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Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
June 26 2012 22:39 GMT
#111
/in
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
June 30 2012 04:39 GMT
#263
Hi! I'm here!

Okay so far looking at the thread I agree with the FOS that has been pointed towards BroodKingEXE. If he's on VE's radar already that it's worth looking at. I read through BKE's filter and noticed that he spends a lot of time talking about noobs and what it means to be a noob, and policy lynching lurkers day one. The stuff he says is something anyone can say and it appears as if he's just trying to blend in.

I'm going to put my vote on him for now.

##Vote BroodKingEXE
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
June 30 2012 22:00 GMT
#407
Okay, I just finished reading through the thread.

Casualman has caught my attenion with his phase 2 talk as he called his self vote. I'm curious to see more from him and find out what he has to say at a later.

I still find BKE suspicious for the reasons that have been stated. He seems more interested in defending his lack of noobiness then helping the town.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 01 2012 00:36 GMT
#422
Because trends are trendy!

So far you have accused mkmk of being scum and defending BKE. What are your reasonings to thinking that BKE is town? Do you have any other reads?
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 01 2012 16:31 GMT
#482
Okay, let's get some clarification here:

On July 01 2012 12:26 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Guys, Im up for lynching Kat.

Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 13:39 Katina wrote:
Hi! I'm here!

Okay so far looking at the thread I agree with the FOS that has been pointed towards BroodKingEXE. If he's on VE's radar already that it's worth looking at. I read through BKE's filter and noticed that he spends a lot of time talking about noobs and what it means to be a noob, and policy lynching lurkers day one. The stuff he says is something anyone can say and it appears as if he's just trying to blend in.

I'm going to put my vote on him for now.

##Vote BroodKingEXE


The justification of Kat voting for me is: VE and Im trying to blend in. Hiding behind VE’s accusation is a way for her when the vote goes bad and make herself look better to anybody else who views VE as a likely town. Im trying to blend in? Lots of other people are blending in, I got a list of lurkers in my notes to prove it. If I was Mafia wouldn’t it make more sense to wait and post later or not at all to blend in?

Next Post Falls in with the Casual and BKE crowd interestingly the only two major candidates up at the time.

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On July 01 2012 09:36 Katina wrote:
Because trends are trendy!

So far you have accused mkmk of being scum and defending BKE. What are your reasonings to thinking that BKE is town? Do you have any other reads?


Yo, what?! You want us to continue a losing trend? You’re basically saying you support Day1 bandwagons on townies. So far you have provided zip evidence for you vote for me, much less info on the rest of the town.


I'm not hiding behind anything. I am ready to take full responisbility for my actions if things go wrong. I have played in enough games with VE to get a good town read on him so far this game. Until I see something that proves my read on him wrong.

No it wouldn't make sense to do so. So when things go wrong you can hide behind the fact that you have posts and are trying to "help" the town. Mafia do may different things from attacking each other in thread to lurking to leading the town.

No I don't want to continue a losing trend. Don't take what I'm saying out of context. It was clearly sarcasm.

I provide as much evidence as I can get day one. I can add attacking your attacker to the list of evidence as well. If there is something you wish to no then please feel free to ask. I will tell you whatever you want to know.

On July 01 2012 23:47 Acrofales wrote:




Regarding Katina. I feel Katina is a bit like Mattchew this game. Both are rather good players and neither have put any effort at all into playing. Both of them should be clearer reads when they start posting. Atm I'm null on Katina: she reads like someone who has put no effort at all into reading the thread, sheeped VE and went afk again. This could be scum, but could also be a lazy/busy townie who is putting no effort into the game and sheeps a veteran. Seems like a bad lynch candidate atm.


I have been busy this weekend and I'm trying my best to get in and post when I can.

I'm not sheeping VE. I found what he had to say about BKE was interesting. After looking over his filter for myself I got suspicious and posted against him. I think that agreeing with another player is a bad reason to think someone is suspicious.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 01 2012 22:30 GMT
#574
On July 02 2012 06:31 EchelonTee wrote:
Mattchew, adam, ve, katina; is the mK lynch good to you? Something feels a bit fishy; I need reassurance or a cold slap in the face. We narrowly have time for a mass switch; only other option I see as feasible and good is a BM lynch.


