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On March 09 2012 15:36 GreYMisT wrote: Voting rules: [...] 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses). 6.This game uses Extended Majority Lynch. That is, at the deadline the player with a majority of votes is lynched (majority = 1/2 the remaining players, rounded down + 1), if no one has a majority then no lynch will take place. [...] A Paradox to kill of Wheatley? | ||
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For all those who wonder if the Balrog role ever appeared in another Mafia game, it was used in a TL IRC Mafia game hosted by igrok. You can find the transcript in the Mafia 2012 Awards Thread. Radfield was a Survivor Balrog with the following role description: 03:58:41<+IGROK> SURVIVOR BALROG YOU ARE SURVIVOR, GANDALF MUST BE DEAD, HAVING THE RING MAKES YOU BULLETPROOF concerning the Wheatley role: On March 18 2012 00:55 ghost_403 wrote: Just my thoughts on the Wheatly role: I'm not ever going to trust Wheatly. IIRC, Wheatly screws over Chell in Portal 2 by taking control of Aperture, despite his best intentions. I can see this going the same way. Wheatly begins the game by helping the town, then gets a new wincon where he has to kill us all or something. I would for this very reason propose that whoever gets Wheatley gets lynched or vigged on D2 or 3. This way we should be able to prevent Wheatley to do real damage to town. I'm gonna read through some filters again and post some more later. | ||
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On March 18 2012 07:31 Drazerk wrote: ##Vote: GLaDOS Well I think I can now say that because of what item he gave me kenpachi is 100% town and killing glados is the best action the town can do today. You are aware that killing GLaDOS might put Wheatley into her place? At least if we keep close to the game lore. | ||
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On March 18 2012 07:46 Blazinghand wrote: + Show Spoiler + So I was hoping someone else would catch this, but I don't like zelblade's post here: Taking a look at his filters from his previous games SNMMVII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=311554&user=240873¤tpage=All Numerous minor typos, no EBWOPS used. NMMIV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=314813&user=240873¤tpage=All Numerous minor typos, 2 EBWOPS used, but to add additional info to posts, never to correct errors with apostrophes and the like. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=314813&user=240873¤tpage=All In fact, changing "link" to "links" doesn't even alter the information presented in the post-- it's just a typo, the kind of which you regularly overlook. It adds no information to the post. Now wait a second, blzinghand, this all seems pretty inconsequential to me. Yeah, whatever, zelblade did an out-of-character EBWOP that looked pretty strange. But that's not scum behavior at all... like why would you even make a post like that, lol. noob. you sound like a bronze leaguer to me My god, why are you so BM? Stfu for a moment and listen to my explanation. Your question is legitimate, though, so I'll address it. We know there are other Sleeper agents in this game. It's possible that this unnecessary, out-of-character EBWOP was an attempt by zelblade to communicate his identity to the other cell agents. I was hoping someone else would notice this, but apparently nobody did, because nobody else is a paranoid motherfucker like I am. I'd like to hear your opinions though-- do I have a leg to stand on when I ##vote: Zelblade ? I think you do have a leg to stand on, specially as he made several other types which were more severe and were not EBWOPed. On March 17 2012 22:58 zelblade wrote: Maybe we threaten him with the lynch is he randomly fires again? On March 17 2012 22:53 zelblade wrote: Wait a sec just looked at LOTR... wasnt barlog a fakeclaim by a scum player? On March 17 2012 21:10 zelblade wrote: Care to claim your previous and current wincon than? I dont like MG's and Grackoni's VT claims, since this is a highly themed setup and its quite possible that VT doesnt exsist the last two are even from the very same post where he EBWOPed the "link" typo. Why fix only the "link" one and not the other two? It might be a bit of a stretch, and I don't think it justifies a lynch already, but it's noteworthy. | ||
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On March 18 2012 08:14 Velinath wrote: The one thing that stands out is that "link" to "links" is the only one of those typos that actually changed the content of the sentence (which is something that was brought up on the last page). Does that mean anything? No idea, but it should be noted anyway. Ok, perhaps my english just sucks (third language), but how exactly does it change the content? for me it was obvious on the first read that he missed an s. | ||
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##Vote Dirk Hardpec We need to keep an eye on zelblade. His postings do not reflect the same boldness he had in other games. He has only been talking about Drazerk and asking questions to Drazerk. I agree with others that Drazerk might be a lynch candidate, but not on day 1. It's hard to tell what is true and what not about his claims, and I certainly do not believe everything he wrote. For the election, Blazinghand is a valid candidate, Velinath might be as well. However, I still feel we will have the need to get rid of Wheatley somewhere later on, so I'm not sure if I want to send a competent townie on the post. As someone else mentioned, perhaps vote one of the lesser players for that role. I will therefore hold my election vote back for the moment. | ||
