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Shady Sands
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Shady Sands
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let's start things off now, I think sloosh is guilty of asking useless questions that don't help town scumhunt. FoS slOosh | ||
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Shady Sands
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Drawing from my experience in XXIV, I'm going to say that it's a little early for cases. I'll be watching the thread though. | ||
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Shady Sands
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On September 04 2012 08:08 Hapahauli wrote: What in particular about XXIV? Also, just because it's early for cases doesn't mean you have to resign yourself to "watching the thread." In XXIV I jumped on Solarsail on the basis of his first post. Turns out that not only was Solarsail town, it led (indirectly) to my mislynch and almost to his mislynch much further down the road. | ||
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Shady Sands
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On September 04 2012 08:20 slOosh wrote: Could you clarify what you mean by this point? Basically when someone goes and says "I got roleblocked" or "I was hit as a vet last night" scum now know something that previously only a townie knew. I don't think this is true all the time, as sometimes it's critical to get this info out to the rest of town, but I can see where Hapa is coming from | ||
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Shady Sands
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On September 04 2012 08:24 BlackMamba24 wrote: how would scum not know who got roleblocked or hit Because if they hit a vet, they wouldn't know whether it was a medic, a vet, or whether their member got roleblocked. | ||
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Shady Sands
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On September 04 2012 08:26 grush57 wrote: NONONOONONO As town ALWAYS tell town if you got hit/roleblocked unless some weird setup or something. Why? | ||
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On September 04 2012 18:17 Palmar wrote: Just like with any other normal miller role, nosy neighbours do not know they are nosy neighbours whoa what? Just got back into this thread. I'll read through it later (when I wake up) but for now, ##Vote Mattchew | ||
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Shady Sands
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On September 05 2012 05:12 grush57 wrote: Well, looks like Mattchew slipped and all the noobs on his team are now scrambling. So.... ##Vote: Mattchew Miltonkram after this lynch?(Assuming that Mattchew flips scum which he will) Why are you piling on Miltonkram? AFAIK you didn't even offer a single post on the entire Mattchew debacle and now you're trying to chainsaw defend Hapa by drawing associative scumtells? | ||
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On September 05 2012 05:57 Bill Murray wrote: check this scummy post from forumite 1) misreads the setup 2) attacks him with a smirk for the claim, which looks scummy as shit 3) takes the visiting thing a step further, saying "if they die" which clears a ton of scum roles... forumite is scum with a role FoS: Forumite I don't get this, please explain | ||
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Shady Sands
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On September 07 2012 00:52 Hapahauli wrote: There is no scum motivation. Think about what the objectives of hard-defending a teammate as mafia are. The goal of hard-defending a teammate is to prevent their lynch. It’s pretty clear that defending someone after they have 20-something votes on them is not going to prevent said lynch, so how can it be a mafia objective? It’s not a mafia objective, it’s screamingly bad townie. By contrast, If the lynch was close between two candidates, hard-defending makes sense from a mafia perspective. It’s not smart, but there’s mafia-motive. Regarding the whole “Mattchew was stupid therefore Ottox could be stupid mafia” – that’s a load of BS. As stated above, there’s a huge difference between stupid and mafia-motivated stupid. So as for your questions: I don’t find Ottox scummy. I see a lot of town motivation (even if stupid) behind his actions. What town motive do you see? | ||
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Shady Sands
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On September 07 2012 00:56 Hapahauli wrote: Welcome back - where the hell have you been? Did you not just read my damn post? I told you exactly why it's not scum motivated. The town motivation lies in him questioning a read he believes not to be true. Stupid? Absolutely. But as stated above, NOT mafia motivated. Fell behind in this game and never got the chance to catch up. Voted Mattchew in this thread and got warned for it =S Alright, got it. I'm still leery of players like this though, because if this is how he plays town, are you sure we want him around at MYLO/LYLO? | ||
