Newbie Mini Mafia XXIV

On August 13 2012 15:07 Blazinghand wrote:
1 gate FE or 15 Nexus are both appropriate plays against a 1-1-1. Once you've realized a 1-1-1 is on the way, hit stride on a 1.5 base economy and pump units out of your warpgates, mostly zealots with a small number of sentries and stalkers, and make immortals from your robo. If you know he has cloak, you'll naturally be making an observer as well. Do not be afraid to chrono-boost your robo. Keep on making units and keep a stalker or two outside his base to see when he pushes out. Get out as many immortals as you can before he reaches your base. A Pylon out on the map (close to your nat, but located to flank his main attack) will let you warp in crucial flanking zealots.

As your last immortal pops, push in using guardian shield as he sieges up-- your goal should be to begin moving in as soon as he wants to secure his location, and before any bunkers go up-- his first tank volley should have to make a choice between shooting immortals and zealots in melee with his own forces (or the small number of sentries and stalkers you have). Use FFs to prevent kiting, and remember he can't walk back through his own tanks. Don't worry too much about the banshees-- you'll be cleaning them up with a warpin of stalkers after the fight ends plus whatever AA you have left alive.

This varies from map to map, as some maps are strong for 1-1-1 (Ohana and Shakuras come to mind) and some are weaker and give you more room to maneuver and delay him (Daybreak etc). Don't get choked up, don't overmake stalkers, and if you engage, you basically can't back off unless you've taken very little damage from his tank shots.

On August 13 2012 15:35 DarthPunk wrote:


Why are you buddying BH so hard? are you that desperate to establish your town cred before the game has even started?!?!? Blatant scum slip. SS IS SCUM! you heard it here first kids.

On August 13 2012 15:07 Blazinghand wrote:
1 gate FE or 15 Nexus are both appropriate plays against a 1-1-1. Once you've realized a 1-1-1 is on the way, hit stride on a 1.5 base economy and pump units out of your warpgates, mostly zealots with a small number of sentries and stalkers, and make immortals from your robo. If you know he has cloak, you'll naturally be making an observer as well. Do not be afraid to chrono-boost your robo. Keep on making units and keep a stalker or two outside his base to see when he pushes out. Get out as many immortals as you can before he reaches your base. A Pylon out on the map (close to your nat, but located to flank his main attack) will let you warp in crucial flanking zealots.

As your last immortal pops, push in using guardian shield as he sieges up-- your goal should be to begin moving in as soon as he wants to secure his location, and before any bunkers go up-- his first tank volley should have to make a choice between shooting immortals and zealots in melee with his own forces (or the small number of sentries and stalkers you have). Use FFs to prevent kiting, and remember he can't walk back through his own tanks. Don't worry too much about the banshees-- you'll be cleaning them up with a warpin of stalkers after the fight ends plus whatever AA you have left alive.

This varies from map to map, as some maps are strong for 1-1-1 (Ohana and Shakuras come to mind) and some are weaker and give you more room to maneuver and delay him (Daybreak etc). Don't get choked up, don't overmake stalkers, and if you engage, you basically can't back off unless you've taken very little damage from his tank shots.

On August 15 2012 09:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
Does anyone have experience playing in a game where a serial killer was a possible role? If there did end up being a serial killer, how big a role did they play and how high would you rate the importance and achieveability of sniffing them out early? In other words, would it be a worthwhile use of the town's time and investigation to try to figure out who, if anyone, is the serial killer? I can see how it would be very important to find out who is SK early on, but I also can see how it might be way more difficult than figuring out who is mafia, and thus not a good use of time. One distinction between the serial killer and the mafia is that the mafia are in communication and will be working together while the serial killer is separated from both town and mafia. Any player who is suspected to be not of town affiliation could either be mafia or SK, so while in either case they are a good target for lynching, having knowledge of their actual role would be way more valuable than just an uninformed hit on a supposed non-town player.

If there isn't an SK, then this line of discussion is a complete waste of time and we would be doing the mafia's job for them, which is why I asked if anyone has experience in games with an SK so that we all can get a better idea of what the risk/reward anaylsis should be on determining whether or not and when to focus on a potential SK.

Concerning shady sand's post, this is my first game so I have no previous history to reference.

Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out.

On August 15 2012 10:10 Solarsail wrote:


Because I've played one game of Mafia in my life, it was on another forum and that happened. But I forgot that "Newbie" in the title means that everyone is a fucking veteran and doesn't need to be told anything.

I have no idea what a good post is, please enlighten me on how I can make completely flawless first posts with zero information.

On August 15 2012 09:13 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm not going to quote the entire post, but I'd strongly recommend the town to read Hapahauli's post following XXIII(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&currentpage=58#1160). Was watching that game while I was waiting for this to start and based off of his scumhunting track record it contains some good advice. Since it's probable we will mislynch we need to get as much out of Day 1 as possible.

Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out.

On August 15 2012 10:12 mkfuba07 wrote:

Is this normal? Just wonderin'

XXIII - goon for 0.5 then vanilla townie from then on.

On August 15 2012 10:11 thrawn2112 wrote:


I am not really worried, but am trying to learn from other people's experiences if there is any reason to worry. I thought I was pretty clear that I was undecided on the importance of SK, and that if SK is unimportant in D1 it's a complete waste of time to worry about it. My current opinion is that it is something to worry about, but not on D1. Therefore I'm not going to continue posting about it until something happens along the lines of way too many unexplained town deaths.

On August 15 2012 10:20 Solarsail wrote:


Lol you think in my first serious attempt at a game I'd start implying stuff with multiple layers of meaning? I wanted to post something day one that would at least show I had read the TL guides and was making an effort to participate. Feel free to read into it like I'm a pro though. Go on.

Everyone IS DOING THE SAME THING today, which is trying NOT TO DIE AT THE FIRST MENTION OF AN INCONSISTENCY.

If you don't stop I will vote you.

On August 15 2012 10:20 Solarsail wrote:


Lol you think in my first serious attempt at a game I'd start implying stuff with multiple layers of meaning? I wanted to post something day one that would at least show I had read the TL guides and was making an effort to participate. Feel free to read into it like I'm a pro though. Go on.

Everyone IS DOING THE SAME THING today, which is trying NOT TO DIE AT THE FIRST MENTION OF AN INCONSISTENCY.

If you don't stop I will vote you.

On August 15 2012 10:29 Solarsail wrote:


Wow. Guess I'm scum then.

##Vote: Shady Sands

Seriously this is not worth your amazing detective skills, case solved already, go look at someone else. Or just realise that I'm trying and shut up.

On August 15 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made.

Only scum focus on trying to survive. Town focuses on scumhunting. Why would you devote your first post to trying to show participation?

On August 15 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made.

On August 15 2012 10:41 thrawn2112 wrote:


Sorry for the bother, but could you describe what OMGUS means? It's one of the several expressions I see used in the mafia forums of which I have no idea what they mean.

OMGUS stands for "Oh My God, You Suck (for voting for me)!". it is sometimes used as a shorthand to indicate that you are voting for someone primarily because they voted for you.