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I'm willing to give my trust to SnB atm because that seems like it would be something hard to fake. I don't quite get what the difference between doing 500 or more points is though. | ||
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On November 03 2012 10:00 Blazinghand wrote: the 6th donut tells the story you want to hear I'm gonna be honest, that confused the fuck out of me. Is it some reference I'm missing? | ||
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On November 04 2012 07:23 Adam4167 wrote: You honestly believe the events in the twilight of day 1 would have occurred the way they did if both yourself and BKE were town? Not a chance. Additionally if you do somehow flip town that'll put a bunch of suspicion on Adam. You haven't really given me any reason to think that you'll flip town though. I'd like to turn my attention to Chezinu though. Care to do something this game other than useless one liners? As an aside, I suck at this, if you know what I mean. (For clarity "this" means the innuendo game.) | ||
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Right now I think Mementoss is easily the best lynch candidate and although I need to check Chezinu's earlier games, he's my number 2 suspicion. He's posted some random fluff on game setup (that barely makes sense period and no sense from a town perspective) when he asked for VTs to claim. It feels too dumb for scum or town to do but it got me looking at his filter and he really hasn't done anything. | ||
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As for the vote on Mementoss my reason for voting him consists of his sheeping SnBs case on BKExe and that a day into D2 he still has yet to mention his Keirathi case in any meaningful way. That was his main contribution yet when he was questioned by someone who felt it was weak he pretty much admitted it and just dropped the subject. I don't buy that. If he wasn't sold on Keirathi why did he post such a long post about it and if he was sold why did he drop it so quick. Feels to me like he's just trying to be active without being helpful there. | ||
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On November 04 2012 10:08 Keirathi wrote: I really don't understand what you're saying here. Am I the only one? Yeah that was an abortion of English, sorry. Anyway, what I mean is that the only even remote defense against himself has been attacking Adam. I was trying to point out that shouldn't save him if he flips town. Adam's attacks on him will then make Adam more suspicious and line up with Mementoss' own accusation. | ||
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On November 05 2012 01:46 strongandbig wrote: So it appears that Mementoss has decided to claim scum, and it looks like we're falling into the trap of letting a pretty-much-decided lynch keep us away from actually doing any scumhunting. That's not a good thing for town - just look at Liquid City, where town got handed two scum lynches by good blue play, but let its momentum die out and still lost the game. So let's try and get this thread moving a bit. - Stutters: I get that plowing through day1 is hard because of the rhyme game, but you've had some time so I would really like something from you other than the mementoss-Adam connection stuff and complaining about Chezinu. Believe me, we all feel the same way about Chezinu, but since he won't actually provide his reasoning for stuff like his claim plan or his D1 ninja vote on Mementoss I don't really know what to do about him. Chezinu actually plays like this all the time, regardless of alignment. So do you have any other potential scum reads? Or do you want to build up a case on Adam based on his posting or his actions, rather than the connection theory with Mementoss? I'm becoming more suspicious of Crossfire for a few reasons you didn't mention as well as some of your own. I agree with your analysis of his fluff and the strangeness of the meta comment but I don't think the thing about the role PM is really indicative at all. In the newbie games I've played a few people have done that or at least said they were going to do that resulted in it being a null tell. I can't see anything that we could use to figure out his role. One more speculative addition to the meta comment though is that he has no scum games to begin with.so it would make sense to me that he would try to preemptively point out the deviation from his town meta since he can't fall back on "this isn't my scum meta either." I don't really consider that strong at all. Now my additional points (since you covered the major concrete stuff) are mostly speculation based off of the assumption that there is no way in hell Mementoss will flip town with his d2 play. On the very small offchance he doesn't my focus would immediately shift to Adam. This + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2012 12:08 Crossfire99 wrote: Haha, don't make me laugh, mementoss; I read your post and now I guess I need to explain it to you. I agree I could have explained myself better; I got carried away in the beginning of this game and will try to do better going forward. Judging right here that even with all that crap I wrote which was confusing and weird, you think that is is more likely that I am town. Let me explain what "more likely" means. "More likely" means that given two options, one has a better chance of being true when compared to the other. Now you already stated that it is more likely that I am town, but now you need to say what the other option is, (the option that has a worse chance of being true). Oh, here you explain what that option with the worse chance of being true is; the option in which I am scum. Proved I just did why your vote doesn't line up with your thought. Questioning my alignment is good. Revealing that you think it is more probable that I am town than scum and then voting for me is bad reasoning for a vote. So I hope I explained that well enough to your likening, mementoss. Then when you go to defend yourself, you say you're voting me because you could see me doing what i did as scum but its not a strong read. Uh huh, yeah you kinda already said that and I kinda already said why it's crazy using your words of "more likely xfire posting as town." Voting for me