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Solohan50
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Solohan50
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On April 13 2012 05:00 Crossfire99 wrote: /in I have never played at all but it looks fun, especially after looking at those aperture mafia blogs. I know it won't be as crazy as that game, though. Also, is there a lynch day 1? If so, what are you supposed to base your lynch on because nothing has happened yet? I don't see ##Vote: No Lynch as an option in the rules, so I believe there will definitely be a lynch on Day 1. From what I've gathered in my extremely limited experience with Mafia, people get lynched on Day 1 for a variety of reasons, be it lurking, being a giant asshole, etc. That said, I believe it's rare that the Day 1 lynch is based on really good information. | ||
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Solohan50
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Solohan50
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On April 13 2012 07:35 risk.nuke wrote: The mafia chooses a person to perform the nightkill (Note that if the mafia member chosen is targeted by a jailkeeper the kill will fail.) Interesting. Sorry for the newbish questions, my one and only game of Mafia (Newbie VI) had a dedicated hitman role, so this is new to me. Does this mean that the mafia can choose a different hitman each night? | ||
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Solohan50
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tl:dr Post, people! | ||
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Solohan50
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On April 15 2012 18:19 Pure-SC2 wrote: Some interesting points raised regarding Solohan. I do think it's odd that he wouldn't have read the rules (it's clearly stated on the front page). I'd like to see him add more to his very short filter. @Solohan - how do you respond to Nova reading your first post to be scummy? Actually, to me, the rules don't say anything about No Lynches. They do say that voting is mandatory and that you may not abstain, but (in my mind, at least) voting for a No Lynch is not abstaining. Abstaining would be not voting at all, which is far different from voting for a No Lynch. Before the game, I thought that since No Lynch wasn't explicitly stated, that means it wasn't allowed, hence my pre-game post to Crossfire99. After I noticed people talking about No Lynches once the game had started, I became unsure of whether it was allowed or not. Honestly, I'm still not sure if No Lynches are allowed or not. If they're not, then all of discussion about them is a moot point right now and just clogs up the thread. As for my first post of the game, I don't know why Nova would think it's scummy. He doesn't really raise any points for me to counter, he just says "It's scummy". My analysis is based on the Mafia guide that I've been reading which says that lynching Town members generally doesn't give much information. This would be doubly true if we lynch a lurker who hasn't said much, because there's no information about that person. The whole point of the post was to encourage people to post more, so we can avoid having to lynch a lurker. In my eyes, unless we get lucky and the lurker is Mafia, we benefit very little and we're down one more player. | ||
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Solohan50
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After looking through some filters, we definitely have a fair amount of lurkers floating around. Unfortunately, it's hard to tell if they're just busy people or if they're lurking in a scummy way. So far, the list appears to be: Crossfire - 3 posts after the game has started, and all regarding Day 1 lynches. Hasn't contributed anything else though. He did post that he was unsure of how you lynch a person on Day 1 at the beginning of the game. His last two posts, however, had a much more confident tone about who and why we should lynch on Day 1. Is this scum that's playing coy, or did he just read up on the subject? Since it's a newbie game, I'm inclined to give him a pass on the change of tone (for now), and assume that he went out and read a Mafia guide or something. Macheji - Hasn't posted in 2 days. Likely getting modkilled. Not much else to say since he hasn't posted anything. BlueyD - Has 3 posts since the game started. Tacitly supports Nova based on information from previous games. Gets a little caught up on the No Lynch debate, but provides more analysis than most have. TheRavensName - A handful of one-liner posts and a safe vote for the lurker who's likely to get modkilled (though to be fair, the modkill wasn't on the table until recently). Oneplus - He's lurked to a lesser extent. He's come out of hiding in the last day and started becoming more active. Since Mecheji had more votes than oneplus did at the time oneplus reappeared, I'm inclined to say that the lurking wasn't a scumslip. If Oneplus had more votes than Mecheji at the time Oneplus returned, I would be more inclined to say that he started posting due to pressure, but that's not the case. Therapist - Has only really posted about the No Lynch and hasn't posted since. I'd like to see him post more so I can get more of a feel on him. The confusion about the No Lynch is understandable, but it's hard to get a read when that's all he's posted