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Ignore List: Mattchew Chezinu - does anyone honestly ever read his posts? Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him. And before someone asks, Palmar is town. Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1. ##Vote: syllogism | ||
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On July 17 2012 05:56 Katina wrote: Mafia does stupid things, Palmar does stupid things. Especially when he's Mafia or third party, your reasoning for that is "He can't be that stupid if he's Mafia". Why would you redirect the nuke at marv? I don't like the vote on syllogism right now, especially with your lack of reasoning behind it. You want to shoot Kurumi and redirect a nuke at Marv. Can you elaborate? That's not what I said. I said mafia don't propose things like random lynch day 1. Palmar does stupid things but there's a big difference between claiming to be a king and trying to get a random lynch day 1 (he even made that txt document as well). Wanting to be a king was stupid but it had an agenda behind it and there were benefits for him to do so. Random lynch day 1 has no agenda and will not help him if he's mafia. He knows it's not going to ever happen so what's the point? Just see how people will respond to him is all he's doing. Being a king pushed an agenda for him; especially so since it was a PM game. Day 1 nuke is a Kurumi-esque thing to do, but I've said that before about him when he's mafia. I want the nuke redirected at marvellosity because he's mafia. First, answer yourself a few questions: what has syllogism said this game and about how many posts have you think he's made? Before I voted for him my answers were nothing and about 2. Right now (as far as I can see) he's made 10 posts. These two posts about syllogism should help: On July 16 2012 19:09 syllogism wrote: My thoughts are that I would like to lynch you for this post. This reads like someone wanting to seem like they are contributing, but you are a smart person so you should know there is no reason to post something like this on day 1. You are basically announcing beforehand what you will consider mafia behavior and as town there is little reason to do that as you specifically want mafia to act according to your expectations. On July 17 2012 03:26 syllogism wrote: Why do you "know" that you are an easy target to be "mislynched"? Has this been a common occurrence? Why do you keep mentioning WBG and comparing mattchew's play to his, it's not relevant at all. I agree with mattchew in the sense that some parts of your palmar "case" were weak and perhaps suspiciously so, but at the same time Palmar is clearly 100% trolling so far so he could very well be mafia. I think the only thing about his play that could point towards him being town is the fact he outed sinani's smurf, which isn't very smart to do in this setup if you are mafia as the person whose smurf you are outing may also be mafia. What do you think about meapak's play so far? syllogism said that Probulous should be lynched, yet did nothing to follow up on it (no vote, no elaboration). He jumped shipped to blazinghand when people thought he was suspicious, and now I see he's all onboard the Kurumi wagon. Yes it is important to talk about the main topics in the thread, but the town syllogism I know does not just leave one of his suspects hanging around while accussing whoever the flavor of the hour is. syllogism is mafia and is exhibiting the same behavior that occurred in Responsibility Mafia (where he was mafia). I was drawn towards him immediately because I got the same vibe I did from that game. At the heart of his mafia play that game (and this game) is an abundance of question-talking and general advice about the game that serves no purpose. The biggest reason I found him suspicious in Responsibility Mafia was because his posts served zero purpose for the town. Take a look at this one post he made as mafia: On December 20 2011 23:38 syllogism wrote: Bum I've read your post several times and I still don't understand what you are trying to say. It's very likely that if there are "triggers" in the game, they aren't arbitrary but as the theme suggests punish only bad play. Of course mafia roles might follow different rules, but lynching someone based on your guesses is awful. Asking questions is normal town play and is a null tell unless we later gain information that provides an alternative motivation for them. There is no need to play any differently than you normally do and in fact you shouldn't as that will only make it more difficult to potentially establish your innocence. The main interest in this post is his last sentence, "there is no need to play any differently...". Is what he saying true? Yes. Is it helpful to the town? No of course not. This is what syllogism does when he's mafia: he spews around advice like that to try to look helpful and pro-town. And also when reading this post you can see how he managed to type 5 lines but didn't really say all that much. It boiled down to, "bum I don't understand you". The rest is just blabble. It reads so similar to his filter this game (especially the posts I quoted above). Also compare to another post he's made this game: On July 17 2012 02:32 syllogism wrote: I don't support it and I was more interested in seeing how others would react to it. Even if I agreed that it was a good idea, there was about 0% chance of the majority actually agreeing to it. Regardless, did you expect me to agree? Mafia don't know who other mafia are, so they don't have the usual advantage of being able to control which alignment gets lynched in this format, especially on day 1. And again you can see how he writes the advice that everyone knows at the end of his post. And again you can see how he manages to say nothing yet still produce words. I would like to reiterate the point that he's asking a lot of questions. This is easy enough to see from his filter. And it's also easy enough to see how he did it in Responsibility Mafia (just check his filter). Of course, asking questions in itself isn't suspicious. The point is is that he does it when he's mafia and the manner is exactly the same. | ||
