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On April 22 2012 11:35 Radfield wrote: Ace, do you fear the masons in this game(if they do exist that is)?  Actually before the game setup was finished I PM'd wbg about a possible breaking strategy that existed. It's still powerful but not game breaking. It's a small enough setup that if both Masons would have claimed Day 2 after an outed Cop claim the Mafia would have a hard time winning. With one KP and an outed investigation: 2 Masons (confirmed only to each other, both highly likely Town. 1 death confirms both) 1 claimed Cop A possible medic exists. An innocent/guilty investigation (doesn't really matter which yet). You'd have at least 3 possible innocents and only 1 KP to stop them with a prot role in the background. Town uses it's numbers advantage to just outlast the Scum as the other pool of players contains at least 2 Scum no matter what the original investigation flipped. There were also some other things that made it more brutal: If the Cop investigated either of the Masons and they all claimed, a Scum counterclaim doesn't help. If the Cop finds Scum on the first try then the Masons claiming is almost surely legit as the chances of Scum claiming Mason at that point is suicide. But it depended on the willingness of the Cop to claim, and the competence of the Masons to claim even without the possibility of a Cop claim. | ||
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On April 22 2012 22:49 Forumite wrote: Don´t exaggerate, there´s nothing advanced about this, the only odd thing is you actually going so far as voting yourself, otherwise it looks like standard scumplay, nervous, defensive and fond of counterattacks. Are you still on about prplhz? I don't think anything advanced happened here either, but I'm not sure what constitutes standard scumplay. Last I checked nervousness and being defensive aren't specific only to Scum. Likewise, bad players tend to lash out and counter attack things more than the good ones. On April 22 2012 22:32 MrZentor wrote: I wish everybody would post-Sbrubbles, Phagga, snarfs We've got plenty of time! Anyone down for a policy lynch? Any comments on my post about Masons fast claiming Day 2? Lets get some real discussion going. I'm not going through a 4 page Day 1. | ||
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I'm for Masons claiming on Day 2 as we'd have at least 2 dead players resulting in 2 confirmed Town in an 11 player game. The other reason I'd rather have them claim Day 2 is that if we get a Cop investigation it's going be extremely good for our chances of winning. The only thing that could rock a Mason claim Night 2 would be a potential SK. With the Mafia KP static at one the Town could power through. But an SK running around in addition to Scum would possibly aim for the Masons also. | ||
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On April 23 2012 02:25 MrZentor wrote: Ace, S. Jackson is saying we should have masons claim ASAP, and I am saying we should wait a day or two. Why would you have said two conflicting ideas? I didn't. I said both of your posts were saying what I would, then went on to clarify. I explicitly stated I'm for Masons claiming Day 2. strongandbig: That is really a lot of what ifs you're going through there. I do agree that a framer would mess things up - if we were trying to confirm the Masons. It's more likely that 2 players claiming Masons are Town. If neither one of them died for 2 days I'm sure we'd know whats up. You don't really need the Cop to investigate them. | ||
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As for your encryption plan that makes sense S&B but Samuel brings up a good point: They aren't guaranteed to be in the game. Let's not make ourselves do extra work that probably won't pay off. For now the fact that anyone even lazily reading the thread knows that a Mason claim is very likely by Day 2 is good enough. | ||
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On April 23 2012 05:58 SamuelLJackson wrote: If I understood correctly what strongandbig said he is pretty much against masons claiming at all. He doesn't want masons to claim unless the other counterpart of their mason role is dead, therefore giving us less advantages but also less risks because it's only one confirmed townie but it's just impossible for the 2nd guy to be mafia when the first one already flipped town AND mason. My point is that it's not impossible for both masons to be mafia if they claim before one of them dies but it is REALLY unlikely, therefore I don't think we need to be that cautious and I'd like them to claim before one of them dies if we have masons because that doubles the advantages and with every passing day it's more likely for mafia to claim mason because they might think "well it's already d3, if we don't win by d7 [we need 1 or 2 days according to you to judge wether it's mafia or not and 2 more days to get them lynched] we already lost, so whatever let's claim mason". That being said I really don't think there's masons in here because of what I said earlier and would rather talk about scumreads instead. No responses about what I said about VE? I thought I already addressed the bolded: If both Masons claim the only risk is a potential SK trying to shoot the Masons the same night as Scum. They only have 1 KP. Having 2 confirmed Townies on Day 2 to drop the pool of suspects to 11 is a pretty big deal. Claiming before your partner is dead is very strong. The bolded is in line with what I'm trying to articulate here. Ok @ Forumite but 2 confirmed makes an even bigger difference  | ||
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prphlz isn't around either. | ||
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As for a second candidate I'm pretty sure you know the answer already but just in case you don't: I don't have one. | ||
