avenues open for later when he decides to vote.

On November 02 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:
On November 01 2012 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:
gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully.

On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote:
The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town.

breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation.


I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives?

Forgive me for not commenting on this sooner sooner, but I just now had the available time to do the research. Go back and look at Aperture 2. He literally made a case/accusation against EVERY SINGLE PLAYER day 1. Its just such a huge disconnect from "everyone is scummy, lets question/accuse them!" to "well, this one guy is kinda scummy because he hasn't posted as much as I expect him to". Just my opinion, but this doesn't really fit the town gonzaw that I remember either.


Again spreading some suspicion on gonzaw. Not saying hes scummy per sae but saying his meta doesn't fit aperature 2. And ALSO he doesn't mention that gonzaw was traitor in aperture 2, and he won with scum, so this meta doesn't even make sense. He doesn't follow up with in game evidence or even ask gonzaw to clarify anything. This brings me to my next point.

Part II - Doesn't fit the meta

Every game I have played with Keirathi he has been very active and has been a major part in pushing discussion. Even if hes not scumhunting hes pushing discussion in strategic ways. This game has been the very opposite. He is a commentator, active, without pushing discussion to actually find scum. That is all I have to say on this, because meta should just be a supportable part not the main part of a case.

Part III - Active Lurker

Keirathi has been actually quite active in this game at many times, however he has only put down a few lines every time he has been here, and choses not to discuss the current parts of the thread. He timeline seems to sprinkle at many times in the thread, indicating he is chosing not to contribute in his normal town manner, or he doesn't overly care about finding scum. Just to separate himself from the major lurkers in this game.

He also has been excessively lazy this game and making excuses.

On October 31 2012 14:02 Keirathi wrote:
On October 31 2012 13:55 Adam4167 wrote:
Perhaps click on his profile and check for yourself?

Quite simple really.

Red he has never been.


Sure, I could have checked myself, but you already did the research Totally easier to just ask you to share.


On October 31 2012 13:33 Keirathi wrote:
On October 31 2012 12:44 Crossfire99 wrote:
Gosh, what have we here?
On October 31 2012 12:22 Keirathi wrote:
'Sup, everyone. Time to get rid of those pesky musicians.

How have you not posted on what has happened so far? I seem to remember the talkative little townie in Aperature that wasn't afraid to comment on anything.

Keirathi was enjoying some Diablo 3 with a buddy. Looking back over the posts since I chimed it, it doesn't look like theres really a whole lot to comment on. Maybe its just me, but while this posting restriction is very entertaining, its quite hard to say exactly what you mean.


He is apathetic. He knows better than this, there is never gunna be anyting to comment on unless you push the discussion, which keirathi has not beeen trying to do like his normal town self. Making an excuse to blame the mechanics for not posting.

##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi


[-]

Other stuff:

Alright so Im still not sure on crossfire, but I think there are more likely places to catch scum than him so im taking my vote off him. I can see what hes doing from both alignments, so I shouldn't make a solid choice on only that. His reaction didn't really lead me any further with more of an opinion on him.

Probably 2nd scummiest player imo is BKE, I agree with SnB on his thoughts on him.

Dingaling, is also an option but it would be strictly policy lynch at this point. I think he is more likely unactive than lurking.

When is deadline? 10 hours? We need to somewhat start consolidating or discussing your straight up two best scum reads asaply.

Bottom part is so scummy, because you basically say your vote for Keir isn't pushed by your case but by the lack of Xfire's scummness. Cause of this, it shows me that you have no confidence in this case about Keir, because you had to justify a vote change. Dingaling shouldn't even be included in this post as you already have two scum reads, why would you support a policy lynch when you have two scum?

Eyeing one of Hopeless posts, I noticed I hadn't unvoted and voted is that what you guys are saying Im am being hypocritical on?

BHow does it show that at all. CI was just verifying/ re-evaluating my read on crossfire because people were still mentioning it.

Knuckling down here, this is not clarifying anything about your read. Look at what you say "I think there are more likely places to catch scum that him", you initially had a scum read on him, so your read has changed from scum to less likely scum. Moseying down after the bolded part, you say that he is doing neutral posting. No where do you clarify your stance, you just confuse the hell out of us. On my bolded part, it doesn't make sense to say you are unvoting Xfire explicitly because it implies that you think his neutrality is a bigger tell than your own Keir case.


Perhaps I'm missing something, but what the fuck are you talking about? (Qiviut is the long soft inner hair of the musk ox and I hate the letter Q). Really, are you arguing that his thinking that "keirathi is scummier than crossfire" is the same as his thinking "crossfire's neutrality is a bigger tell than his own Keirathi case?" Seriously, this makes no sense to me. To tell the truth, you continue to talk a whole lot about things that don't matter in the least but let you seem like you're participating - seriously guys look at how much of day 1 he spent talking about nothing but this whole "who votes in which thread when" thing and tell me why it matters in any way whatsoever - and your "scum read" here makes little to no sense on me. Unable to continue with your attacks on Hopeless because of BH's pressure, have you turned to OMGUSing? Very well, why not attack me then? Wow, your scumhunting is terrible or fake and people should be voting you.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 01 2012 23:25 GMT
#285
BKE should be the lynch for tonight, I've explained why I believe this in a bunch of previous posts.
Currently it is past midnight in Europe and I am very tired so I will be going to sleep.
Do this, everyone, before the night is through: read BKE's filter, read my posts about him, and in the rare case where you still think he's town then vote for someone else.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 02 2012 10:49 GMT
#347
Alright everyone lets doooo thiiiiiis

everyone got 1000 points last night

give them to me
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 02 2012 10:50 GMT
#348
Or I guess we all got them at the end of the day, whatever.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 02 2012 13:11 GMT
#349
Yeah so no one has posted yet. Kind of annoying.

So here's why you should give me your points:
(1) I am town.
(2) I can do bad things to scum with your points.
(3) points are way more valuable when concentrated than they are when spread out.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 02 2012 13:12 GMT
#350
another topic for discussion tonight: what the fuck do we do with Chezinu? He totally ignored both the serious and silly questions in my post to him, I'm really not sure what to do to get him more involved in the game so we can actually maybe try to get a read on him
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 02 2012 19:09 GMT
#358
On November 03 2012 01:53 Blazinghand wrote:
if i give you my points can you use them to kill Adam


I'm not going to comment on exactly what I will do with the points because I want to make it as hard as possible for scum to respond. But Adam will be on the list of targets for sure. (WIFOM that scum team)

People, I don't know if you realize but I'm dead serious here. Like I said above, here are the simple facts:

(1) I am town
(2) I can use points to do bad things to scum
(3) the points are a lot more powerful if we concentrate them than they are if they're spread apart.


It's getting kind of close to deadline. For this to work well I need as many points as possible so send me your friggen points.
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