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##Unvote: syllogism ##Vote: Kurumi On July 17 2012 06:52 Kurumi wrote: I will say it again: If I were mafia, when I got this message there should be someone crumbing those words earlier. I was the first person to do that. Why would a Director/CEO NOT do that? Meh. Pretty sure the point is that you had no reason to do so if you are town. But hey I haven't really read the past 5 pages cause it's so spammy. | ||
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On July 17 2012 14:50 gonzaw wrote: About Palmars RL thingy: Wait, Palmar tried to follow RL in iGrok's game yes (austin mentioned this I think)....but he was scum that game I'm so fucking surprised at Mattchew and Foolishness that they assumed Palmar was town in that game and posted his RL thing with good intentions in mind...when he didn't.....because he was scum. I'm more surprised at Mattchew for using it as evidence to shit on Katina. I would have thought a townie would check something twice if they'll use it as evidence someone else is scum. I'll recheck Mattchew tomorrow, but I see him not caring about shit and posting sporadically, plus his first attack on Katina screamed of "picking an easy target". About Palmar himself, he did that RL thing in iGrok's game and he was scum. I don't see him doing shit this game, it's likely he's scum as well. However I don't know if he'd risk using his RL site thing 2 times in a row as scum both times, it seems obvious to me that someone would notice the similarity (I'm baffled how nobody noticed it to be honest, specially people that played in that game too, like VE and MZ). I wouldn't mind lynching him, he's not doing shit and that seems to be his scum meta these days. The issue is that it's still too early to tell with Palmar, but as I said I think he's town. I hadn't realized that he did that as mafia and as town when I said that. If you want something more concrete, when Palmar is mafia his average post length is longer than when he's town. I used iGrok's and BC's game as comparison (even though Palmar was 3rd party in BC's game he was effectively town). BC's game he one liners his way to victory with the occasional two paragraph post. In iGrok's game the two paragraph post comes out every few posts or so. What's he done so far this game? One liners. If you want something even more concrete, wait until like day 3. If his filter is 3 pages, then he's scum, if it's greater than 6 pages he's town. That's the failsafe "is Palmar mafia?" proof. | ||
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##Unvote: Kurumi ##Vote: syllogism Also forgot to mention a few things. syllogism I pointed out that you weren't defending yourself because quite a few people were pointing fingers at you and you basically just ignored them all or cast them aside. I give you some benefit of the doubt cause I ignore people when they stupidly accuse me as well, but it definitely did not seem appropriate to just hand wave everyone away at the time. Regardless this is not the crux of my argument nor is it really even necessary at this point to elaborate further on it. To bugs, I'm pretty sure Katina is town. Can't really say I agree with her on her reads, but she's making more than 2 posts a cycle and genuinely shows an interest. | ||
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On July 17 2012 15:32 sandroba wrote: People let me make something clear. There is NO case on syllo so far. We are not lynching him this early period. You all will be able to tell 100% if syllo is town or scum by day 3-4. I really don't understand how so many people can be so sure he is scum at this point, it's like something that build up momentum out of the blue with no real evidence behind it. We need to confirm that RoL actually nuked kurumi and if he did we lynch either BH or laya, I'm cool with both. Nuke going off isn't confirmation enough? And if I can tell syllogism is mafia now why should I wait? I figured out he was mafia in Responsibility before I died (and I died night 2 that game I believe). | ||
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On July 17 2012 15:29 wherebugsgo wrote: How would you advise me about reading VE? Click his filter, click his filter from a game where he's mafia and a game where he's town? Then do one of those compare/contrast things teachers seem to be so crazy about. Honestly what do you want me to say? I played in more games with VE before he was good I don't know what to say about him. I remember posting an analysis against someone and writing at the top "Attention: if your name is VisceraEyes please skip this section because it's all about meta, which you claim holds no ground in finding mafia". I guess thinking back I cannot recall a single post he's made this game that wasn't I LOVE YOU BLAZINGHAND.... | ||
