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/in Please don't NK me n1 this time, my reads suck and I'm anti-town whether I want to or not (Alsn can attest to this). | ||
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On September 26 2012 11:13 kushm4sta wrote: im going to lurk more this game I will take your word for this. Once your filter reaches 10 pages I will policy lynch you no matter what. | ||
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On September 26 2012 23:52 DarthPunk wrote: Hmm. I am not in the player list. Is there a problem? Not updated. Edit: actually it seems like he missed you... | ||
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On September 26 2012 23:54 DarthPunk wrote: I /in'd after Z-Boson and Before Kush. Seems like I should be on it still ^_^ Yeah, just realized that. | ||
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On September 28 2012 06:58 kushm4sta wrote: @sonic getting everyone's thoughts on lurker policy is important. Don't argue about it but share your views on the matter please.. Encouraging newbie towns to post is more important than typing out the same things I've said about lurker policy in XXVI and XXVII yet again: If we don't have a good scum case (lurker or active) by late d1, we lynch the most suspicious lurker. We should obviously be looking to avoid that scenario by scum hunting. That's really all that needs to be said as far as I'm concerned. | ||
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On September 28 2012 09:10 Z-BosoN wrote: This is a rather useless post. Newbie towns want to scumhunt. Newbie scum want to look like they are scumhunting. That =/= posting a lot but not for the sake of posting, or whatever you meant. And please tell me, what do you mean? You say you hope to have moved past the lurker discussion, and yet you are telling people to post a lot? In my eyes you are telling people not to lurk because that will make them seem scummy. It seems to me that you are indirectly stating your views on lurkers despite openly saying you don't want to talk about them. First paragraph, I agree newbie town wants to scum hunt. Problem is many don’t know how to scum hunt and end up low volume posters because they’re anxious to say something stupid. Pretty much what Stutters summed up, I’m saying that it’s better they engage in discussions, ask questions and try build cases they like. They will probably end up making a few stupid cases, but it’s our responsibility to see that their motivations weren’t scummy. If they remain low volume posters, it’s much more difficult to see what their motivations are. Second paragraph, I’m saying this is a game of information and we need players to post. Scum don’t want to post, if they could decide then no one would post anything and they win almost 100% of the time. Town posts in order to be able to solve the game and in the process we force scum to post as well. I’m not saying lurkers are necessarily scummy, just look at XXVII. Lurkers aren’t necessarily scummy, but they’re 100% anti-town. That’s why, if all else fail, we lynch the most scummy lurker. I’m a bit surprised I had to explain that post to someone who seem to have some experience. I could see attacking my post as an early game town strategy to get things started, but even after there were more interesting things going on it was still your main talking point. I do somewhat sympathize with your point that people should be forced to defend themselves, but I don’t see why a townie would push a weak case against someone who’s not even around to defend himself. I’m still in the process of reading up on the thread. Will be able to post more of my thoughts later tonight. | ||
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On September 29 2012 03:58 Z-BosoN wrote: Couple of things in your post: 1) Wrong. Like you said, finish up reading the thread. 2) I'm not pushing a case, for the last fucking time. Here are some guiding thoughts that I judge noteworthy, as you are reading off the thread: 1) Two people have defended you from my overly-aggressive post: Alsn, and debears. I find Alsn's reaction much more natural-looking than debears, please look at his filter and see if you agree. 2) wagon against kush. Kush's play definitely has some scummy-looking elements that people are currently wagoning over. Personally the main thing that gets to me is what I've answered DP's post with. See if you agree with these. 1) You made those posts after Kush's scum slip was brought up. Long after even. + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 14:26 Z-BosoN wrote: @debear Have you ever heard about instigating discussion? You know, getting people to talk? I don't like how you defended SDM. You stated your views on lurkers, so that means you must agree that this type of discussion has some validity: Yet, you don't address SDM's blatant "I don't give a crap about policy lynch discussion's" stance? Seems rather odd to me. ##FoS debears On September 28 2012 15:36 Z-BosoN wrote: I don't care who you've played with. You make it a point to say your view on lurkers. You defend him for absolutely no reason, when his views implicitly contradict yours. If you were townie, I wouldn't think this to be a priority for you. I am not focused on lurker discussion, I am focused on the inconsistency you've presented. The issue of "Lurker policy" is not what is at hand. The issue at hand is why you are bothering to defend him (and now kush) instead of letting them defend themselves. It feels extremely forced right now, as townies are supposedly scouring the thread for blood. That's why the FOS. Regarding your "case", it seems to me like the only think you've got going is my general usefulness. And I already said it in form of a question, but now I'll answer it more bluntly so you can't dismiss it: I am instigating discussion. Read all my posts and see if that's what I'm trying to accomplish. From my perspective it's weird you're still focusing entirely on debears at that point. 