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On June 20 2012 12:36 Probulous wrote: /in. Replacement is for whimps. Bugs to the rescue! Snarfie mac snarfs, I expect us to finally be townies together, and I expect that luck number 7 will be my first win. I am setting up preparations for the victory celebration. Humming this is just so much fun This is C9++ setup no? Haha sounds good man, love the song too :D. Let's crush some scum! | ||
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On June 21 2012 02:11 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm going to continue accepting signups for 24 hours, and then I'll take 13 players randomly out of the signup pool. The remaining will be made replacements. The game will then start at 22:00 GMT (+00:00) tomorrow (29 hours from now, roughly) If you end up a replacement and don't want to be, make sure you let me know. If I get drawn as a replacement and you still need a cohost, I'd rather do that  . Just let me know! | ||
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On June 21 2012 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote: I exit class at 19:30 GMT (+00:00) so when I enter the thread then I'll assign roles and send PMs. f5f5f5f5f5f5 | ||
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Edit: Screw it! I'm gonna go play soccer! | ||
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Let's lynch Probulous so that we immediately know which team is going to lose, then whoever is on that team can just forfeit and we all save a ton of time! ##Vote Probulous! | ||
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On June 22 2012 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I prefer to have a reason for my policy lynches...such as lurking or lying. However even then, I have to have a lack of scum candidates before I'll even consider it. Snarfs......that's ingenious. But if he's town, I'd wouldn't want to forfeit because I want to try and give the poor guy a win. Therefor, I'd rather wait to see if I think he's scum first. Ahh right, pity. I forgot about that human emotion. I suppose I can give some time to be awake... ##Unvote | ||
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On June 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote: I want MrZentor dead. Care to explain this statement, good sir? | ||
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Oh scratch this, I see it was just in response to MrZentor anticipating you coming in here and wanting him dead  | ||
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On June 22 2012 08:25 slOosh wrote: Could you guys please cut back on the chatter / one liners? It may be harmless now but later on its really going to hamper thread legibility. I think millers should auto claim (cf. WBG's Emergency Mini Mafia) I think masons should auto claim (cf. WBG's 1st C9++) I didn't like Zentor's play (cf. Hesmyrr's SoaF) but I don't know how he currently is so I'll leave it at that. I think Snarfs is suspicious for taking prplhz too seriously. Did you not find the tone of this post very serious: On June 22 2012 07:41 prplhz wrote: Okay whatever the fuck. I joined this game because I thought zentor had outed by meh. zentor is the default lynch for today because he's an unpleasant person just to have around. In case we don't find anything better then he should die just because of how destructive he is when he's town. I played with it once and I don't want to play with it again. ##Vote: MrZentor ? | ||
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On June 22 2012 08:41 Zephirdd wrote: This is a semi-closed setup. If there are 13 players, it's possible that 12 are medics and 1 is a scum. Of course that's retarded as fuck, but nothing is concrete and we shouldn't think "but it's not common to 2 of X" exist ever. at all. In fact, we can't even confirm the existence of a SK until after the night phase. I'm not sure about Millers instaclaiming. While it clears path for cops(as it's pretty obvious that they will show red), it also reduces the number of possible blues, making it easier for scum. At least what I understood from the setup is that Millers can't be blues. If anything, Millers should be breadcrumbing and claiming in case a cop calls them guilty. For all other purposes, they should be *Vanilla*(unclaimed, aka. possible blue) to make it harder for mafia to shoot into blues. I find this post entirely underwhelming zephir. You have basically reiterated what Probulous and slOosh already pointed out, then proceed to suggest something completely asinine (millers breadcrumbing). Do you have nothing else in the thread to comment on? | ||