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On July 17 2012 15:48 sandroba wrote: Because I can't tell that yet and despite knowing that you are pretty accurate on average I can't tell if you are town yet either. You normally are very thorough and detailed in your cases, making the reasoning you believe someone is mafia very clear to anyone who reads it. Your case on syllo however is very much grasping at straws so far and failed to convince me. It can be basically summed up as he prodded someone in the very begging of the game and didn't follow up. He asked questions. He didn't bother defending himself (defense of yourself in mafia actually serves very little purpose imo). None of those things are pointing to one alignment or the other, so really what is your case? I don't know what me being mafia has anything to do with it. Do we need another jubjub to step in and say "mafia don't know each other so they have an incentive to find other mafia"? Yes I'm a bit bitter at the moment. He prodded two people so far and hasn't followed up anywhere. Instead he's been spending his time responding to my posts (not an issue) and downplaying all of Katina's posts (is an issue). The case is built upon the similarity to Responsibility Mafia, where he played a passive game and put jibber jabber in most of his posts. The question asking is more pronounced and noticable when he's mafia. And at any rate you certainly aren't convincing me to not lynch him on your "you will know by day 3-4 for sure" argument. Especially when you don't even tell me why I will know by then. Even more so because you make this post: On July 17 2012 06:52 sandroba wrote: Meh I'm getting weird vibes from syllo and I'm leaning scum, but nothing conclusive so far. Don't know about foolishness, even if he is right on syllo his case is not the greatest. I kinda expected him to say something about kurumi too and he just ignored a pretty big deal. I'll give out a more thought out opinion later. And then follow it up with this about 45 min later: On July 17 2012 07:36 sandroba wrote: Nope tomorrow we lynch you =P. You guys lynch syllo day 5 or so if he has not raped all mafia by then =) And then try to further justify it with: On July 17 2012 15:32 sandroba wrote: People let me make something clear. There is NO case on syllo so far. We are not lynching him this early period. You all will be able to tell 100% if syllo is town or scum by day 3-4. I really don't understand how so many people can be so sure he is scum at this point, it's like something that build up momentum out of the blue with no real evidence behind it. We need to confirm that RoL actually nuked kurumi and if he did we lynch either BH or laya, I'm cool with both. Which is just all nice and dandy for a "thought out opinion" that you promised us. | ||
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On July 18 2012 08:50 HiroPro wrote: Where is Foolishness -_- Deciding where to move my vote to. This is chaotic guys. | ||
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On July 18 2012 10:22 austinmcc wrote: I'll give you a hint. It's in my filter. If kurumi flips green, I 100% drop it. If kurumi flips red, I'll continue to think that Sandro's power doesn't exist, that it's a fakeclaim, and that he's scum. I won't be as vocal about it for a while, because clearly that isn't going anywhere. Shouldn't that be the other way around?? | ||
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On July 18 2012 10:25 marvellosity wrote: no Foolishness, don't be silly. Sarcasm? | ||
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On July 18 2012 10:26 austinmcc wrote: If kurumi flips green, then kurumi had no reason to lie about receiving a message. The power exists in some form. If kurumi flips red, then either some form of this power exists, or it doesn't and this is what a bus looks like in this game. I don't see how that relates to sandroba's alignment. If Kurumi flips green then either Kurumi is stupid for going along with the message (most likely), or sandroba is scum and wrote a very convincing message in which case Kurumi was forced to post it anyways (not likely). | ||
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On July 18 2012 14:27 sandroba wrote: Basically your team probably won the game. Gratz. You were the one behind 3 wagons within a 10 hour period. Instead of just staying on syllogism and Blazinghand from the start you and bugs and others had to run around with the votes. Good job. | ||
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On July 18 2012 15:30 wherebugsgo wrote: no one wanted to kill syllo today except you What's your point? So Blazinghand would have gotten lynched anyways, and definitely a lot of people did not have an issue with that. Then you decide to switch to austin. Then you decide to switch to gonzaw. Then you decide to switch back. All in a 10 hour period. You know better than that. | ||
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On July 18 2012 15:35 wherebugsgo wrote: I didn't decide to switch to gonzaw. I wasn't even here when people started calling gonzaw scum. I only switched my vote to ensure there was a lynch. When I saw that gonzaw was still behind I switched back. Here you are pointing fingers when your vote was wasted most of all. Hardly. There were two non-voters (one of which is still alive) and still three people on Austin. And in the grand scheme of things everyone's vote was wasted because nobody got lynched. You can't honestly expect to sit there and pin this on me or anyone else with a "stupid" vote. I know I was gone right after the austin thing came up and didn't come back until just now. You and everyone else here knows that when the votes switch from person to person in the hours before deadline a no-lynch is the usual outcome. It's practically written in the mafia guide. And what I know is that you and sandroba were the initial force behind the austin switch. You might have not been here for the gonzaw switch initially, but juding by the voting thread you were one of the starters on the wagon back towards Blazinghand (you were the first person to vote off of gonzaw onto him). | ||
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It's as risk.nuke says, dumb unorganized town. Anyone who moved their vote around more than twice in the last 8 hours of the day should be held accountable. The strange thing is is that these were all people that know better than to try things like that. On July 18 2012 18:49 syllogism wrote: Katina never came after randomly yelling at people for voting austin. Foolishness do you still think she cares about the game? She's done nothing to say otherwise. | ||
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