while thinking I'm more likely town than scum is scummy. the post after Cross calls him out initially). In addition to a case being based off of a debatable interpretation the whole thing feels somewhat orchestrated to me. He throws some big posts around that accuse Mementoss without really challenging him. It makes him still appear confrontational but in those two giant posts he doesn't accuse him of being scum outside of an offhanded comment when he first calls him out. Finally, he doesn't even vote him until a day later when the deadline is approaching and he hasn't given any analysis on someone else to avoid voting Mementoss. If that line was so scummy why wouldn't he have voted him at the time and tried to get an answer instead of waiting? The only thing that really gives me pause to this idea is both that his vote actually put Mementoss ahead 4-3 and this feels somewhat elaborate and unnecessary at the time. The delayed vote and the weakness of why he is voting him while claiming that BKExe's "brain farts" make him a null tell feels off. Moving past this post however his only comments since then have all revolved around either his "case" or how he thinks Adam is right calling BS on the Keirathi case. Feels to me like he is trying to ride that "case" as long as he can for town cred without actually contributing. All of these things together just feels too off to me for him to be town. Townies obviously make mistakes but I'm struggling to find town motivation for all of these topics. | ||
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On November 05 2012 07:56 Crossfire99 wrote: So on one hand I want to assume that you were ninja'd by me because some of your stuff in there is just plain wrong. I have been scum before. Heck, I was third party in my last game. How deep did you research my meta? Because on the other hand it appears you didn't and just made everything up. Yeah, so you think that my interaction with Mementoss in my case against him was weird? He brushed off my earlier comment so I laid down explicitly why he was wrong. Also, if you are saying I'm scum, why would I essentially out my one scum buddy, gonzaw, with my vote on my other scum buddy, Mementoss? That vote forced gonzaw to not vote for mementoss before someone hammered brood. That basically outed gonzaw and got him killed last night. If I was scum, I could have voted brood, thus saving gonzaw from acting crazy at the deadline and keeping him alive last night. My bad I went through them but I completely missed XVII. Ignore that part but I still stand by the rest of my points. Of course I don't think you intentionally did that to Gonzaw. Gonzaw also threw himself under the bus with his last post before the flip. He could have voted BKE like his post seemed to imply but instead he still voted Mementoss. If you had any body of work except your one "case" I wouldn't think nearly as much of this but I really don't like that you've been riding essentially a sentence all day 2. | ||
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Night one I gave 500 to SnB (Crumb here + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2012 09:56 Stutters695 wrote: Well I had a more lengthy post typed up but when TL went down I lost it. General gist of it was I don't quite see how it makes more sense to suggest viging Adam over the guy who waited until his vote was meaningless before casting it and not really putting up a fight to try and get his target chosen. I haven't checked his previous games yet so that might be in line with his meta but through my first read of the thread that really stood out the most. I'm willing to give my trust to SnB atm because that seems like it would be something hard to fake. I don't quite get what the difference between doing 500 or more points is though. Worlds worst thing to say on a first date? | ||
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On November 06 2012 13:05 Hopeless1der wrote: Worst Bus Driver: Ms Frizzle Keirathi's points are all accounted for according to his claims. Stutters seems like he still has 500 remaining if I can do math correctly. Night 1 I spent 500 on Vet and sent 250 to BH so he could Vig (gonzaw) Night 2 I vig'd Adam. -1250 All my points are accounted for. BH & SnB can you figure out who gave what points and see if anyone has any points left right now/if anyone is lying? BH, SnB and I will have to vote for 1 person to get them lynched. In this way, scum CANNOT gain points from today's lynch, aside from the minigame itself. Keir - Vote for me Stutters - Vote for BH Crossfire - Vote for SnB (Picked at random, but who the hell cares?) In this way, none of the Blue's die to the lynch as long as the three of us vote together. SnB, did you get shot again last night? BH, did you get shot last night? Based on my point tally, I would pick stutters to lynch simply because he's withheld points. See you when I wake up. World's Worst Beer? Worlds worst painter: Ray Charles Anyway, just to confirm what I'm saying/not let any points get split to scum if you guys do lynch me: ##Give 500 Points: Blazinghand This way you can confirm that I had 500 left when SnB verifies the other 1500 and you can still divy them up via PM so the scum won't know who actually have the points. If we're confident that we don't have a Drew Carey I'm fine with that plan. I'll flip VT but we'll win either way so what does it really matter. If we're not 100% sure on DC I'd really urge you guys to consider voting someone you feel is the most scummy rather than me because I didn't send all of the points (Again up until your post I had no idea how they worked). I feel I've been transparent with my actions. I need to think more on this but Crossfire still feels off to me.I guess now would be a good time to go over his previous games but I'll do that in the morning, I need some sleep. PS: Worst beer is either a local brew in Orlando that is vitamin infused (tastes like vitamins too) or Olde English 800 Worlds worst person to carpool with | ||
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This plan is solid. If someone was blue and not one of the three they would have claimed a while ago. Although I think it's still Crossfire so it won't matter. World's worst neighbor? | ||