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I'm actually interested in hearing marv explain exactly what his little shitstorm has revealed: On June 22 2012 10:24 marvellosity wrote: Depends what you classify as a mistake, really. I'm not really unhappy with the conversation it's caused. I'll call it a mistake if I get lynched, which shouldn't happen Apparently it's given him some useful information and I wouldn't mind hearing what exactly he thinks that is. For now, I'll reserve judgement. As for the question asked of marv itself, I'm not entirely sure I understood the purpose. Mattchew, you claim that you had hoped that marv would write down some things that he does as mafia so that you can hold him accountable, yet it just appears as though the most likely thing that will happen is, if marv is scum, he will become more cognisant of his flaws as mafia and be more likely to attempt to avoid them. It seems like you didn't fully think that question through. Just trying to fit in by posting stuff? slOosh, I'm not sure how you think me pointing out people not contributing to finding scum (i.e. doing scummy things), is, in itself, not contributing. zephir still hasn't commented on anything in the thread of importance and I may continue pestering him until he does. zephirdd: Let's just drop the "optimal play" argument until postgame and maybe reach a gentleman's agreement that for this game millers must claim by the 24 hour mark of day 1. We have seen this work in the past and this absolutely prevents mafia from trying to claim that a red check is due to them being a miller later on. As far as blue-sniping being a problem: Check out the last wbg mini. VE was a claimed miller and he played so damn townie that the scum team I was on had to shoot him over attempting a blue snipe. Moral: If you're a miller, claim then play a damn good town game. Now, thoughts on scum? | ||
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On June 22 2012 20:39 Shraft wrote: I'm not fine with lynching marvellosity at the moment. From what I gather, he is a good player and the case against him consists mainly of meta and him not responsing straight to Mattchew's question. I agree that it's a bit scummy, but not enough to warrant lynching a good player. I'd rather lynch someone like rastaban: His post a huge ball of fluff. The miller issue has already been argued to death, and everyone except Zephirdd agrees that millers should claim during D1. The second section consists of him arguing that it's dumb to tunnel players (marv in particular). In the end of it he says "Remember we have 48 hours, half that time hasn't even passed yet so I don't like the band wagoning on Marv so quickly." which initially makes him appear pro-town, but in reality it's just bullshit. What do you mean with the band-wagoning on marv going quickly? He just had 3 votes on him by the time you were writing this (2 now) and the only guys who seems very intent on lynching him is VE and Probulous (risk's vote looked more like a pressure vote). I mainly see scum posting unnecessary advice like this where they encourage everyone to be calm and collected when voting and not to rush things, especially when there isn't even any real bandwagoning going on. I agree, this post is very scummy. Also notice how the general feeling of the second paragraph is that we should back off marv a bit so that we can get some better reads and not waste the entire 48 hours, but then the third paragraph is him coming right back to marv and pushing him? Now, granted he does appear to be trying to ask more "nicely", but why not try focusing on someone else if you feel too much time is being wasted on marv? Pre-Edit: Noticed rastaban has posted a "case" on risk.nuke after slOosh also commented on his post. I really don't like rastaban's case as it is quite exaggerated. It feels to me as it was a quick case he made as he noticed he was getting flak for not commenting on anyone besides marv. risk.nuke's actions have been quite clear as marv and shraft explained here: [click] On June 22 2012 20:43 Shraft wrote: EBWOP: @Snarfs What do you mean On June 22 2012 20:44 marvellosity wrote: Well, in WoF he self-voted at least twice and basically actively tried to get himself lynched as a townie. From there the only way is up. Pretty much this. Unfortunately, being mafia in the last game I had a bit of a biased perspective of Zentor and naturally couldn't help but try to justify his actions from a town point of view. I didn't like how Artanis's reasoning for thinking he was town was that he wasn't trying to act townie (basically implying that all scum try to blend in) since if Zentor knows that, he can just act like he doesn't give a crap as scum. Unfortunately, I think he does know this and probably plays very similar as both town and scum because of it. I'd be absolutely okay with Zentor lynch, as I'm starting to see prplhz's point about him being perpetually null. He'll probably refuse to show any analysis unless absolutely pushed to do it and I'm pretty certain scum won't kill him for us. I don't think we should lynch marv today. He's been attacked the entire day and hasn't had a chance to do anything but react to other people's pressure. People I'd be fine lynching today, at this point: rastaban, MrZentor. I think rastaban is more likely scum so that's where my vote is going. ##Vote rastaban Why MrZentor and not risk.nuke given they both have a similar playstyle? Because, MrZentor has shown in the past, that as town he is capable of actually making towny posts, yet refused to do so his last town game which looked very similar to his most recent scum game: [towny post] risk.nuke is risk.nuke. Also, I'm still waiting for Mattchew to come back and explain this: On June 22 2012 15:23 Snarfs wrote: Mattchew, you claim that you had hoped that marv would write down some things that he does as mafia so that you can hold him accountable, yet it just appears as though the most likely thing that will happen is, if marv is scum, he will become more cognisant of his flaws as mafia and be more likely to attempt to avoid them. It seems like you didn't fully think that question through. | ||