I don't like the mkmk lynch. I think that it happened all too easily. I don't think he's scummy enough to feel comfortable to lynch D1. There are other good candidates we should be focusing on like BKE or casualman. The general rule with BM is if he is causing chaos in the thread than he's town. So far he swearing and yelling at people and calling people out on their crap. There's more reason to think BM is town than Mafia. It reminds me of when people kept killing VE because he's VE.

I would sooner lynch BKE or casualman than BM.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 02 2012 19:17 GMT
#831
You guys post too much and make lots of pages for me to read when I get on!!!

I was surprised to see that the mkmk lynch didn't go through. Good idea. But to lynch Fox. Bad Idea.

@ NoSmurf: I love your random list of people to kill without providing any explanation to why. Then your response to Mattchew was just darling. I'm geting a scum vibe from you. Don't you think if you were town then you would more than happy to provide information to your list?

BKE is still scummy to me.

I'm getting a town vibe from Mattchew.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 02 2012 23:40 GMT
#892
On July 03 2012 07:56 Twelve wrote:
I just honestly think im gonna get killed tonight because of how hard I was hounding BKE, who i still think is scum. NoSmurfsHere defends BKE multiple times, and ultimately is the one who started the foxtrotter bandwagon. His post seems EXTREMLY suspicious given what we know to be true now.

Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 09:08 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Alright, here's the thing:

If mK comes back to vote he's 100% scum. I'm banking on him getting modkilled to even consider this a decent idea. Probably a stupid idea, but w/e. I don't like the BKE lynch and the only reasonable alternative now is foxtrotter.

I say that (particularly if fox flips town) we need to get a vig to shoot mK.

##unvote
##vote Foxtrotter




Bright side: We will have a direction and know who to lynch when day comes.

Whoever dies tonight, we need to go back and look through their filter.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 03 2012 18:16 GMT
#1058
Hi guys, today is my birthday so I won't be around until later. I haven't read the thread yet I will do that as soon as I get home. Just thought I would let you guys know.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 04 2012 01:32 GMT
#1148
Alright, I am back!

I see there has been a lot of talk about me today and I'm sorry I haven't been here to defend myself. There was so much I don't even know where to start. I noticed that there has been talk about my meta and that I haven't been digging much into reads and filters. In a big game like this there are so many people that I'm looking at, I just post my vibes for now until I see more from each player.

I'm going to get make my case now on a worthy subject and I will post it as soon as I am done.

To the batcave!!!
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 04 2012 02:46 GMT
#1155
Alright: casualman is Mafia. He has gone after five people with close to no reason for it. He doesn't have any post that say much and are worthless. His posts consist of one lines saying who he thinks we should lynch.

On July 03 2012 09:10 casualman wrote:
lynch drwiggles


On July 03 2012 11:33 casualman wrote:
guys lynch visceraeyes


What's interesting about this is he later agrees with VE's point about Vivax being scummy. He definetly has a lot of changes of heart. It reminds me of a spoiled kid that makes his parents buy him toys that he never wants.

On July 03 2012 11:52 casualman wrote:
you are just slipping incredibly much.

i don't have to defend myself because i'm obviously town.


Here he uses the BM defense "I'm obviously town so don't even think about killing me" BM loves to play that card when he is Mafia.

I'm going to vote for casualman to see if he wants to come out and play

##Vote: casualman

Now for Mandalor:

I challenge you all to read his filter and ask yourself "What has he done this game?" The disturbing thing about his filter is after reading it when I tried to remember what he talked about. I couldn't think of anything. He has posts, yes but they are almost worthless.

In his filter he has a lot against Mattchew. Or does he? Recently he said he wanted to kill him however if you look at his filter closely he never gives reasoning behind it. He will talk about Mattchew's posts but never directly call him Mafia. Lookie:
On July 02 2012 06:57 Mandalor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 06:51 Mattchew wrote:
On July 02 2012 06:45 Mandalor wrote:
On July 02 2012 06:25 Mattchew wrote:
On July 02 2012 06:23 Mandalor wrote:
I said I didn't catch up to the thread. That implies I've read parts of it. Whether that's 10 pages or 14 or 8 is irrelevant I think? I didn't know that was important. There are several people that voted and changed their mind during the course of day1. I didn't change my mind, although I'm not at all sure about BKE, but I don't see how that makes me scum.