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On March 18 2012 09:18 Blazinghand wrote: Ah yes you're right an incompetent guy is the right guy to give power to I just want to avoid that we are giving one of the better players this role and one day later we have to vigi him because he suddenly turns against town. there are people in here trying to kill GLaDOS. Have you played the game? After GLaDOS gets put in a potato, Wheatley runs the show, and it's not a good thing. That's what I'm afraid of. | ||
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On March 18 2012 09:29 Blazinghand wrote: Fair enough. I still consider the chief goal to avoid electing a power role to Wheatley. We want someone as (rule-wise) worthless as possible, since if he turns, we won't lose hard assets for the town. I also thing we want someone who's definitely town. So... me. Another thought (and I'm not sure this will work) is that we could just never kill GLaDOS, and Wheatley won't turn evil? that should work too, as long as GLaDOS is not preventing a town win. I'm off to bed now. I'll put my election vote out tomorrow after thinking some more about it. | ||
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On March 19 2012 04:02 kitaman27 wrote: Are you accusing me of being a lurker? I'm carefully observing the thread and posting when its beneficial to me? Why was it beneficial for you to wait so long with posting? A lot of your quotes were made quite some time ago. And how were we supposed to know that you were "carefully observing the thread" and not lurking? | ||
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##Unvote: Dirk Hardpec ##Vote: Drazerk Also, going through the Filters again, blzinghand looks more town to me than Velinath. he is much sexier and handsome than Velinath, so he must be town. I'd rather errect blzinghand. ##Elect: blzinghand On March 19 2012 05:10 gonzaw wrote: I have 2 pages of filter; if you can't find the "decent points" it's your own fault. I'm making all the effort I can to make my points clear and easy to read, I'm not Blazinghand from Purgatory Mafia, so please stop this crap Lol, you might have only 2 pages of filter, but each of your post is at least 3 times more than the average post size in this thread. And many are formatted horribly. Really, it's a pain in the ass to read your posts, and I've already skipped several for the time being. On March 19 2012 05:24 Nisani201 wrote: also I find it weird that I haven't been on anyone's lurker lists. Am I really that good at flying under the radar? O.o Do you actually read the thread? On March 19 2012 06:15 kitaman27 wrote: Hmm? Not saying it was beneficial. I wasn't home all day with 6 hours of travel, St. Patricks Day and a dead harddrive. Just saying I'm not lurking  yeah, sorry, my reading comprehension failed. Forget I asked. I was on the road today for more hours than the day has (or at least it feels like that), and I'm tired as hell. I'm off to bed. | ||
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On March 19 2012 06:42 gonzaw wrote: Huh? *sigh* I won't discuss this with you if that's what you think. I hope other players think otherwise. I would advise you not to "skip" any of my posts. What if I'm scum? Will you just let me off the hook as easily as that? LOL You're not mafia. Also, don't worry, I will read through your filter again later on. On March 19 2012 06:42 gonzaw wrote: phagga, you've been keeping your attention to a small pool of players, and a pool of players everybody else has kept their attention on as well. So what do you think about the other players? What do you think about Rayzor, Lanaia, Zephird, Midnight, etc, etc ,etc? What you don't seem to understand is that not everyone has the same amount of time available to participate in this game. I have a family with 2 kids which limits my time drastically, especially on weekends. In a game like this where the thread fills up so fast it is already hard enough for me to keep up. So when I'm gonna analyse someone or something, I do it in my order on the people that I want to, and I'm not gonna make any errand runs for other players until I have the feeling it really helps us all. Also, I don't give out town reads unless absolutely necessary. On March 19 2012 12:21 gonzaw wrote: @Grack: Is this a joke then? Are you fake-claiming for shit and giggles? Seriously, for you being so active in the thread you clearly misread this hard. It was very obvious that this was a joke. Generally, I like that you try to keep everyone active. If you read through the newbie minis I've played (Newb Mini IV, SNMMVIII), you know that I take a hard stance on lurkers. But you will also see that I'm never one of those with the big filters, because I only speak up when I think I have something relevant to say or I need to explain my actions (like now). On March 19 2012 13:35 gonzaw wrote: There's a very simple way to determine if Drazerk lied or not about giving his items to someone else (Cell Leader or not) now that I think about it: -If you got the "Portal Gun", "Maia Gun", or "Angry Core" once Drazerk was lynched, then claim you got it. If this was the case, then Drazerk was indeed bullshiting about that and we can just forget about it. If nobody claims, then perhaps he did give his items to someone else, but it's also likely the items went to scum/3rd party. The point is that Drazerk's role made his items obsolete, so there's no harm in claiming you got them, right? (Unless I'm missing something). I think claminig items is not a good move at this point. As Drazerk's role showed there are 3rd parties and perhaps even scum out there that are dayvigs, it will be easy for them to get certain items if they need them. So I'd rather if people hold back with their item claims for now. | ||