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On November 07 2012 17:36 Blazinghand wrote: Dirty Harry would also probably be a terrible neighbor. If it really comes down to it, town could pool points for 2 vigi shots tonight, on two unconfirmed. Even if the scum guy is NK-immune we'll at least make it into a 2-1 lylo with two confirmed town. I'm really not clear on how scum even possibly wins this. Perhaps he's just not very bright. Are we missing something here? World's worst dictator? Che Guevara Honestly, as long as we don't lynch me today this game is over. I'm vt and the only reason at all I can think of for Scum not conceding is the hope that a) drew Carey exists and can kill with points and b) the Scum can make themself immune to a night kill. If that happened and you lynch me you have to hope they can't use their points for a vet life/you hit the one who isn't immune. If you shoot the immune guy it would end up being 2-1-1 or 1-1-1. 2-1-1 still results in a win but 1-1-1 gets crazy. This is a really convoluted scenario but between the seeming imbalance of 4 blues with such powerful roles and how powerful mass roleclaiming is Scum/drew Carey have to have something to balance out out. Since anything other than absolute worst case scenario works out as a win for us it makes sense to take this lynch seriously still. Of course I could just be WIFOM-ing the shit out of myself but at that point the Scum is just wasting time anyway so it's a job issue. World's worst comedian? | ||
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On November 08 2012 02:35 Hopeless1der wrote: Dog-Sled. I shared a lot of your suspicions Cross, however BH says he's verified strong's claim and that we're all named appropriately. Despite this, you still are going after a supposed blue, and you must know there is no way we're lynching him before you, so I kind of have to conclude you're town, or insane. Based on that, and the lack of a filter to really speak of, I would prefer to lynch Stutters today. BH has already run his Day-DT check on Keir, and we'll find out at deadline what his alignment is. ##Vote: Stutters695 World's Worst Airline? al-Qaeda Airlines If you think I'm the best lynch that's fine but how are you reasoning that attacking a blue must mean he's blue? If we're certain that all three blues check out then the next logical step is as I said above or trying to spread doubt about a blue for a desperation play from a scum perspective. I've said before why I think Crossfire is scum and that hasn't changed. Some questions for Crossfire: When did you ask iGrok about the possibility of all four blues not being in the game and of the roleblock resolve order? Another thing you're neglecting is the power that Mafia started with. They had 2KP N1, had Gonzaw not outed himself, they would have had 2KP N2. The roles seem a lot less imbalanced when you consider that if they played stronger and have access to powers via points and its a fairly normal game (D1, Mislynch, N1 2 Scum kills, D2 Scum lynch, N2 2 Scum kills) we go into d3 3-2 or 2-2-1 instead of 5-1 or 4-1-1. This would have also allowed them to prevent so many points from stacking on the blues after the claimed, making them near invincible. Also are you sure your resolve order for RBing is right? Because that isn't how you resolve a spell in MtG. Generally a RB stops a player from performing night actions. Usually a person only has one night action so there is no issue here. However, in this case we had 4 powers spread over 3 people. If I'm understanding what you're saying, you're claiming that Track and DT Check are separate spells thus the RB resolves whichever came first and the other should go through unhindered. Two major issues I see with that are a) it would be incredibly frustrating to lose in the case of RBing and still getting DT checked by the guy you role blocked. It feels like a Track and DT on one person would count as one spell both for balance and just ease of use for the moderator. Second part to that is your MtG resolve. That isn't how you resolve in MtG. In MtG when a spell gets cast it goes Spell (a)<counter(b)<counter(a)<counter(b) until someone can't counter. In terms of roleblocking that would mean if SnB cast a DT/Track check on you and you RBd him your RB resolves unless someone RBs you. Using multiples in a different order has nothing to do with what spell would be targeted if they are resolved like MtG spells. I'd also wager again its far more likely that a RB on someone would block actions on themselves over actions on others for the same reason mentioned above. You might be telling the truth but there is no way to verify that until we can verify that you are in fact VT and have no power to roleblock. Thus ##Vote: Crossfire99 | ||
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Just for the next person even if I cant post again Worlds worst superhero? | ||
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On November 08 2012 04:15 Keirathi wrote: Nascar. I'm voting Stutters. If S&B is scum, then he's already won the game with some amazing play, and my hats off to him. Worlds worst President/Prime Minister/Ruler/etc? Dr. Robotnik. Seriously that guy fails so hard at becoming a ruler and then when he does everything is so screwed up he has to help bring himself down to fix it. Now that my restriction is over: No, no, no, no. If he has played scum, he has played really well, but this is still our game to lose. If we lynch me, I flip town and we drop to 3-1. If Keirathi isn't scum the scum isn't going to shoot him being that you'd still be the most likely lynch tomorrow we don't want to enter LYLO at night on the offchance scum gets a shot through (and points will dry up over time due to less feeding of them). Thus they have to shoot whichever of us is still alive. As long as they can survive the night with vet points they still win since they're mod confirmed and just lynch SnB the next day. The blues should lynch whichever of us they feel is more likely to be scum (same argument obviously applies from your perspective on to me). Only good can come from that (they hit you and you happen to be scum) and if not they just have to survive a night of WIFOM while killing the other surviving non blue to get the win with a free lynch the next day. Worlds worst priest/rabbi | ||
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