• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:43
CEST 17:43
KST 00:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20258Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202577RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18
Community News
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced24BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 I offer completely free coaching services What tournaments are world championships?
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event Esports World Cup 2025 $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced [Update] ShieldBattery: 2025 Redesign Dewalt's Show Matches in China BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] Mineral Boosting Does 1 second matter in StarCraft?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 807 users

i actually recommend map hacking

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
mitsy
Profile Joined October 2005
United States1792 Posts
January 02 2006 10:34 GMT
#1
provided that you try to hide it and remain plausibly legit, i think hacking helps you improve more quickly. it's easier than watching reps after a game. you can learn the timing, the options, what to "scout" for more quickly and more precisely.

there is a myth that hacking "takes no skill" or "ruins your skill." i think we have found that to not be the case. many of the strongest players became strong while hacking (feel free to name names). many more probably just won't admit to this.

now if you don't try to hide it at all, sure it's stupid. but if you hide it well enough that you don't get caught, i think you're basically building your skills faster than someone who doesn't hack because you can "watch the rep" and play at the same time--you can alter your gameplan for each matchup more efficiently, you can brainstorm about it while playing, etc. etc. provided that you turn off the hack now and then (to test your gameplan against the darkness), i think you can arrive at a good gameplan and be more creative and aware of the options AND more trained in execution with HACK ON.
express yourself--madonna
wasted
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany1789 Posts
January 02 2006 10:36 GMT
#2
who needs a hack? just tell your opponent why you would like to see what he's doing and make him give you vision...
---gone---
rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
January 02 2006 10:38 GMT
#3
Can we ban stimey yet, PLEASE.
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
mitsy
Profile Joined October 2005
United States1792 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-01-02 10:40:40
January 02 2006 10:38 GMT
#4
On January 02 2006 19:36 wasted wrote:
who needs a hack? just tell your opponent why you would like to see what he's doing and make him give you vision...

easier than asking. u ever tried asking people on bnet ANYTHING? let alone explaining something controversial or complicated
express yourself--madonna
karelen
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2407 Posts
January 02 2006 10:38 GMT
#5
old and boring discussion that needs no revival. dumbest thread yet this year
zzzzzz
mitsy
Profile Joined October 2005
United States1792 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-01-02 10:40:15
January 02 2006 10:39 GMT
#6
On January 02 2006 19:38 Sacajawea wrote:
Can we ban stimey yet, PLEASE.

why don't we ban you instead? what have you contributed in the past 3 weeks? everything i've seen from you has been OT, inflammatory, and reflecting no intention in discussing or even reading the topic at hand

On January 02 2006 19:38 karelen wrote:
old and boring discussion that needs no revival. dumbest thread yet this year

old and boring? wtf. when have we seen anyone suggest that hacking is a good thing?
express yourself--madonna
CoralReefer
Profile Joined June 2004
Canada2069 Posts
January 02 2006 10:41 GMT
#7
quit trying to create controversy
And this hot potato has vanished into thin air.
CrownRoyal
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Vatican City State1872 Posts
January 02 2006 10:42 GMT
#8
I sometimes wonder if mitsy makes these threads just to argue.
You're pretty when I'm drunk.
rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
January 02 2006 10:47 GMT
#9
On January 02 2006 19:42 CrownRoyal wrote:
I sometimes wonder if mitsy makes these threads just to argue.


You are one of the brightest people I'v seen on this forum yet.
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
January 02 2006 10:49 GMT
#10
Misty you don't even play bw, all you seem to be doing is trying to project yourself as contributing so you may get moderator status, thats your whole fucking point about being here for some reason. But trust me, that will NEVER happen.
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
Leejungterran
Profile Joined September 2005
Korea (South)572 Posts
January 02 2006 10:51 GMT
#11
ban mitsy plz

that realy STUPID start suject like that .. what you want ? more fag hacker ?

the game should stay legit , and no hack will dont help you .
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
January 02 2006 10:52 GMT
#12
Yes hacking can be good for you for many reasons. So can murder. Whats your point?
We allready know the benefits (seing opponent base)

If your only point is the "use hack gain skill" then I mean, why? If one are that serious, serious enough to use a cheat then one really wouldn't need the cheat would one?

