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On September 15 2012 13:36 JacobStrangelove wrote: /in Urg fine.... i'm in... but I will have a serious drop in the amount I will be posting at random times.... Don't worry. I'll have more time this game so we can switch places from xxvi and I'll be super active and you can lurk then confirm yourself with a vig shot :p. Just don't be like me and shoot the medic. XD | ||
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 someone else join. Marv is a really good host ! | ||
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On September 18 2012 11:31 kushm4sta wrote: Sup guys I am kushmasta IRL name jake. I live in maine and go to college for chemical engineering. (think all that random shit you learned in chemistry applied to real world situations). No fluff zone: posting habits I probably will post a lot because I have no life. I work but my work is basically a study hall so I will be posting on my phone at work. That is why sometimes my spelling and formatting will be ass. experience I have 2 games played and I have won both games and never killed. So far I am unkilled and undefeated and I want to continue my streak so I will be tryharding this game, but not tryharding enough so I'm the best town and mafia kills me. Call it selfish but I dont want to die... @thrawn I know you have 3 games undefeated but you got killed by scum therefore you aren't as cool as me. I am looking to step up my play this game. Last game was quite humbling for me. I made a lot of bad calls, and d1 caused a mislynch >< IM SORRY CUBU So I'm going to try to be more careful and have better analysis this game. Lynch time I will be around on my phone at least. I think deciding on a lynch at the last minute is a really powerful tool for town beacuse it makes scum panic and do stupid things. However that's really not possible with this mess of time zones we got going on here. Explain. You don't want to die because you're 2-0 without dying. Because of this you openly admit that you aren't going to try your hardest to be the best town you can because you want to live. Couple this with saying you're going to be more careful and have better analysis this game and its starting to sound like even this early in the game you've got some implicit guilt going on because you know your filter isn't going to match your meta because you know something we don't. Also isn't providing better analysis directly contradictory to your statement about wanting to live so you aren't going to try your best? You aren't going to remain deathless in mafia forever but you could do your part to make sure that if you die the town gets something out of it instead of | ||
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He's active however so I'd like to see him contribute more and get a better read on him. One major question for him: On September 18 2012 20:27 kushm4sta wrote: @stutters I want to improve my play because last game I sucked quite hard. anyone can attest to that lol. I also don't want to be the best town because getting nk sucks imo. I like being around for the end of the game. I'm just being honest. but thanks for accusing me because it makes it less likely that ill be nk, since scum usually kill the towniest person. what I said about flame wars.. that is what I did in the last two previous games. for instance drazak accused me really hard and I basically just called him a bad player again and again. I am trying to avoid that this game though. I really hate waking up to people fosing me...feels bad Why were you honest about this? Telling everyone you're going to avoid getting night-killed so you can maintain a pointless streak serves no purpose from a town perspective. All it does is provide excuses for you for any potential bad play and if you're town waste time on unnecessary discussion. You also say: On September 19 2012 11:46 kushm4sta wrote: Killingtime is missing. Seems pretty convenient that he goes missing as soon as the heat is off him. But for now there are more important matters to discuss since I doubt a banwagon on killing is happening. I'm not going to vote yet. Day 1 scum reads are pretty bad. They are necessary, definitely, but it seems like they are just wrong more often than not. This leads me to the unpopular topic: How do people feel about lynching a lurker. I would much rather lynch a lurker day 1 than let them sit there with his automatic null read forever. And who would we lynch instead? A possible active townie who is just playing bad? Think about this, we have serious lurkers in CUBU and ATREIDES. We have semi lurkers in REMEDY and STUTTERS. How sure are you that Sharrant is mafia? Personally I'm not sure enough to vote for him over a lurker. He says he isn't sure enough to vote Sharrant over a lurker, but he's willing to vote debears. What makes you think he is a better scum lynch than removing a lurker or lynching Scharrant. | ||