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On March 19 2012 09:15 willz22912 wrote: Regarding you Gonzaw, do you not fear for your life by being the most active poster? If you keep asking everyone questions and you are personally keeping track of everyone, why wouldn't you be the first one killed this night? Do you think scum have already found out blue roles, I don't think so. If you are town, you should back off and not present yourself as a target with your activity. If you are scum, you would just keep posting because you know you won't be a target. Do you have any response to this logic? This does not make any sense. You imply that he is an asset to town, then say he should stop contributing because if he keeps contributing that makes him mafia? Wasn't it supposed to be the other way round? Also, Is it not in the interest of town that greenies present themself as possible night targets to avoid that the blues get hit? Are you rolefishing? | ||
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On March 20 2012 01:27 gonzaw wrote: Here, I'll make you a list of all the players lurking: Currently lurking: -Mr Wiggles -Kitaman27 -Ghost_403 -Blazinghand -sinani -Lanaia -Paperscraps -Nisani201 -Adam4167 -Cwave -Cyber_Cheese -RayzorFlash (when he wasn't responding to my case) -MidnightGladius -Maverick32x Players that lurked until few moments ago: -Zephird -zelblade -blubdavid -Bluelightz -Dirk Hardpec So yeah, I'd say I'm 99% sure many scum are lurking. What is your definition of lurking, please? There are people on this list that have over 2 filter pages worth of ingame posts (and not only filler) and just were not active in the last 18 hours. I do agree with a huge part of the list though. On March 19 2012 03:00 blubbdavid wrote: Because I am town. Same as I was in Kaller. Rule of thumb: blubbdavid posts little or only crap = blubbdavid is town then why should town keep you around if you aren't of any use and we can never be sure if you are not scum? Better safe then sorry I say, a good target for a vig. | ||
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On March 20 2012 10:20 MidnightGladius wrote: Ugh, I hate the janitor effect :/. The 3 "burned to death" deaths have a detail that seems unlikely to be coincidental: the three players are right next to each other on the player list. This sounds exactly like the RPG item described in the original "Blackaller Market," which leads me to a few conclusions: - "burned to death" is probably not the mafia kill flavor - The original target was Cyber_Cheese. Cwave and RayzorFlash were collateral damage - The mafia killed one of gonzaw, Blazinghand, or Foolishness. As gonzaw was obviously killed by KALTHAZAR, the mafia must have killed one of BH or Foolishness, and the other was more likely hit by 3rd party or a 2nd mafia KP than a town-aligned vigilante. Ultimately, I highly doubt that mafia has 3 KP right now. I don't want to kill GlaDOS. I think doing so would be an excruciatingly bad idea. I'm still not impressed with ghost's posting since after I noted him as lurking. He clearly didn't read properly about Kenpachi's campaign to kill GlaDOS, and he's only been making some general comments, without making any direct scum reads. That offer still stands, by the way. I like this post very much. This probably means there were 4 Kp at work at night (with 1KP having collateral damage), and at least 1 of them (RIIIIIIIIIIFT) was probably one shot (3rd Party, and Drazerk was one-shot as well). So for the next nights, the KP would probably be around 2 to 3 (sleeper cell, Mafia, and perhaps another 3rd party or an item). Off to more important stuff: While I do agree that Dirk Harpec makes a good lynch target, I would like to point out the behaviour of two other people as well. ghost_403: When I last played with him (and he was town) he was quite aggressiv. He constantly called out lurkers, pointing out logical flaws and putting pressure on people, see here In this game, there is nothing of that. Instead: On March 18 2012 01:13 ghost_403 wrote: Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party. ##elect velinath because he seems to understand this. And then he goes on for the rest of the day to talk about Drazerk, which he just wrote that it won't help us. After the lynch, the only notable post is this one where he defends himself and shortly talks about Dirk (like everyone else does). On March 20 2012 05:59 ghost_403 wrote: A quick note for Nisani and Maverick: There was no good reason for me to post on why I though Dirk was scummy when I got back. When I returned to the thread, Draz had gone off the deepend, and needed to go IMO. When Draz was a neutral third party, I didn't see the point in offing him; he's just going to sit around and ignore us for the most part. Then, he tells us that he's starting to help the sleeper cell. That's when he changed from neutral to dangerous, and that's why I switched a vote. As far as my thoughts on Dirk: not impressed, but not ready to lynch him. A few of his posts have been aggressive and poorly thought out. For example, this one, where he says we should lynch anyone who was not immediately on board the Draz lynch. That's terrible play for a lot of reasons. Right now, I'm leaning stupid aggressive townie as opposed to scum, but I'm willing to change my positions if he does something really stupid. If he got vig'd, I'd say no big loss. I get the feeling that he is trying to stay away from discussions, and I don't like that. blubbdavid You have not reacted at all to my comment that you would make a good vigshot, why not? You are still only posting one liners, and as you write yourself, most is uninformed crap that is either plain wrong (which you would know if you payed attention in the thread) or irrelevant. Why should town keep you around? | ||