about. ----------------------------------- And then there's Nova. He decried spam and fluff posts at the beginning of the game, but a good portion of his posts have been one liners, such as: On April 16 2012 19:35 Nova_Terra wrote: LOL whaaaat? and what is a FourFace doing in this thread o.o On April 16 2012 19:39 Nova_Terra wrote: FourFace, what N word?! Newbie? Did I? damn. just meant bad. apologies On April 16 2012 21:47 Nova_Terra wrote: Also i love how everyone is jumping on the sick bandwagon. really good play He's also been overly aggressive and defensive, moreso than a Townie should be, even going so far as to say: On April 16 2012 18:09 Nova_Terra wrote: ROFL. Thats fine, dig your own grave. I can't tell if that's a veiled threat or if Nova is just an asshole (or both?). On top of that, his whole argument against me was an argument reminiscient of an old, married couple. I ask what I did wrong, and he responds with "You know what you did wrong!". Hyperbole aside, even after I replied, saying that I didn't know what he found wrong with my post, he continued with his line that he wanted to see what I said first. This seems like he was just trying to waste time with his accusation while not having to bother backing it up. He only started substantiating his argument against me once he had multiple votes on him, some of which stemmed from his accusations of me. This seems like he's being overly defensive and trying to save his own skin once his accusation got him in hot water. Because of this, I'm going to vote for Nova. ##Vote: Nova_Terra | ||
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Solohan50
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Solohan50
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Macheji - Has only one post of note and no real analysis so far. I really need to hear more from him before I can say for sure. I can certainly understand the lurking through Day 1 because of the broken laptop, and he says he posted against his better judgement on Night 1, but did so nonetheless. If the lurking continues through Day 2 and longer, however, then I would find it quite suspicious. For now though, I'll consider it a null read. Therapist - Relatively close to the notes for Macheji, minus computer breakage. Has more posts, but not a whole lot of analysis either. I'll consider it a null read as well, for now, but I will definitely be leaning towards scum if the lurking continues. TheRavensName - His vote switch at the end has me a little concerned. At that point in the game, it made absolutely zero difference in the outcome, but it would allow a player to distance himself from the lynching of a Townie (oneplus). He also didn't seem to back up this vote switch with much besides: On April 18 2012 04:58 TheRavensName wrote: Now as to why I switched, personally I thought Pure made a decent argument. I don't regret anything about oneplus even though he did die, he is not much a loss; similiar to how my death would be. I do not reget voting Oneplus, at the time it seemed like the correct decision based on what people were bringing up and what others were reading into the situations. Pures argument about slips and the like is what convinced me to swap sides. Combine that with a fair amount of posts, but little analysis, and I'm leaning towards either scum or just bad gameplay. Lorant - This is one that confuses me a bit. Between the FourFace posts and everything else, this took me awhile to sift through. He has posted a couple of good analysis posts and also calls for votes based more on evidence, rather than minor things. On the other hand, the Crossfire vote is strange and had absolutely zero effect, which would be a good place to hide if you're scum that doesn't want to get caught up in a heated vote. There's also the crazy idea about have 4-man counsel, which I feel is really bad for Town. I find it especially odd because the idea of having a leadership counsel follows this post that says leaders are bad: On April 16 2012 21:16 Lorant wrote: It is natural to consider someone who posts a lot to be your leader. I have a general advice to all the players, don't do that. Being able to juggle with ideas in multiplayer is a more valid qualification than writing everything you can think of right away in order to satisfy your itchy fingers. + Show Spoiler + If you feel like the latter kind of person you should leave this thread neat and go typerace instead. typeracer I honestly can't tell if these contradictions are a ploy to distance himself from Nova/Lazer, if it's an elaborate scum trap, or if it's just the rantings of a delusional FourFace townie. My read on this is...confused. | ||
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Solohan50