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On September 19 2012 19:46 kushm4sta wrote: bringing up the nk shit again....ok. i think its bad play to make yourself a nk target because you are worthless if you are this super strong townie d1, then get nk n1. I think thrawn is a good player but he definitely fell into this trap last game. he made himself a target and his death told us nothing. I only bring this up again to save stutters the task of reading through my filter. ok second question: why do I want to lynch debears over sharrant...I talk about this a lot. basically i see scum motivation in debears bad play but not in sharrants bad play. why am I willing to vote for debears over a lurker? honestly I would probably rather lynch a lurker over him, just because I think d1 reads I'm general are ass. We were voting for our biggest scumread, though, just to see what bandwagons were viable. also voting for a lurker at that point would have been stupid because we don't even know which lurker we would consolidate on. cubu is lurking even harder than last game. I've read your filter. That isn't an acceptable answer. By intentionally avoiding NKs by playing scummier than you would you're adding doubt and uncertainty where there shouldn't be any. I still don't see a town motivation for saying this. Dropping it for now as there are bigger fish to fry today. Still suspicious. On September 19 2012 19:48 kushm4sta wrote: yeah stutters returns from afk in a pretty scummy fashion. afk for a while while I go to class. Explain, what about my response is scummy or this is just you trying to fit your meta from your previous games by OMGUSing me? | ||
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1) Sharrant is active. If he is scum it will reveal itself over time, while if we go into lategame with a bunch of lurkers we're boned in lylo. 2)You guys are painting the SK idea as way too scummy imo. Look at Kush's early posts. Self-survival is usually indicative of a power-role or scum. If he's a blue he wouldn't have so obviously painted a target on himself. If he's scum it seems to reason he wouldn't paint such a big target on himself. Given the option between SK and VT, SK makes a hell of a lot more sense. I don't necessarily agree with that conclusion but it makes sense and he's putting himself out there on that read and gives us even more of substance to hold him accountable for. Looking at the lurkers: Drazak: Would like to see some more from him before the lynch. Nowhere near the least active and he has at least thrown out questions. Wouldn't be our best lynch target imo. KillingTime has been actively lurking. He has 11 posts during D1. He has only one post with any real content. This is similar to his town play in XXVI but his reads in this have all been agreeing with other people while in XXVI his reads were more based on his observations. Really I'd like to see a lynch on Cubu. Regardless of if Cubu is scum or town, Cubu needs to die. For anyone who didn't play in NMMXXVI check his filter there (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363923&user=153930). 9 posts before he was lynched on day 2. We let him live Day 1 with the hopes his play would improve and it didn't as VT. After we wasted a lynch on him D2 we put ourselves in mylo. We shouldn't let that happen again when we can easily avoid it. Our day 2 lynch candidate will be a much stronger one than our D1 if we're lynching someone active and Cubu has shown no intentions of actually playing. ##Vote Cubu | ||
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On September 20 2012 04:56 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Would reading my post on Killing make you reconsider? It's not a super strong case, but I agree with him not bringing up own reads, while in XXVI he did. The complete lack of scum hunting coupled with him trying to clear himself makes it look like he's feeling dirty and wants to wash himself clean (scum), rather than attacking others (town). Anyway, I'm with you on Cubu. I've played with him in two games and over 90 hours he's contributed with NOTHING. If he's got an extra 90 hours in NMMXXVI without contributing that makes it even worse. I'm still considering my voting options. Killing was my second possible lurker lynch for the reason you agreed with. Cubu is just toxic to have in the game if he isn't posting so he's my #1, Killing would be my other policy lynch today. I don't think Sharrant is scummy enough to justify a day 1 lynch on him today. | ||
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On September 20 2012 05:27 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: It seems like Cubu only has your vote and Killing has none. I'm not sure switching will make sense based on that and quite frankly, I'm not sure I think switching will make sense anyway. I'll post my final thoughts before voting and I might check back later on my phone if I feel that'll be necessary. I still think Sharrant is a mistake over a lurker but if people disagree Sharrant would definitely be the best non-lurker lynch due to the focus other people have put on him some people will have a lot to explain once he flips. | ||
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Reread the rules, this is plurality voting not majority. Even if you hold a majority you won't die until the day ends. Also when you unvote you don't say a name after. Just would like a clarification for future reference since the rules don't mention it one way or another; Are we allowed to vote no lynch? Now moving on to this trainwreck: On September 20 2012 05:47 Sharrant wrote: @Thrawn The Mason set up I'm used to has all masons being able to talk to each other, as opposed to pairs of masons that speak only to their partner. With that information in mind, rethink about what plans I might have had, and I think you'll see what I was bread crumbing for you and debears to do if you were both mafia. For now, Thrawn, I'm ready to concede that you're town. There are still things that don't add up in my eyes, and those are the things involving debears. @debears Killing came back into my sights