SSB-64 Mafia

On July 03 2012 04:02 iGrok wrote:
Item locations may change depending on how the rest of the day goes. If I get some reads I'll switch you in.

On July 03 2012 04:05 HomerunBat wrote:


I would say that stock for mafia is more valuable as they have less in total compared to town.

On July 03 2012 04:15 kingdedede wrote:

Ah, that makes a lot more sense. It's all about the vig shots. While scum kp is also 1, the chance of scum shooting someone who just got lynched is pretty small: why would they bother shooting someone who got lynched (aka: looks scummy)? However, it allows us to vig shoot someone who was lynched and not waste 2 lynches on it. Bringing down everybody's stock sounds like a good idea.

On July 03 2012 04:30 iGrok wrote:
Risen i don't care who you vote for as long as you stand in the right place.

On July 03 2012 05:21 Mister Saturn wrote:


Because it's super smash brothers. 3 stock is standard.

- Hiro

On July 03 2012 05:22 iGrok wrote:

As the guy who made the game, I'll tell you why.

A) Starting stock was going to be an integer
B) 2 Stock leads to games that are too fast
C) 4 Stock leads to games that are too long

On July 03 2012 05:37 iGrok wrote:
CLICK FOR CANDY

And jesus its not a fucking "DO THIS TO WIN AS TOWN" plan, that doesn't exist. Its a "DO THIS TO MITIGATE SCUM ADVANTAGE BY CONFUSION" plan, because in SSB64, Town has a built-in balance advantage if they can avoid confusion and limit info scum has that town does not. And you seem to be doing your best to add to the confusion. So what conclusions should we draw from that?

On July 03 2012 05:47 Cephiro wrote:
I'll be sending my actions, which will be STAGE: Left, and ITEM: Top Middle, as requested by iGrok, in 10 minutes.

I like that Risen is being critical to what iGrok is pushing, but for what reasons?
Why is it better to spread ourselves than all be at the same spot? It all comes down to randomness, and if we do it "by list", then there is nothing to go by from. I'd say iGrok's decision of putting all players on the same stage event tells us much more than just going by list, which would tell us nothing.

So Risen, is there an absolute reason why you do not want to stand on left like most (if not everyone else) of us?

I'll give though that I do not entirely agree with iGrok's reasoning of reducing the action count, as it does possibly the same for scum also.

For now though, I do not see cons that outweigh the pros.

On July 03 2012 06:02 Mister Saturn wrote:
mm, I'm curious. What made you pick Risen over grush to sit out items, iGrok? And why have talismania sit out? He may have volunteered, but thinking about it, if you didn't have any leaning scum reads (which is what it looks like, since you picked a non-poster and a volunteer), wouldn't it have been better to simply put two people who weren't doing anything?

- Hiro

On July 03 2012 06:13 Cephiro wrote:


1) It gives us insight on iGrok's thoughts. (He made a very neutral/safe choice, punishing everyone or no-one, not grouping people yet, which he however IS doing in his item picks/sit-outs. He also gave a valid reasoning, it may not necessarily be the optimal choice, but I haven't seen anyone else give a better idea yet.)
2) The reactions of the players on iGrok's choices. (For example, you insist on not going left with everyone, which you haven't given a valid reason for. Or talismania willing to sit-out, even though there is no risk of a fight [Stock loss] if people follow the plan.)

So tell me, have a better idea? For now all I am seeing is that you are saying you are not going to follow the plan. (Which you say is because this gives us no information, which is false.) And in your latest posts you were thinking of dividing by the list. (Which doesn't give us any information at all.)

I can say it's not much, but it's better than nothing, and we need something to get the scumhunting started. If you're still going to go against the plan without either a) Giving a better idea or b) Giving proper reasoning, then you're certainly not looking good in my eyes.

On July 03 2012 06:17 Cephiro wrote:


How about you answer the questions properly and start playing the game instead of toying around? Or is it because you have no answer? For all I see you are just casting shit on iGrok's idea, but you are providing absolutely nothing useful yourself.

If you think I am scum for supporting his current stance more than yours, you're retarded. Start doing stuff that benefits the town instead of casting shit on the content others provide, when you provide nothing yourself.