It means you did not consume all the information available to you before making an opinion. The vote seemed forced out of you by the way the thread was going.


Yeah I voted before reading every page. Guilty of charge. I was afraid of being modkilled and therefore decided to place a vote early. BKE's post in question was early in the thread and it looked suspicious to me. I then decided to read the rest of the thread and I'm up to date now.
So yeah, it was forced. Not forced by anyone in the game tho. Noone implied I was mafia before I voted, so - again - how does that make me scum?

On July 02 2012 06:28 Mattchew wrote:
On July 02 2012 06:19 Mandalor wrote:
On July 02 2012 05:59 Mattchew wrote:
On July 02 2012 05:38 Mandalor wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:17 Mattchew wrote:
Mattchew's People that need to die and why list

3. Mandalor
First post of the game says he hasn't read, but still votes BKE. Cool, I like being scum and trying to blend in by voting the popular candidate too.+ Show Spoiler +

On July 01 2012 01:42 Mandalor wrote:
##VOTE: BKE

I expected this game to start in like a week or sth. I'll promise to catch up with the thread and be more active beginning tomorrow.

Second post, he claims to have caught up, but offers literally no reason for his vote which he still agrees with. Hi scum trying not to be accountable for reads and reasons!
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 01 2012 06:10 Mandalor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 01:46 MajuGarzett wrote:
On July 01 2012 01:42 Mandalor wrote:
##VOTE: BKE

I expected this game to start in like a week or sth. I'll promise to catch up with the thread and be more active beginning tomorrow.

If you're not caught up why did you vote?


I had read the first ten pages and it seemed to be the best option. Haven't changed my mind now that I'vve caught up. It's day1 tho, I don't expect a 100% surefire candidate to pop up this early.

I wont post his whole filter, but he then goes onto explain that he voted and is voting BKE cause he causes trouble for the town early on. Is this the fault of BKE or the fault of those creating the shitstorm around him with little to no reasoning? Voting for someone because they are being highlighted in the thread and because a lot of people yell "he's scum" at him is terrible reasoning. He also says "I ignored the post-analysis option, because - and I repeat - this is Day1. I barely have a case for BKE, but I have to vote." which just encourages more people to vote ignorantly without reason.


Awesome. I love how you blatantly leave out parts of my post so it alligns with what you say. Maybe I should really disregard my anti-post-analytics on day 1 policy, because that reeks of scum.

I'd like to highlight that specific part again for future reference:
Second post, he claims to have caught up, but offers literally no reason for his vote which he still agrees with.


Also you seem to have issues with reading comprehension. I didn't say I didn't read in my first post. I said I didn't catch up, yet. Huge difference (10 pages in my situation). Obviously that only helps your case against me.

Since you're making yourself so important, I guess I'll just do that too. You are now my die-list.

which parts did I leave out.

Did you say that you had read ten pages in that first post? That huge difference is only clarified after someone else called you on it, making it null and void because we have no way of knowing how much you read / didn't read.

Did you offer any reasoning for your vote on BKE in your first 2 posts?

Did you ever offer any reasons why BKE is causing the so-called trouble you are voting him for? Did you every shine light on how he is pushing a mafia agenda or acting scummy or anything about his scum-like behavior? No you just said he's causing trouble.



You left my third post out and decided to summarize and add some nice flavor to it. You know, the whole voting for someone because he was highlighted yadda yadda. I never said or implied any of that. I gave my reasoning in my third post. And you repeat that I voted for BKE with no reason. It's right there. It's fine that you think I'm scum, but you're not helping town by putting words in my mouth. You just join the people that have a case against me and add some lies to it. That's nice, I think I did this in mafia 3.

I gave my reasons in post 3. Nothing to add, really. Here's a link to my filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344514&user=2074

I know the link to your filter extremely well trust me.