2) I'm not saying you're pushing a case against me, but you're pushing a case against debears. To me it seems this case is based on him defending me. Do you really find it all that weird that he explains that my post isn't scummy? I'd be interested in hearing if you've got more to your case. To clarify, I was pushing a similar case against Debears in XXVII on the first day. He was going out of his way defending thrawn. The difference here is that he's not so much defending me as he is attacking you. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On September 05 2012 13:25 kushm4sta wrote: I pushed the cubu vote because 1)he was a bad poster/lurker and it worked as a policy lynch if nothing else 2)how he turned revealed a lot about thrawn, who i assumed medic or jb would save because he was the obvious choice in my mind I thought it was very fishy that thrawn tried to redirect twice, and so I got very excited with the prospect of identifying two mafia in the first day. Also at the time I thought, as did thrawn, that kville was going to be replaced. So that's why I called him the worst townie. Now it's clear that honor belongs to kville. Also jacob I don't get how this is a good argument? It's reasoning is only one sentence: I think he means that then thrawn would be mafia, but right now that sentence, which is his ONLY argumentation, makes no sense. I didn't think anyone else seemed more scumlike than he did. Although I did know that was a big chance of him not being scum. See, drazzy darling, when there are a ton of lurkers/terrible townies in the game like yourself, it makes it pretty fucking hard to win as town. And my last defense of myself is to invoke the holy name of the late thrawn, who, on the night of his untimely death, proclaimed me as his biggest town read. Read his defense of me because I'm sure it's better than anything I could do. REST IN PEACE THRAWN TT Not to OMGUS, but this actually makes drazak seem quite suspicious to me. Mostly because I am the most active poster now that thrawn is gone. Maybe I'm biased about the matter but what do other people think? I will look through his filter more tomorrow. Kush tends to OMGUS whether scum or town, but the way in which he OMGUS differs. When scum he's confident and aggressive, when town he's more diplomatic and logical. In this game, the former certainly holds true. Other than that, town Kush seems to focus scum hunting (check his early XXVI filter) while scum Kush is focusing on defending himself and posting tons of fluff (he even mentioned in the XXVII Mafia QT that his strategy was to post a shit ton). In this game his scum hunting is pretty much non-existent while he's been defending himself and posting fluff just like in XXVII. The most significant piece of information in this game though is his scum slip and his explanation. The slip is significant. I have a really hard time believing that the mother of all OMGUSing would be calling his attacker townie. Unless, of course, he's in possession of extra information and it's a slip. His defense isn't very convincing. On September 28 2012 20:12 kushm4sta wrote: 2. My supposed scumslip: huh? What else should I have called you? Player? Person? Maybe but to me those things sound awkward. Townie just seemed like the most non awkward word to use. Innocent until proven guilty. That's how we do it in America bro. Of course he's been using "people" and "person" a lot in past games, but this post from XXVII is a good example on how he views his attackers: On September 18 2012 20:27 kushm4sta wrote: what I said about flame wars.. that is what I did in the last two previous games. for instance drazak accused me really hard and I basically just called him a bad player again and again. I am trying to avoid that this game though. I really hate waking up to people fosing me...feels bad It's also worth pointing out that drazak attacking him made Kush suspicious of drazak (post quoted above), he did the complete opposite of making a town read on him. At this point I need more time to make sense of all the back-and-forths between Debears, Boson, Alsn and Darth. For me, Kush's scum slip, weak explanation and inconsistencies makes him the #1 d1 lynching candidate right now. Him being a potential late game liability is gravy. ##Vote Kush | ||
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On September 29 2012 04:52 Z-BosoN wrote: SDM, don't change things here. In 1) you said that my focus was entirely on you. Now you've changed it to debears. 2) Same thing, don't play the fool. We both can tell you meant yourself in your post which I've bolded earlier. Now I know that you are willing to make up arguments to not admit how bad your posts were. That tells me you are either highly arrogant, or a defensive scum. I will expand my case on debears in a sec. I still think he is scum. I'm not sure if you're trying to create a misunderstanding on purpose. It's clear to anyone who's read your filter that you're mainly focusing on Debears, but in order to really find debears suspicious on the basis on him explaining why my post wasn't scummy, you need to think the suspicion you directed towards me actually had some merit. And as far as I can tell that's what you've kept saying, for example: On September 29 2012 03:46 Z-BosoN wrote: debears, my case against you is not OMGUS. That's a dumb thing to say, granted I've explained to you why I find you scummy. I didn't call stutters out for lurking. I talked to him because I've played with him before, and conveyed my will that he should post more than he did in XXIV, because he makes decent posts, or at least made them in XXIV, as a townie. It's more of an "acknowledgement" towards someone I've already played with. I didn't call him out for being afk. I attacked SDM because of HOW he said he would be afk, as if he was blatantly avoiding posting because of his hate on lurker policy talking. AS IF. Which is why I've questioned him. I'm also being very clear here. I'm not pushing a case against SDM. I'm pushing a case against you, again, because I didn't find your reaction towards SDM natural at all. Answering SDM shortly. Here you're rationalizing how me being afk was more suspect than Stutters being afk and how defending my suspect reasoning is scummy by Debears. If that's what your case is based on it's basically based on nothing as far as I'm concerned. Just to make it clear, that doesn't mean I have a town read on Debear. Answering questions intended for others is generally anti-town, but he's also been doing some pro-town scum hunting. As for your motivations, I'm not sure. I could see them being both townie and scummy but I don't want to expand on that until I've given foursome interaction between you, Debears, Alsn and DP more thought. | ||