a few pages ago. I dropped him again after his post mentioning Atreides that you quoted. You're right though, I thought he would have made more posts since I came back. @SDM, @debears I'm going to have to agree with you two at this point. At this point my vote is going to be going to killer, Stutters' recent posts have put him on good footing, and Cubu is still just an unkown quantity. unvote Stutter695 vote KillingTime @Rethos you have missed things. Thrawn picked up on it, but he's unsure whether or not he believes me. Since this is piling up so much, I guess I'll be the one that has to claim today, although it's already pretty obvious. I'm Mason, I was trying to bread crumb debears and Thrawn into claiming Mason under the assumption that all masons are aware and can talk, rather than just pairs. That's why I brought up the fact that they could be masons several times either directly our roundabout, to give them an easy way out of looking scummy that matches what they had already done. If we had voted debears up and he had claimed mason, we would have immediately had two mafia members. But this was before I knew that Masons were pairs and that there could be multiple pairs. @Drazak ... You honestly had time to got hrough every single post and then voted me with a single sentence completely lacking any justification AND you did it in such a way that you look like you're only suggesting that you might be voting for me. AND you commited the cardinal sin of putting someone at L-1 without giving them warning. You just reached my number one spot. ##unvote KillingTime ##vote Drazak You're scum, and you just had the most obvious bandwagonning in the world. Who is your mason partner and why haven't they backed you up? Where are your breadcrumbs? Quite frankly I don't believe you. If you really are a mason you should say your partners name and they should speak up as well. Should one of you die, that leaves the other as a confirmed town. If you really are a mason you shouldn't have claimed but since you have you need to make the most out of it. ##unvote ##vote Sharrant | ||
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On September 20 2012 06:13 Sharrant wrote: @Stutters Every single time I said they could have been Masons was me trying to get them to claim it, or consider it as a claim. And really, after the town was so hugely against a role claim, you want me to out another player before it's confirmed whether or not I'll be lynched? Then what, I die to a town lynch, and then my partner dies to mafia or possibly SK over night? Given that you had one partner and the sample PM specifies that you and another (singular) that I find it hard to believe you wouldn't get verification from your mason buddy or a mod before doing such a stupid plan. If you both claim and the town switches off of you the mafia can only kill one of you tonight if they should choose to kill either (possible they wouldn't to not have a confirmed townie d2). By claiming on your own you're asking us to believe that you are a mason without substantiating that. If you claimed vig or something I'd give you the benefit of the doubt tonight but if you get shot at night as a mason your mason claim is worthless because we won't know your partners name. I was against a role claim. You role claimed, which was stupid. Now to try and make it less stupid we need to make sure to get something out of it. I don't see a situation in which not revealing your partner is beneficial atm (I might be overlooking something so please speak up if you have a reason). | ||
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For now though ##unvote | ||
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Drazak wanting to lynch Cubu given the claim really doesn't sit well with me. His only post of value is on the other scummy lurker KillingTime. An easy scapegoat which he didn't even really contribute other than saying FoS is useful. KillingTime has avoided real contribution all game as well. The issue is now he won't be here to defend himself. Drazak why do you think lynching Cubu is still a good idea? It confirms their story yes, but if Cubu flips green we're hoping there is a JK or mafia WIFOM themselves out of shooting Sharrant as confirmed town. If you couldn't lynch Cubu who would you focus on today? | ||
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On September 20 2012 08:19 drazak wrote: Obviously, I have many many many hours to devote to things related to mafia, the posts say 1-2 hours a day, I give more like 3-4,and obviously if I had time to read through filters and be less circumspect I would. I have a family life and other things going on, so I can't before deadline. Therefore I'm left with one option which is to say I will post about it D2 morning. I'm willing to look at Killing if other people have stopped on the whole idea of killing a lurker to prove a town. TBH killing a lurker to prove a town is one of the best things that can happen D1, as we have a town to work with D2. That's just my thought on the matter, I haven't really looked at killingtime, and I don't know what his IRL situation is at the moment, so going to bed might be because he has to be up in 4 hours already, staying up another 2-3 would be crazy. Wait, what? The only person you've FoSd/voted on/anything really before saying you want to lynch Cubu post claim is KillingTime and you're saying you "haven't really looked at him." What have you been doing the past two days? | ||
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