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Shady Sands
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On September 07 2012 01:26 imallinson wrote: That's getting into the same reasoning as Ottox's reason why Matt wasn't scum, that because scum can talk with team mates they don't make mistakes. Your point makes sense if the scum team is working well together but we've had Matt's fake claim which is obviously scum doing something stupid. If you add to that Ottox who I think is scum doing all the stupid shit he has done I can see Gravan posting the soft defence of Matt before thinking and before looking at the QT. Obviously this alone wouldn't be a solid case, in the same way BM's point about Hapa coaching isn't enough to push a lynch on him, but with the rest of Gravan's posting being so lurky and faux contributing I think that Gravan is the best bet to lynch tomorrow. It's certainly possible he is newbie town but I don't think that is a sufficient explanation for his scummy behaviour. Personally I've never played a game with BM before and seeing everyone ignore him I figured that not everyone can be scum so it must just be how BM is. Even if Gravan didn't reach the same conclusion the case reeks of scum making a light case on someone they think will be an easy target to seem to contribute to the thread. As for Ottox and Gravan both being scum I think it's certainly possible. Notice Gravan doesn't talk about Ottox being scummy until well after Ottox started his hole digging project. I think it is certainly possible that the scum team decided that Ottox had shafted himself and bussed him to blend in with everyone else attacking him. IMO reading through Ottox's filter, it's still a bit early to be drawing associative tells with him. We should probably wait for his flip to do that. In the meanwhile, I want to figure out when scum started to bus Matt, and which players ended up voting Matt with little to no explanation (or bad explanation) after Palmar essentially modkilled him. | ||
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Shady Sands
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On September 07 2012 01:38 imallinson wrote: The problem is that everyone who didn't have a vote on Matt voted Matt after Palmar's post with little or no explanation because the explanation was obvious to everyone (except Ottox of course). I'm sure scum bussed Matt as soon as they saw Palmar's post. So our possible list of people who could be scum bussing Matt is everyone who voted Matt except Sloosh, Hapa and DYH which doesn't get us very far. Got it. | ||
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On September 07 2012 15:25 Bill Murray wrote: If Doyouhas is town we don't lynch Hapahauli If Doyouhas is scum we lynch Hapahauli imo Can you please explain how Doyouhas and Hapa can be linked? | ||
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On September 08 2012 15:58 BroodKingEXE wrote: Guys this lynch is not happening. Its like 12:00 PST I'll make a good case in the morning, but Im forced to say Im Watcher. Night One I visited BC and got back GK -_-. Shouldn't you have also gotten back Blackmamba as well? Or was Black not concurrently killed by the suicide bomber? | ||
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On September 08 2012 23:02 Gravan wrote: Another thought - Shady has been fairly quiet this game. All his posts indicate that he is reading the thread and keeping abreast of it himself, but his posts just kind of answer or ask questions. I am interested to hear if you have any reads, Shady? Anyway, it might be worth it for everybody to take a peek at his short filter. Right now, my main read is on BKE, both because of Hapa's case and his bad claim. Other than BKE, my other main read is GRush. It starts here: On September 06 2012 07:50 grush57 wrote: K. Medics on Toad and BC and BM. Vigi kill in the pool of scummy people/ scummylurkers. Ex: Ottox, Maverick, Do you has. This comes before GK suicide bombs into BC/BM. To me it almost sounds like he was trying to draw a blue into the bombing. Then he responds to the BKE case by questioning evidence without offering his own read (a classic instance of someone who wants to poke at a case without revealing their own opposition to it); then starts soft defending BKE: On September 08 2012 06:25 grush57 wrote: This reminds me of LVI where BKE got mislynched and he was way scummier that game. while trying to deflect attention to Lvdr for lurking. Then he sheeps BKE without really offering his own reason for doing so, while at the same time ridiculing people who are attacking him without straight up defending himself; finally claiming someone else's reason to vote BKE as his own. Generally, all he's done is post 1-liners on people without offering clear reads. He also soft defended BKE until the wagon was unstoppable. No matter what BKE flips, that sort of soft defending is very scummy, as I can't see why a town who thought BKE was town wouldn't put his foot down and defend like crazy; a classic example of which was Ottox. ## FoS GRush57 | ||
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