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On September 29 2012 05:25 kushm4sta wrote: that post of when I say player and person is actually from when I was scum. 1. that was.because.I put in extra effort to not make scum slips. this game I don't even give a fuck. 2.I.think people misunderstand.the nature of scumslips. I'm surprised that people who have been scum before don't realise this. Think of the scumslips you've made.They aren't obvious like that. I made plenty last game. 3. So you don't think I was aggressive my second game? Read the post where drazzak foses me. I.flame quite bad there.if I remember.correctly. People.critisize me for not scumhunting. Well I identified my top scum read and his scummy behavior. My time is not infinite though and people keep asking me questions I have to answer. Would you prefer I ignore questions? 1. I want to echo what Stutters just asked: If you're town, why would you feel the need to put extra effort into not making scum slips? That's big scum slip #2 in my book. 2. Yes, and you were scum last game. That's a really weird argument to make if you're town. What are you trying to say, exactly? 3. Actually, rereading the drazak exchange you called him "terrible townie", so I guess calling Darth townie this game isn't completely against your town meta like I first thought. I knew engaging in the topic of Kush's meta would result in a headache. If anyone else want to take a look at his townie play in XXVI this is his filter and those are the two most significant posts wrt Drazak's attack. I find them more logically reasoned and less inflammatory than his scum meta and what he's showing in this game: + Show Spoiler + On September 05 2012 13:25 kushm4sta wrote: I pushed the cubu vote because 1)he was a bad poster/lurker and it worked as a policy lynch if nothing else 2)how he turned revealed a lot about thrawn, who i assumed medic or jb would save because he was the obvious choice in my mind I thought it was very fishy that thrawn tried to redirect twice, and so I got very excited with the prospect of identifying two mafia in the first day. Also at the time I thought, as did thrawn, that kville was going to be replaced. So that's why I called him the worst townie. Now it's clear that honor belongs to kville. Also jacob I don't get how this is a good argument? It's reasoning is only one sentence: I think he means that then thrawn would be mafia, but right now that sentence, which is his ONLY argumentation, makes no sense. I didn't think anyone else seemed more scumlike than he did. Although I did know that was a big chance of him not being scum. See, drazzy darling, when there are a ton of lurkers/terrible townies in the game like yourself, it makes it pretty fucking hard to win as town. And my last defense of myself is to invoke the holy name of the late thrawn, who, on the night of his untimely death, proclaimed me as his biggest town read. Read his defense of me because I'm sure it's better than anything I could do. REST IN PEACE THRAWN TT Not to OMGUS, but this actually makes drazak seem quite suspicious to me. Mostly because I am the most active poster now that thrawn is gone. Maybe I'm biased about the matter but what do other people think? I will look through his filter more tomorrow. On September 06 2012 00:36 kushm4sta wrote: A girl told me she likes my glasses.. that means she wants to fuck me right? ANYWAY @drazak I was scumhunting, I just didn't have a great idea of who was scum day 1, as no one did. I thought cubu looked more like mafia than anyone else. Scumhunting doesn't' mean figuring out 100% who is mafia, that is impossible. Thrawn calling me town doesn't make me town--this is true. But thrawn is a confirmed innocent so at least we know that all his motivations were pro town and his beliefs genuine. Drazak I agree the town doesn't need a leader, but I think we do need to be focused. And what I mean by that is we should not all be analyzing different people. That is what mafia wants because it makes it easy for mafia to hide amidst that confusion and not to take a stance on people he doesn't want to take a stance on. You ask me who my best scum reads are atm. I will comply. As of now it's xatalos, for reasons already posted. I still want to analyze your filter more, drazak, but I will say that accusing me out of the blue, since for many I am a strong town read, was not really a safe move, and that gives you town points...minor town points though, because you may have thought that cubu flipping green justified your suspicion. Other people I am suspicious of is stutters, since he has been absent for quite a while now.. I really want to see what he is going to post today before I make a judgement on him. I will post more substantially later. PS I really don't want to lynch kville in light of his most recent post and just thinking about it more. He deserves the lynch maybe because his play was just really bad and anti town but I don't want to waste it on him. Also I think it is mostly a waste of time to discuss him, since there is not much to talk about or analyze in his posts. I still think he's the most suspicious player in this game for reasons stated, so for now my vote stands. | ||
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