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On June 23 2012 03:08 rastaban wrote: Wow, really surprised no one sees the vote switching without any reason at all not scummy. My case is misconstrued as "risk.nuke has not yet posted anything of value." That would be a case against Also I never saw Sloosh's post as it took me far longer than 30 minutes to work up a case against risk. You know why ,because I don't throw accusations around wildly until I have convinced myself. Last game as a doctor I had no gun and so I had to mafia reads and a town read but since it was my first game in a year and I was afraid that without a gun if I pushed too hard they would want me to shoot and out my role. Well no one seemed to care about my cases but me but in the end I was correct. Day 1 of Bang Bang I posted this: "Meapak_Ziphh, your filter looked really bad last night tons of filler and no posts contributing to discussion, but you seem to be posting more like your normal self today. Mind explaining what was going on?" I actually had an entire case typed up like I just did for risk and yet I decided to go easy and let him slide, well guess what he was GF. If I had pushed for him like I thought I should have day 1 we might have outed GF immediately. This game I am trying something different since I don't worry about having a gun, I am going to push my scum reads and try and save my town reads. If I get lynched for that, at least town gets a trail votes to follow that led up to it. Sorry but this is so similar to bang bang's Gonzaw fiasco where everyone clamored about him being red while I thought the case against him was awful, he gets shot flips blue and since it was almost all townies pushing the lynch we started the next day clueless as to where to begin which is why I had to post the Cephiro case linked above to begin with. So yeah, I stand by thinking risk is our best candidate and want him lynched. I am putting forward someone who is actually scummy instead of the marv case where half of it is based on his reaction to a leading question. Why risk.nuke and not MrZentor? Can you demonstrate the differences you see which makes risk.nuke the more likely scum, in your opinion? Because I feel they have played a similar game up until now. | ||
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On June 23 2012 03:47 rastaban wrote: When I review MrZentor I see someone who hasn't contributed much, which, while scummy, isn't enough to lynch yet in my opinion.,Especially when he commits to delivering something tomorrow. I have seen players like Foolishness say the same thing so I am inclined to give him till tomorrow before I make my Judgment on him. I feel like Nuke hasn't just been a null, like MrZentor, by not contributing, but that his actions further scum agendas. There are legitimate reasons a town player may not contribute day 1, but I can't find legitimate town reasons for Risks actions. His "lol, ok #1 scum response ##Vote: marvellosity" Seems like such a cop out to get a vote on marv, instead of finding for a reason himself or even investigating it. It is the combination of not contributing but still trying to push a lynch that I find very questionable and seperated him from MrZ. What does town gain by him voting Klaust later, but not mentioning why he is doing it? The huge time gap, is so strange as well. I can see not being caught up and posting a quick one liner, but to be aware enough that one of the players still needs to post, to take your vote off someone you said was scummy, and yet not take even a moment to say something seems strange to me. I would like to hear from him on these actions and why he did it, maybe I am missing something but I feel that his actions make him extremely suspicious. This honestly seems like standard risk.nuke play. I wouldn't call it a scum tell to come in and vote with no or little reasoning - it draws way too much attention. On the flip side though, it is that type of behaviour which scum often attempt to pick up on and make a case out of. Hence why I, and a couple others, find your case scummy. | ||
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On June 23 2012 06:00 slOosh wrote: No, that's not quite it. Something about his approach seems off. I'll clarify after giving people some opportunity to contribute on this point. Aside from that, compare his filter to mine, taking note of timestamps. Notice something? Where exactly are you going with this, slOosh? If you could be more clear I could address your concerns. | ||