You claim that I summarized it too vaguely. Mind telling me your reason other than his disturbance to the thread, why you think BKE is scum or a good lynch? I am just using your own words.
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 01 2012 10:21 Mandalor wrote:

On Day1, I feel like there's only two good options for town.
a) kill a lurker
b) kill a guy that causes trouble just hours into the game

I don't like option a). Playing as mafia is fun. You hang around in a chat channel and make your plans. You're probably more busy with the chat than writing in the thread, but still... you're less likely to lurk. If the mafia is smart, they will have a couple of lurkers, but definitely not the majority so the odds of killing a town lurker is a lot higher on day1.

BKE qualifies for option b). Whether or not he's mafia, I personally don't like people in my game that use words like "scummy" judging people's first post in the game. Noone has posted enough in this game that I could possibly have built a good enough opinion on them, but apparently he can do that.
I'm not even going to address his newbie-theory.

I'm not saying I'm sure about BKE whatsoever, but he's our best option in my book.



This post:
On June 30 2012 10:30 BroodKingEXE wrote:
On June 30 2012 10:21 s0Lstice wrote:
Hello folks. I'll be joining the ranks of the scum hunters once again (5th time in a row!). This is my first large game, so it's going to be an adjustment...but one I'm capable of making. Being that it's friday night I will be scarce, but I'll be active on saturday, and I'm sure I'll have plenty of material to analyze. Stay tuned.


Saying that this is your 5th time in a row being town-aligned has the undercurrent of convincing us you are town in this game, and you dodge posting responsibility by it being a Friday. This is a scummy post to start out with.


s0lstice first post in the thread (after the game started). I still don't see anything fishy there.

At this point I'm even more convinced of mK or probably even you. If I vote for mK, people will call me an obvious bandwagoner. If I vote for you, I'm throwing away my vote, looking probably even more scummy. This is a sitation I haven't been in, yet. Tbh I don't see how to clear myself. People like you seem to have made up your mind on 0 evidence and literally anything I do will make me look worse.

So because you don't see anything fishy, means that someone who sees things differently then you is scum? Welcome to mafia, if you are town you are going to be voting on a LOT of mislynches.

Why am i scum again? because i think you are scum? or is it because I am promoting discussion in the thread and bringing about viable reasoning for lynch candidates


Okay one more post I guess.
I don't understand his reasoning. It just looks like the desperate try to start a bandwagon. That's what looks fishy to me.
Plus the newbie-theory which would just open up another characteristic of mafia to act like.

As I said you're putting words in my mouth. You desperately try to make me look bad without hard evidence. People have called me out earlier and you just join in. No matter what happens tonight, I will remain on people's radar and you solidify that by inventing and implying stuff I never said.


He says Mattchew is putting words in his mouth which I agree with but he doesn't seem to have the balls to call him out. It's like he subtly wants us to believe he's going for Mattchew but in reality there's no actual case nor is there any reasoning. This is definetly consistant with Mafia behavior. Not matter what Mattchew flips he will be able to take the side to look like he was right all the time. For the record I think Mattchew is town but if he flips Mandalor will be able to play it off easy.

Other than that, what has he done really? Nothing. He says BKE is scum but hasn't said anything about how or why since beginning of day 1. He's said multiple times that he doesn't think Mattchew's list is all-town. Which is a pretty derpy thing to say when you consider the actual odds of it being all-town. Even so he doesn't give reasoning why he thinks that way.

Neither of these guys have past games to go by. I'm not going to count Mandalor's games from 3 years ago, all he did was play inactive no matter what role he was. I say we kill casualman first for doing the coagulation thing, but Mandalor is equally attractive.

As for BKE, I still think that he is suspicious. He jumps all over the place and made some very questionable posts in the beginning of the game and lots of people saw this. I would like to kill the above two people more than him right now.

Hyaach, I think he's suspicious and I would be fine with lynching him but I'm going to push for the others before him. Some of the arguements against him I think are unjust and the sudden attention on him seems all too convienent. I'll look into him further as the day goes on.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 04 2012 03:08 GMT
#1157
Easy, I don't think Twelve, ShiaoPi, Adam/maju are scummy at the moment or at least not enough for me to push for them. Adam/maju haven't really posted much so I don't have enough of a read on them. I haven't paid enough attention to grush to get a good enough read. All those people I would like to see more from before making a confident decision on their alignment. If your going to make me pick one I would kill maju at this moment in time.