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On April 18 2012 22:36 Pure-SC2 wrote: Three people have now posted suspicions on Solohan. Solohan, what do you have to say towards the suspicions against you? Well, the biggest complaint seems to be that I don't post enough, which I definitely understand. Unfortunately, with the way this game is laid out, I don't really have a chance to get in on the action when everyone else is online. I live in California, with the majority of players being in Europe. That puts almost everyone at least 5 or 6 hours ahead of me (if not more; I'm not terribly good with what time zones are where), meaning that most people are posting and getting really active while I'm asleep or at work. I occasionally have the opportunity to post from work, like now, but it's not guaranteed that I have that opportunity everyday. I've been trying to post when I get home from work and give as much analysis as I can, but I can't help it if people don't feel that's active enough. That said, I did find at least thing weird, which is Daymor's accusation of me in this post: On April 18 2012 11:53 Daymor wrote: We have a serious lurker problem. The following people need to considerably step up their level of contributions and help town out; Lurking particularly badly - Macheji - Solohan50 Lurking but posting enough to get by - Therapist - TheRavensName Contributing, but want more - BlueyD - Lorant Note my position in relation to Therapist and TheRavensName on this list. While, numerically, I may not have as many posts as Therapist and TheRavensName, both have posted very little in the way of analysis (Therapist moreso than Raven). I feel like my analysis has contributed more than either of these players. Despite that, I'm said to be lurking particularly badly, while both of them are posting enough to get by. I don't really know what to think of this yet, but I definitely find it weird. I won't be home for another 5 hours or so, but I'll look through some more filters and see if I can come up with some more analysis tonight. | ||
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Solohan50
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1. If you read my posts closely, I never said that I was for a No Lynch; people seem to assume I did, but I did not say I wanted a No Lynch. My first post says that lynching a lurker isn't a bad idea, but I would prefer if people talked and we lynched someone we had more info on. I was trying to avoid a situation like what happened with OnePlus. My second post was simply a quick message trying to get people to stop talking about No Lynch, or to at least find out if it was an option before we devoted all of Day 1 to it (Note the part "If it's not, then it's a moot point). I reiterate this thought in the third post, saying that all of the talk about No Lynches were clogging up the thread, and the topic would especially be clogging up the thread if No Lynches aren't allowed (which they weren't). 2. As I said in an earlier post, I can't always post while I'm at work, and I was lucky that I was able to get my vote post in while I was there. The deadline for voting is 4pm for me, which is when I get out of work, followed by an hour drive home. I'm not always able to post at work, which is why the majority of my posts happen around this time. You're welcome to think my timing is nefarious if you'd like though. 3. At this point, I haven't decided if my case for Nova is strong enough to post. A lot has happened since the vote and Nova has toned down his spam, as well as provided some defense that I still need to read though. Honestly, by the time I got through Lorant's filter for my last post and tried to figure out what sort of insanity was going on there, there was no way I could read through Nova's 7 pages of posts. On to my reads: Pure-SC2 - I'm leaning Town on Pure. His posts have all been on-topic and well thought out. He is by far the biggest asset we have, with consistent analysis and activity. Frankly, if Pure is mafia, I think we're completely fucked this game. Lorant - His play continues to baffle me, with his vote-change from Nova to Pure-SC2 being the latest thing. His posts don't seem to accomplish much besides wreak chaos and make reads that much harder. Between the council thing, this latest vote-switch, the FourFace stuff, and also bringing back all the talk of No Lynch, I'm leaning towards scum. TheRavensName - I find it very strange that he brings up a case against me that involves the No Lynch at roughly the same time Lorant does. While it could be a coincidence, I believe this might be a concerted effort to derail the thread and start talking about No Lynch some more. It would be an effective way to divert attention, as well as bog down the thread with more meaningless discussion. I'm leaning towards scum. Nova - After reading through his massive filter (Side note - 7 pages? Really?), I'm willing to rescind my scum vote for now. While he was ridiculously spammy on Day 1, he has since toned it down a bit since Day 1 and has been causing less havoc in the thread. He also incited a lot of discussion on Day 1, some of which was good and some of which was bad. At this point, unless he does something else scummy, I'm leaning towards that idea that he's a Townie with ADD; one who can't follow the most basic rule in the Newbie Mafia Guide, which says "You don't need to post every thought you have". His activity level is too high for all but the ballsiest mafia players, and I think he's done a decent job of reigning in the spam and giving decent analysis. Lazer - As others have noted, I find it strange that Lazer voted for Oneplus even though Lazer said he believe Oneplus was Townie. The way he "teamed" up with Nova, while contributing very little to the case against me, as well as the fact that he's been very lurky since the end of Day 1 is also strange. By themselves, I wouldn't be too worried about it. His actions to the end of Day 1 were weird, but not overly alarming. What I find weird is his return post, which has been his only real post since the end of Day 1. He claims that he has been acting