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Bluelightz what Scum hunting have you done since you're so sure here? On April 23 2012 21:08 Forumite wrote: Zentor can´t be scum, because he´s a good Town player? What if he´s a bad scumplayer too? He hasn´t done that many suspicious things lately, fine, I don´t have much else to complain about, but I can´t agree with those who defend him by essentially saying "only a bad player would make a stupid mistake like that". Whatever, noone cares about Zentor. Maybe the people defending him are Scum. If Zentor is Town it would be an easy way to buddy up to him for later with the "look, I knew you were innocent from Day 1 when I defended you" behavior. The logic is pretty bad and if that is the staple being used then by extension I shouldn't be accused by anyone making that leap. But what we all know that makes too much sense don't we? On April 23 2012 21:26 strongandbig wrote: Also: I'm kind of suspicious of ace's focus on game mechanics day1 given how pissed he was in the ss mafia postgame analysis about how that game was won using mechanics rather than analysis. I would have expected him to focus on analysis this game. SS Mafia wasn't won using game mechanics. It was a bunch of players trying to confirm each other based on the way PMs are worded. That isn't using the game mechanics at all. If you've read any of the oh I don't know 20 or so games I've played here, or the numerous topics about advice and guides I've written I always advocate breaking the game using the mechanics. I speculate on setups in many games I play. Just because I haven't made a bunch of accusations doesn't mean I don't or won't analyze players. On April 23 2012 21:34 prplhz wrote: Hey guys this is a mini where Ace actually does something on day1 (and he actually succeeds pretty well with it, catching a scum). Just so you know he's not always this non-committal with his reads on day1. True. But the amount of content in that game and the obvious nature of the Palmar's scummy behavior that game led to me calling him out. You can also go back and find games where I've just relaxed the first few days giving no Scum reads and showing up later to get the party started. Posting 1 game out of the many I've played as some sort of proof is just ridiculously stupid don't you think? I feel like your trying to force something that isn't there. | ||
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On April 23 2012 22:52 prplhz wrote: @Ace We're approaching the deadline, who do you have in mind for lynch today? Right now it looks like VisceraEyes and MrZentor are the two front runners, do you have any preference among these? (last question was just a suggestion, just talk about whatever scum read you have) I went back to read the interaction between VE and Zentor and it doesn't seem like a big deal to me. I think anyone trying to make that little bit into a lynch is the real culprit here. I'm betting that if we lynched one of them and they flipped Town, the guys leading the lynch could just say "Well, the case was solid" when it wasn't. Now I did skim a bit further down in the thread and notice you said you didn't call VE scum but you are a part of this. However Radfield popped his vote on very early so I think he's just as guilty as you are. Bluelightz wrote So, I have two suspicions, I will vote Radfield as he sheeped, and is being different to his meta. ##Vote: Radfield What is Radfield's meta? I agree with the sheeping though. @strongandbig: I'm somewhat on the same vein of thinking. As I mentioned in my reply to prphlz I think the people trying to lynch Zentor or VE need to be more scrutinized. I'm leaning towards Radfield being the scummy one. I find it hard to believe he really has a way to apply pressure to VE whether the guy was posting or not since he didn't seem to be around himself. If he was indeed around I'm pretty sure instead of waiting for VE to show up he'd have a comment about something in the mean time. VE not being around is just an excuse so that he didn't have to post himself. ToadStern wrote That's really important because the big part has 2 major phrases in there: 1) People saying "I don't think VE would ignore what's going on for so long if he's mafia". I think I just showed that he would if he thinks there's no danger. He even told me to do that last game. Agree anyone? 2) Scumhunting. I don't see that at all. So I really think he's mafia at this point and nothing that was presented is a towntell at all because frankly he DOES that as mafia as well. On the signing matter, Sandrobas and my style really are pretty easy to distinguish howver if you see a post that's not signed just assume it's Sandroba because I'm trying to do that every time and will do an EBWOP if I forget to sign my post. If the stuff that was presented is a null tell then what are you basing your opinion on VE on? That he isn't scum hunting? @VE: Why are you voting for me? Don't answer this anymore I saw your unvote. @phagga: I guess you didn't see Bluelightz play in DFM 2. @Snarfs: Where are the posts that show marvelosity soft defending players? @Snarfs: Re: Radfield - yes! @Toad: I don't know if you know this but using meta to try and wrangle someone's play style is bad. Unless there is a radical change in a specific thing a person always does comparing activity between games is a null tell. It just promotes tunneling. @Radfield: Well you sure made it back in time with a thoughtful little post. But I don't agree with "dont lynch a strong Town player" theory. We lynch people that are shown to have scummy behavior regardless of past performance or reputation. None of us as far as I know, know each others' alignment. So just assuming that stance is ridiculous. I also don't buy that you didn't really want to lynch VE. If VE was at 5 votes and made that same post would you really have showed up to stop the wagon? @VE: Maybe when you were doing whatever is you do you missed the posts where I said there have been many games where I just sit back and chill out on early in the game. If that is a good enough reason to vote for me then maybe you should vote for some other players who have done less than I have. ##vote: Radfield I'm not buying his recanting of the vote on VE. | ||
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On April 24 2012 06:49 SamuelLJackson wrote: you do realize it's only 10 mins left until deadline ace? I just got home what do you want me to do, get myself mod killed? | ||
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