I was merely posting my thoughts since I said I would and I have been busy for a lot of this time and haven't been posting as much as I would like.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 04 2012 16:29 GMT
#1208
On July 04 2012 18:19 Vivax wrote:
Lynch twelve or katina. I think Shiao has posted enough to be estimated better once the two of them flip.

Katina ignoring so many scummy players to suspect Adam is just ridiculous. I think I've found something to Adam's defense.


I'm not ignoring them, I just don't think that ET or Twelve is Mafia. I admit they are scummy in some way or another but it's not strong enough to lynch them just yet.

On July 04 2012 19:18 ShiaoPi wrote:
Dropping by before going out.

@NSH:
I'll explain my vote on hyaach again. I used the term "aggressive" on BM as in he is throwing around suspicions wildly with not much more than a hunch.
Now to hyaach's aggression, I was only asking him on his opinions/reads and he responds with a straight out "no, don't like you" and when other people also ask him he goes "why should I share a case?". It is just unfathomable to me why he does not want to share with town.
I also defended vivax since I know from experience that he might be an "easy" mislynch (did that already), so at least to me there is enough reason to defend him.

@Katina/Twelve:

Why do you want to lynch the useless troll? Won't give us anything besides flipping a coin on alignment.


Then we have on person narrowed down and can focus elsewhere. Even useless trolls can turn out to be Mafia.

On July 04 2012 22:09 Mandalor wrote:
I got my vote on either Katina or Twelve right now.

Katina pretty much just followed VE's thoughts on Day1, semi defended BM and now made a case of casualman who imo cannot be read and better be ignored for now.

Twelve. As MattChew pointed out earlier, he accused the two most popular lynch candidates without providing a basis for this. Just an hour after mK was modkilled and flipped green, he says how it was "a lurker lynch [he] really didn't agree with". How convenient to post that after the modkill and never mention mK before.


I agree with VE's thoughts, yes. It was D1 and I had a town read on him and he's a good player. So of course I would be inclined to consider what he says and look at the person myself then come up with my conclusion. I semi defended BM because I wanted to see more from him. He's hard to read at first.

I was expressing my thoughts in my recent post. I didn't know that posting on a lurker (along with several others that aren't lurkers was scummy....
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 04 2012 16:41 GMT
#1210
austin gets a cookie for that point against ET. I'm curious to see if ET steps up and either posts his case or explains why he hasn't presented it yet.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 04 2012 16:47 GMT
#1212
What?
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 04 2012 16:50 GMT
#1213
So you want to lynch the players who don't look scummy or are hard to read but let the ones who do look scummy live? And if we kill people who give a lot of information then we gain less from their alignment from those who posted less?Lulz.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 04 2012 16:54 GMT
#1216
So causalman, Kurumi first?
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 04 2012 16:56 GMT
#1217
It's not the logic that mindfucks me (even though that's questionable) but the wording is pretty bad in the way you presented it.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 04 2012 18:54 GMT
#1230
On July 05 2012 03:29 ghost_403 wrote:
I find the gap in him posting his Foxtrotter vote and him expalining his Foxtrotter vote... disconcerting. If missing the deadline really was his main concern there, why wouldn't you immediately post after the flip "Well, shit. I know him IRL, and he posted scummy so I voted for him, lol, my bad"? Instead, he waits for people to make a big deal about it. His actions there were of the "too scummy to be scum" variety, but maybe he's just bad scum?

That and all the stuff Acro said.

##vote twelve

I want to hear why he thinks we should be lynching casualman. His filter doesn't really give a good reason for it.

I want to hear Katina's thoughts on Twelve.

Also, where's Majujuju been? He dropped in, voted 12 and has been gone ever since.


I don't think that Twelve is Mafia. From what I have seem from his filter he explains himself and his actions. He has been concise in explaining his actions. One thing I don't like though is he doesn't seem to be doing a lot of analysis.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 04 2012 19:10 GMT
#1233
I'm looking over his filter and seeing that he has a decent amount of posts. The contents of his posts seems like they are sincere. He gives his opinions and looks like he is putting effort into scum hunting. For now I would say town until I see something that erks me.
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