scummy but it is due to being inexperienced, which I can buy, since this is a newbie game. After that though, his only reads are on Mecheji, Therapist, and Nova, and only one of those reads is really significant. The only real analysis post is towards Mecheji. The problem is, the analysis doesn't make much sense to me. Here's what Lazer posted: On April 19 2012 04:59 Lazermonkey wrote: Now as for my own scumreads, here we go: Macheji - started the game out as a lurker, has a couple of posts which doesn't contribute at all(which doesn't tell to much because it was just a few hours into the game). Then he doesn't say anything for a long time. Obviously this was due to his computer, as a don't really think you would lurk so hardcore that you are basically minutes from being replaced. He then puts his vote on Nova, which doesn't have an impact at all as it made the vote go from 6-3 to 6-4. His resoning behind this vote was that he didn't like the way Nova pressured with his votes in the early game, found in this post:+ Show Spoiler + On April 17 2012 09:46 Macheji wrote: Fine, i'll post my reasons for the vote. Didn't really want to because the night is comming and the last time i accused somebody at the start of the night i got killed. Here is what i wrote earlier but wanted to keep it to myself until the end of the night I'll catch up on everything and start making cases. I voted for Terra because in my opionion he seems to be trying to hard. The vote/unvote thing bothered me from the start. The matter of fact is that in the beggining it had a positive effect, but in time that kind of posts only start turning people against eachother. I noticed that at a point almost everybody was accusing eachother for various reasons and the conversation went nowhere. More than this people started forming small groups. And i find this a very unhealthy behavior town-wise. In my opinion this was all caused by Nova_Terra. I don't know if it was on purpose or not, but the effect was negative nonetheless. More than this, i saw a post in wich he said ( correct me if i'm wrong here, i went thru everything kinda fast ), that in the last game he got killed for beeing to silent as a mafia. Now his behavior is not closer to normal, but it's the exact same opposite. I think he got mafia again and he tries to act compl different expecting a tottaly different reaction from the people. From what i've noticed, he is not really scum-hunting, he is not thinking on building a case and going after someone that he really belives is mafia, but rather he goes after everybody managing to only create dubt against everybody. Now, that was the reasoning behind my vote. But now that i've read your case-post i am alot more sure of my vote. If i don't die tonight, i am voting for him again. Some strange things are found in this post such as: Now, that was the reasoning behind my vote. But now that i've read your case-post i am alot more sure of my vote. If i don't die tonight, i am voting for him again. Not sure what to think about this. "if I don't die tonight" could be a possible scumslip. And the fact that he was so willing to vote against Nova again seems strange, why would you decide who to vote for now, when it is almost 72h before next lynch? Another pearl I found in this post was this Small line: More than this, i saw a post in wich he said ( correct me if i'm wrong here, i went thru everything kinda fast ), that in the last game he got killed for beeing to silent as a mafia. Very instresting post. Nova even himself claimed that he is spamming alot as mafia, which is easily confirmed if you check his post history. I guess It's possible that he actually was going through everything very fast and missed this. But another possibility is that this post was a way of trying to spread false rumors about Nova with the possibilty of falling back by saying: "Oh, I must have missread that". I don't really think that "If I don't die tonight" is a scumslip; I think it's pretty clear he's posting in case he gets hit by the mafia. Also, on the second part, I would assume that Mecheji just misread. I would be willing to give the second claim more credence if there was more analysis, but that's all there is. All in all, it seems like a really weak case, especially for it being the only case that Lazer has posted since Day 1. I believe his attack on Mecheji might be an OMGUS reaction to being accused by Mecheji. Lazer also specifically states he is not doing it because of Mecheji's attack, but I feel that debating whether that's true or not is WIFOM. I believe that Lazer may have chosen to reply to Mecheji's post in an attempt to defend himself, while allowing him to not have to go head-to-head with Pure-SC2, who is also forming a scumread on Lazer. | ||
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Solohan50
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Solohan50
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On April 21 2012 23:45 BlueyD wrote: - I planned to claim jailkeeper (had a breadcrumb) but learned afterwards that people who get roleblocked (and, I imagine, those who get jailkept) apparently get PMed "you got roleblocked!" even if that had no impact on the outcome. Question to veterans: Is this normal procedure? I'd like to know this as well. Since Lorant popped green, there's no way he should've known that he was roleblocked. | ||
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