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On June 23 2012 06:11 slOosh wrote: Oh hey Snarfs, you are here! Could you explain to me why rastaban is specifically scummy rather than a poor town player? I'm actually still trying to figure out if he's just a poor town player. Hence my engagement with him in dialogue. My thoughts so far on his opening post and his case are here: On June 23 2012 02:36 Snarfs wrote: Also notice how the general feeling of the second paragraph is that we should back off marv a bit so that we can get some better reads and not waste the entire 48 hours, but then the third paragraph is him coming right back to marv and pushing him? Now, granted he does appear to be trying to ask more "nicely", but why not try focusing on someone else if you feel too much time is being wasted on marv? Pre-Edit: Noticed rastaban has posted a "case" on risk.nuke after slOosh also commented on his post. I really don't like rastaban's case as it is quite exaggerated. It feels to me as it was a quick case he made as he noticed he was getting flak for not commenting on anyone besides marv. risk.nuke's actions have been quite clear as marv and shraft explained here: [click] On June 23 2012 06:03 Snarfs wrote: This honestly seems like standard risk.nuke play. I wouldn't call it a scum tell to come in and vote with no or little reasoning - it draws way too much attention. On the flip side though, it is that type of behaviour which scum often attempt to pick up on and make a case out of. Hence why I, and a couple others, find your case scummy. | ||
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On June 23 2012 07:05 slOosh wrote: Hrrmph. Alright I'll just lay out my suspicions. I wanted to hit two birds with one stone by getting reads on other people via their opinions on the matter (since I have too many null reads). Dear townspeople: step it up. If you are blue then scum know it and will snipe you, and we think you are scum and mislynch you. That's the only explanation I can think of at the appalling lack of effort by most of town right now. Anyway, here are my Snarf This is a terrible reason not to lynch someone. You don't lynch someone only if there is a scummier candidate or if he looks town. Snarf's reasoning why we shouldn't lynch marv is that he has been busy defending himself. He didn't say "there isn't enough here to lynch marv" - he said "I don't think we should lynch marv today", and this is before even the D1 halfway mark. The reason and the conclusion does not match. And when things like that don't match it indicates anti-town agenda. I guess you're right. I should have said that I don't think marv should be the lynch currently as he hasn't had a chance to do anything but react to other people's pressure. People can react similarly to being constantly grilled whether they're town or scum and I want to give marv an opportunity to post where he isn't under constant pressure. Snarfs fricken doctored his own quotes in the post above me. The heck make sure you see this. I cut out the parts of my quotes I thought were irrelevant... The part you just quoted does not show any of my reasoning and you asked for my reasoning. Please don't misrepresent me like this. He isn't considering that rastaban could be bad town or scum - he makes it very clear that he originally thought he was scum, and now that I've called him out on why, he backtracks and says he is debating, when it is clear that his words say otherwise. Again, a mismatch of words and actions. Where have I said that rastaban is most certainly scum? I said that he has made some scummy posts and that he was my strongest scum read. Then I proceeded to vote him and question how he came up with the posts that he did in order to determine if he came up with them from a town point of view or a scum mindset. I still have plenty of time to figure out if he's scum and I'm not afraid to change my vote if I change my mind and decide that someone else is more likely scum than rastaban. He says here he will reserve judgement. However, this post precedes the quote that I used in point one. Again, his actions and words misalign. He reserves judgement on the basis of he wants to hear what marv's reads / conclusions from the scrap he had were. That's fine. Yet when he says we shouldn't lynch marv, it isn't because marv's findings were legit / useful. It's because he has been "under attack", and portrays marv as a victim. Contradictions. I'm still not sure what to make sure of the whole marv / VE interaction and imo they could both very well be town going at each other. Neither seems afraid to speak their mind or be the centre of controversy, which is why I suggested giving marv some breathing room. In case you missed it, marv actually rescinded his comment about gaining a bunch of useful information from the interaction. He said that if he could go back he actually would have just answered the question promptly from the beginning. On top of that there's some blatant plagiarism, which is a cheap way to look like you are contributing without actually doing so. Blatant plagiarism is a bit of a stretch, slOosh. I went through the thread this morning and as I read posts I copied down my thoughts into a separate window. When I saw that you pointed out something similar, my first instinct wasn't to go back and erase what I'd already written. | ||
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