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@Maverick On March 21 2012 11:08 Maverick32x wrote: I may be setting myself up here.. but my role PM talks about Glados as someone I should get rid of... kind of like a background story... not a 'main objective'....is it possible that people like Paperscraps who are making a big deal out of this.... are people who didn't get similar PM's? (ie: scum/3rd party?) Are you sure you are reading it correctly? I actually understood some flavor wrong in my Role PM, which could have had an interesting effect on my voting patterns. However, after asking back to GreyMist, he explained that it was just flavor. So perhaps you want to make sure with the hosts you understood it right. | ||
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When I compare it with this game he lacks that kind of effort. The "Analysis" on Kenpachi is just tons of quotes. Most of his posts are questions and one-liners that don't really add anything to the game. His list is hurried. His activity as gone back drastically since the 18th. Also, Both his case on kenpachi and the list just look as if they were made to please town. He jumps target on D1 saying that Drazerk is the best lynch, then votes Sinani because he lurked, not explaining why Drazerk should not be dangerous anymore. Later he writes that Drazerk is a good lynch. It is also unclear why he picked Sinani from all the lurkers. There were so many on D1, he never really explained why he wanted him. All this leads me to believe that he is scum. ##Vote: Bluelightz | ||
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On March 22 2012 01:58 Jayjay54 wrote: well, if you look through his filter, it is all cotton candy. He literally posts no single read. It's fluff. then again, I learned he is a new player... memmtoss, david, mav and shrubbles too I think. This doesn't make things easier... This is at least ghosts third game, I was in another two games with him were we both lived pretty long (D4 at least). All I can say is that this reaction On March 21 2012 06:56 ghost_403 wrote: @phagga - You posted earlier that I've been inactive this game compared to previous, and you're right. I'm trying to do a better job at scum hunting this game. If you look back at the two games I've played previous, the players I've argued with the most both turned out to be town. If I see someone behaving scummy, I won't hesitate to call them out, but otherwise I'm going to resign myself to taking it easy and making sure that the town doesn't do something stupid. Seemed to work well finding sloosh in the last game, hoping for a repeat performance. Now to hunt some scum. is not the townGhost_403 from last game, where he was a vigi. Also, notice the last sentence. All that followed were five short posts that offer no insight on who he thinks is scum. I may be biased, as we are both no vets in this game and have played together in different constellations. Nevertheless, I don't like his play in this game. | ||
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On March 22 2012 02:25 Jayjay54 wrote: See? This is the foolishness case. It is wrong! He was the second player after me to vote Drazek. He didn't join the bandwagon. He started it with me. That post at that time was completely appropriate. He voted Draz for the right reasons way earlier than most of you guys. I don't know why everyone thinks that this post didn't add anything... This is what happens when you take posts out of context. Also palmar: it's sad that I have to defend you here, because you don't care. He did? On March 18 2012 00:56 Dirk Hardpec wrote: + Show Spoiler + No matter how much I think about it, Drazerk's successful shooting says nothing about his alignment. It is a reasonable approach for almost every faction except for town, and town is the faction most prone to take unreasonable approaches to the game. What I find more interesting is the fact that he claims to be third party. No matter how you look at it, the only faction I can possibly think of benefitting from being thought of as third party is mafia. It is strictly inefficient for town to be thought of as third party as that will lead to an eventual lynch of that person, you cannot go into situation where one lynch will lose the game carrying a claimed third party on your back. This is however perfectly acceptable for someone who just wants to extend his life cycle for a while, ie: mafia. I guess it is also possible that he is indeed a third party and is trying to make an alliance with us, but it seems very unlikely as most third parties tend to be at severe disadvantage when they get figured out. In sense, it makes no sense from a balance standpoint to create a third party in a game, and then make it possible for us to leave that third party alive, might as well be town then. This is why I don't believe his claim, I think Drazerk is scum and I want to lynch him. I guess I can't say I disbelieve his role claim as the flavor fits, however I do disbelieve his alignment claim. ##Vote Drazerk He voted Drazerk because he thought that Drazerk was scum and that his 3rd party claim was wrong. Barely anyone shared that train of though as far as I remember and it turned out to be wrong. Perhaps he already recognised the increasing antitown behaviour of Drazek (in hindsight, it was clearly noticeable at this point), but if so, he did not really mention it in his post. However, I do give him credit that he came up with an original thought and not just bandwagoned blindly. | ||
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