Of course you gain skill by playing games, whith or without hacks. Maybe hack provides a little better learning but i doubt it. Shortcuts sucks when learning, and think about this

1. Your "feeling" could get worse.
2. Your nerves and offline skills would take damage

And also, if you accept it as a way of training, then why not use it all the time? Equally bad. The only thing of value in your post was the thought "you migh improve more", that might be true, but who cares?

"i actually recommend map hacking" lol quit trying to create controversy as ml1710 said.

Freezer_au
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Australia1461 Posts
January 02 2006 10:53 GMT
#13
Mitsy actually brings up some points that are interesting. I see hacking as evil and a way to not only cheat your opponent but also yourself. But it cannot be denied that a number of succesfull players got to where they are now with the aid of hacks.
Zeller
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States1109 Posts
January 02 2006 10:53 GMT
#14
i see your point .. but its unfair to the people you play...and then to take it further what if we all agreed that this is a good way to improve, and we have hackers playing hackers..?
Last.Epic , Epic[LighT]
NewbSaibot
Profile Joined May 2004
3849 Posts
January 02 2006 10:55 GMT
#15
On January 02 2006 19:41 ml1710 wrote:
quit trying to create controversy
I went to the chippy last night and only orderd chips because I knew I could get fish from her bushy plate.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
January 02 2006 10:56 GMT
#16
i can seeing it being an ok learning tool, but i disagree with hiding it.
the only acceptable use to me would be between 2 training partners, or a group of close-knit players
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
Freezer_au
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Australia1461 Posts
January 02 2006 11:01 GMT
#17
http://www.wgtour.com/member.php?datab=broodwar&id=210350

This guy is proud and honest!
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 02 2006 11:02 GMT
#18
On January 02 2006 19:56 CTStalker wrote:
i can seeing it being an ok learning tool, but i disagree with hiding it.
the only acceptable use to me would be between 2 training partners, or a group of close-knit players

agreed, not just anyone, but your mates
thank god for pgt --;;
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
d4d
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland1066 Posts
January 02 2006 11:03 GMT
#19
full of shit
luck is not a factor
TL+ Member
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
January 02 2006 11:03 GMT
#20
On January 02 2006 19:38 Sacajawea wrote:
Can we ban stimey yet, PLEASE.


For the love of god, yes...
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
14:00
Bracket Day 2 - Final
LiquipediaDiscussion
FEL
09:00
Cracow 2025
Clem vs SKillousLIVE!
Reynor vs Lambo
RotterdaM3029
ComeBackTV 1584
IndyStarCraft 530
WardiTV347
CranKy Ducklings198
Rex149
3DClanTV 74
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 3029
IndyStarCraft 530
Rex 149
BRAT_OK 53
MindelVK 46
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 42475
EffOrt 1946
Barracks 1369
Larva 1110
BeSt 546
Stork 528
firebathero 412
Nal_rA 328
Soulkey 209
Dewaltoss 159
[ Show more ]
Rush 151
Hyun 108
Shine 94
Sharp 91
sorry 87
Movie 86
Shinee 55
sSak 43
Sea.KH 39
Free 33
zelot 27
yabsab 20
Terrorterran 13
IntoTheRainbow 8
Dota 2
Gorgc6331
qojqva3599
420jenkins442
XcaliburYe402
Counter-Strike
fl0m2976
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor550
Other Games
Beastyqt2035
Hui .385
Fuzer 152
KnowMe119
QueenE73
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV41
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 7
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 54
• Dystopia_ 2
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV761
League of Legends
• Jankos1317
Counter-Strike
• Nemesis1870
Upcoming Events
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2h 17m
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Wardi Open
19h 17m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 18h
WardiTV European League
2 days
Online Event
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
BSL 20 Team Wars
FEL Cracov 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.